No. I like what we're doing. Sorry you're feeling overwhelmed, dear Joseph. Marge:)



On Nov 3, 2005, at 6:11 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

I grow weary.



I can't go any more than how I'm going.



If we were to get a few moderators to handle all the added traffic and

keep things orderly including dealing with Data Miners I might consider

opening up the research area. But truthfully I can't handle anymore and

if Ranchos were to double in size just from the geographic area as is

I'd be in serious time trouble. I think the handwritting is on the wall.

This group might need a new Moderator before too much longer.



For that matter why not just everyone move over to Jonathan's group? its

already in place covering all of Mexico. Afterall its the membership

that make the group, isn't it? Why can't you all join that group also.

There you'd be able to discuss all of Mexico without restriction.



there is nothing special about here. Awhile ago about 15 months or so we

opene

Congrats, I am very happy to see you found the information on the family you were missing!
 I truly  feel your being smiled on from above!!!
Hope
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From: Joseph Puentes 
Date: 2005/11/03 Thu PM 05:53:03 CST
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Atotonilco



elviraz wrote:

>>And, yes, the name is a little misleading because I do not
>>see much discusion about the ranchos we were supposed to be
>>finding out about.
>>
>>Elvira
>>
Today I broke through my last brick wall. . .in fact I didn't break 
through it I pulverized it into non existence. I started off by not 
knowing my maternal grandmothers real name to finding it by a collection 
or oral history and the brief mention of a surname on my mom's death 
certificate. Then about a couple of months ago I made contact with some 
that told me that they were related to this grandmother and that she 
came from Huejucar. Well today I confirmed that my grandmother

Congrats, I am very happy to see you found the information on the family you were missing!
 I truly  feel your being smiled on from above!!!
Hope
============================================================
From: Joseph Puentes 
Date: 2005/11/03 Thu PM 05:53:03 CST
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Atotonilco



elviraz wrote:

>>And, yes, the name is a little misleading because I do not
>>see much discusion about the ranchos we were supposed to be
>>finding out about.
>>
>>Elvira
>>
Today I broke through my last brick wall. . .in fact I didn't break 
through it I pulverized it into non existence. I started off by not 
knowing my maternal grandmothers real name to finding it by a collection 
or oral history and the brief mention of a surname on my mom's death 
certificate. Then about a couple of months ago I made contact with some 
that told me that they were related to this grandmother and that she 
came from Huejucar. Well today I confirmed that my grandmother

Congrats, I am very happy to see you found the information on the family you were missing!
 I truly  feel your being smiled on from above!!!
Hope
============================================================
From: Joseph Puentes 
Date: 2005/11/03 Thu PM 05:53:03 CST
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Atotonilco



elviraz wrote:

>>And, yes, the name is a little misleading because I do not
>>see much discusion about the ranchos we were supposed to be
>>finding out about.
>>
>>Elvira
>>
Today I broke through my last brick wall. . .in fact I didn't break 
through it I pulverized it into non existence. I started off by not 
knowing my maternal grandmothers real name to finding it by a collection 
or oral history and the brief mention of a surname on my mom's death 
certificate. Then about a couple of months ago I made contact with some 
that told me that they were related to this grandmother and that she 
came from Huejucar. Well today I confirmed that my grandmother

Bigger is not better.  Let's keep the group and states
as they are.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Joseph Puentes wrote:

>
> I grow weary.
>
> I can't go any more than how I'm going.
>
> If we were to get a few moderators to handle all the
> added traffic and
> keep things orderly including dealing with Data
> Miners I might consider
> opening up the research area. But truthfully I can't
> handle anymore and
> if Ranchos were to double in size just from the
> geographic area as is
> I'd be in serious time trouble. I think the
> handwritting is on the wall.
> This group might need a new Moderator before too
> much longer.
>
> For that matter why not

Bigger is not better.  Let's keep the group and states
as they are.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> 
> I grow weary.
> 
> I can't go any more than how I'm going.
> 
> If we were to get a few moderators to handle all the
> added traffic and 
> keep things orderly including dealing with Data
> Miners I might consider 
> opening up the research area. But truthfully I can't
> handle anymore and 
> if Ranchos were to double in size just from the
> geographic area as is 
> I'd be in serious time trouble. I think the
> handwritting is on the wall. 
> This group might need a new Moderator before too
> much longer.
> 
> For that matter why not just everyone move over to
> Jonathan's group? its 
> already in place covering all of Mexico. Afterall
> its the membership 
> that make the group, isn't it? Why can't you all
> join that group also. 
> There you'd be able to discuss all of Mexico without
> restriction.
> 
> there is nothing

I grow weary.

I can't go any more than how I'm going.

If we were to get a few moderators to handle all the added traffic and
keep things orderly including dealing with Data Miners I might consider
opening up the research area. But truthfully I can't handle anymore and
if Ranchos were to double in size just from the geographic area as is
I'd be in serious time trouble. I think the handwritting is on the wall.
This group might need a new Moderator before too much longer.

For that matter why not just everyone move over to Jonathan's group? its
already in place covering all of Mexico. Afterall its the membership
that make the group, isn't it? Why can't you all join that group also.
There you'd be able to discuss all of Mexico without restriction.

there is nothing special about here. Awhile ago about 15 months or so we
opened up and took in Aguascalientes. I'm all in favor of taking in all
of historical Nueva Galicia. But I just don't have the energy to do it.

hey why

----- Original Message -----
From: "elviraz"

To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 12:41 PM
Subject: RE: [ranchos] New poll for ranchos

Joseph,

I have always been a little puzzled as to why San Luis
Potosi is not part of Ranchos.  Seems to me it should since
part of San Luis Potosi at one time used to part of the
region  of Zacatecas.  One of my greatgrandfathers was born

in SLP when part of it belonged to the region of Zacatecas.
By the way, he called himself Zacatecano. The Zavalas have

always been from Zacatecas.

It seems to me that we need a good history lesson as to
where the boundaries were for the 1800s and before, where
most of us are going with our genealogy.  The boundaries for
the reinos changed according to the person reporting the
information.


I think we need to define the Ranchos area of coverage to
cover the actual physical boundaries of where Jalisco,
Zacateacas and Aguascalientes  really were according to the

And speaking of Michoacán....  If we were to speak about the old
territories of "Nueva Galicia", then we'd have to include Michoacán
all the way to Sonora (and maybe further north), including Jalisco,
Zacatecas, Aguascalientes, Nayarit, Colima and Sinaloa.

http://www.historylink.org/essays/output.cfm?file_id=5682


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
wrote:
>
> Genealogy is hard work and I can't imagine a serious researcher
> wanting to join this group without being willing to share what their
> research has shown in the migration of families in Mexico. Joseph
> has made it a rule for joining this group, the willingness to share
> research.
>
> I'm truly learning as I go in the
genealogy but have learned that
> our lines did not originally come from Jalisco, Zacatecas or
> Guanajuato, they had to come from someplace else before that since
>