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Records for "No Pagados" and some others.

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Jose Roman:
 
 
What you are suggesting is exactly what I did for
the town of San Juan de Guadalupe, Durango.  I had been trying to get info
from there for about  25 years and the priests would not relent.  The
registro civil was okay but that was it. I found out that the LDS church would
pay for the microfilming and I started campaigning.  I was fortunate to
meet the president of the Sociedad Genealogica del Norte de Mexico (Benicio
Sanchez). I told  him my situation and he started campaigning 
with both the San Juan  de Guadalupe and the registro civil  to obtain permission to film the
records. They were filmed about 2 and a half years ago and are now in the LDS
library.  I really wanted them filmed because a big chunk of my family
settled there over 200 years ago. 
 
It took me about five years of campaigning and
educating the priests about what microfilming is and  selling the idea of
preservation. I had to hard sell the fact that the Mormon Church would pay
for
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CALAVERA POEMS

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Yolanda Bobby Perez wrote:

Gracias Irma,  that was my
first calavera ever.  My husband says that one must be inspired when
writing one and that the person it's about must be your guide.  Mi
suegra, que en paz descanse, wrote one for each of her children and
they treasure them.  Give it a try and you might surprise yourself.   
I did!
Yolanda Medina Perez

no digas mas, me vas hacer llorar! Gracias Yolanda.






Irma GomezLucero wrote:
Excellent Calavera.  How cool is
that. 
Muy bien dicho!
Irma


From:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joseph Puentes

Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:39 AM

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [ranchos] CALAVERA POEMS


forgive me. . .I meant to reply the same day but decided to
wait and

then promptly forgot.



wow! you make me feel like a god. . .how many can say they've had poety


written for them. I'm sure
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Records for "No Pagados" and some others.

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Oigalo, Arturo! buen idea Jose Roman!



Arturo if you find a new source of records in Colotlan and/or
Totatiche, let's see if the LDS library would consider sending a crew.
In fact if you let them know ahead of time that you are making the trip
they might give you "tips" on how to prepare for a "future"
microfilming trip. I think this along with your call for volunteers for
the Colotlan Census is something that could very much benefit future
genealogist. you could make a difference!



Along that lines I've been thinking of making a call for volunteers,
but am not ready yet. My project is the Notario records of Guadalajara.
I was thinking that if 25 people volunteered to look at 1 or 2 films a
year that we could start giving the Nortario records a much better
index than is currently available. There is real "gold" in those
records for many and possibly for many of us, but the way they are
catalogued its like looking for a needle in a haystack. I'm not sure
but if we took one film and
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Records for "No Pagados" and some others.

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Hi:
 
When a new record or group of records is found in the source original (manuscripts), and it is not preserved in other media, I think that we should contribute to preserve them. One way to do this is write a notice to the "microfilm production project of the Mormon Church", because they has demonstrated that they can resolve this hard labor with their economic resources; the Mexican government generally not pay attention to this work because for the cost that they can't like to finance.
 
Is only a idea!
 
JRGL.
Mexico City.

Joseph Puentes  wrote:

Great Stories Elvira. . .i didn't know about the "No Pago" records but just had a feeling that there were and continue to be an assortment of records in each parish that have not been microfilmed and have not been made available to the general public. Your stories show this is true. Thanks for sharing and keep your accounts coming.

If you ever want to get some of your families oral history recorded and up on my podcast let me know. This

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CALAVERA POEMS

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Gracias Irma,  that was my first calavera ever.  My husband says that one must be inspired when writing one and that the person it's about must be your guide.  Mi suegra, que en paz descanse, wrote one for each of her children and they treasure them.  Give it a try and you might surprise yourself.    I did!
Yolanda Medina Perez 

Irma GomezLucero wrote:
Excellent Calavera.  How cool is that. 
Muy bien dicho!
Irma


From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Puentes
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:39 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] CALAVERA POEMS

forgive me. . .I meant to reply the same day but decided to wait and
then promptly forgot.

wow! you make me feel like a god. . .how many can say they've had poety
written for them. I'm sure this will make my wife jealous, I can wait to
tell her!

Thank you Yolanda, what a nice thought and yes I do believe I'm getting
help from my primos, tios, tias, etc.

muchisimas

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[Fwd: Mariano Gonzalez-Leal Speech]

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thanks Emilie for this contribution:



-------- Original Message --------

Subject: Mariano Gonzalez-Leal Speech
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 14:43:20 -0800
From: Emilie Garcia
To: makas@...




Hi, Joseph,
 
I don't know if we can attach files to send to the group in an
e-mail, so I am sending the attached file to you to see if you think it
is appropriate for the group.  It is a speech made in 1998 by Mariano
Gonzalez-Leal to the II Encuentro Internacional Oratorio de San Felipe
Neri Mexico 1998.  I have seen this author mentioned by the group so I
started browsing the internet to see where I could find his books, and
I found this.  Apparently he was speaking to a group of priests, and he
was appealing to them to help us in our role in the third millenium.
The speech touched on some of what some of us have been exclaiming
about:  that the average Anglo here is so
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CALAVERA POEMS

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Excellent Calavera.  How cool is that. 
Muy bien dicho!
Irma


From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
Puentes
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:39 AM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] CALAVERA
POEMS

forgive me. . .I meant to reply the same day but decided to wait
and
then promptly forgot.

wow! you make me feel like a god. . .how
many can say they've had poety
written for them. I'm sure this will make my
wife jealous, I can wait to
tell her!

Thank you Yolanda, what a nice
thought and yes I do believe I'm getting
help from my primos, tios, tias,
etc.

muchisimas,

joseph


Yolanda Medina-Perez
wrote:

>A tradition in Mexico is the writing of a CALAVERA for

>friends,family, public personalities and politicians.  Calaveras
are
>meant to be funny, they are not meant as eulogies, but are mild

>teasing.  There's usually some sort of rhyme, and they can be

>several lines to several stanzas in length.  They can also be poems

>of

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Zaldívar surname from Zacatecas.

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Hi, there! I am descended from the Zaldivars you've mentioned below. However, my PROVEN descent from them does not carry forward the Zaldivar surname. My great-grandmother was Francisca Saldivar, d/o Geronimo Saldivar and Petra Gomez; Geronimo Saldivar was the s/o Narciso Saldivar and Maria Antonia Morillo. (It's through Maria Antonia's mother, Juliana del Carmen Villavicencio that my family descends from the Zaldivars mentioned in your note to me.) Narciso was the s/o of Juan Josef Zesario Saldivar and Antonia Rossalia de Llamas; and Juan was the s/o Joseph Saldivar b. around 1700 in Zacatecas and his second wife Maria de la Luz Ortis. Joseph's my Zaldivar brick wall. I don't know anything more about him other than he had sons with his first wife. Sincerely, Marge Vallazza:)



On Nov 8, 2005, at 9:36 AM, José Román González López wrote:


Hi Margarita:

 

In the Coahuila-Nuevo Leon area, there are multiples families that have as your ancestors the "Zaldívar" from Zacatecas. In my

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