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Archived Message

Hi!     Yes, I also agree that Yolanda
has brought back a lot of memories for us with her nice story!  To this day
I feel bad when I step on a grave even if it is sometimes
unavoidable.  I can remember going to the cemetery with my mother when I
was VERY young and being told the same thing - "don't step on the
graves......don't make too much noise.......stop running........behave!" 
while she was cleaning the tombstones of her parents.   While we never
had the "Dia de Los Muertos" celebrations where I lived when I was young in
South Texas, I have been fortunate enough to have been in Oaxaca, MX in
1997 for Dia de Los Muertos.  They do the beautiful "altares" and
sand painting on the floors of different galleries and homes, and it is all just
wonderful!  Of course, I especially enjoyed eating the wonderful "tamales
de flor de calabasa" which I had never had before.  They are
deliciosos!!!!!  Oaxaca really knows how to put on a great festival for the
deceased ancestors! 

Archived Message

Yolanda: what a beautiful picture you painted for all of us.  It shocked my memories in a good way. Thank you.  It reminded me that my abuela Dona Lola, que en paz descance,  was also so serious about the flowers. And we had to walk such a long way from her house to the cementary. She did all the work; I guess we were there just to keep her company and carry the empty buckets back.   We were a small family so there were just two or three graves.  Two of the graves were of her sons who died as teenagers.  She sighed a lot while she washed the tombstones. And we little cousins learned respect; we would be stopped if we got too noisy or chased each other among the graves and especially if we walked on the graves. She said very little when she corrected us; she just looked at us and shook her head. That was enough.     I'm the head Tia now, so maybe its time to revive the custom in my immediate
family.  Around here  silk flowers seem to be appropriate.  Again, thanks.

Yolanda Bobby Perez

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I think the reason our relatives didn"t speak of the death of a child is obvious, the pain is overwhelming and in the telling come the tears. "recordar es volver a vivir"  In researching my grandfather Jose Anastacio Medina I discovered four of his siblings dying at a very young age, only he and his sister Margarita survived. Unfortunately they both lost their parents at a very young age and were sent to live with their mother's sister in Santa Rosalia de Camargo, Chihuahua.        And speaking of the dead.....   
  Now that El dia de los muertos is around the corner I recall my abuela materna Aurelia Yanez de Saavedra going to Ciudad Juarez and visiting El Mercado Cuahtemoc to purchase bunches of cut flowers in orange, yellow, white and brown. She would bring them back and put them in tinas full of water to keep them from wilting.  I still remember the vivid colors and the aroma of the crisantemos or "flores de muertos" as she called them.  Later in the evening we would all help

Entierros and the Mexican Mother

My grandmother went thru tough times in Totatiche, Jalisco, including
the Mexican revolution during the early 1900s and then the Cristero
Wars some years later. She used to tell us stories of many of the
hardships she and my grandfather had to endure. As my grandfather was
a professor at the catholic seminary he was considered an enemy of the
state during the Cristero Wars. Several attempts were made to kill
him. We were told that during those times they always had a guard
posted at the top of the church, day and night, whose job was to alert
the town whenever any soldiers were approaching. When that happened
they had to flee and hide in the hills for weeks at a time until the
troops left the town. My grandmother recalled how she had to give
birth in the wilderness while they were hiding and how she lost one of
her children consequently. Another one was lost by drowning in the
river. And some other of her children died by disease and lack of
medicines. Out of 18 births only 12 survived

Films on permanent loan.

Joseph,

Its me again!!! I am dropping you a quick line to
APOLOGIZE again............;( !!!

After I sent my info to you, I read your email that
said not to include live relatives. Please ignore the names after Seferina
Robles. We are still living.Also, I missed the boat  about how to
list  names. In the emails I have received I keep seeing these sites I am
not familiar with. Boy do I feel dumb!!! I am not sure how to see info on others
. Is there somewhere on the site where info is listed and are we allowed to
contact them?

HOPE

Archived Message

That may be true in some environments, but maybe not in
ours.  Growing up, I recall many relatives lamenting death of children. I
still recall my grandfather lamenting the loss of three children who died in
infancy.  I recall him mentioning this on many occasions.  He's the
person who influenced me most in genealogy.  He always listed these three
children.    My father being the second to the last of ten,
always spoke of those siblings who died way before he was ever
born.  He knew their birthdates, cause of death, and death date.  I
remember him describing their deaths quite vividly.  My guess is that these
events were talked about frequently.  Otherwise how could a child recall so
much.  Does anyone else recall such experiences?  Just wonderinfg if
my family is a fluke or something?  :)
I do remember an Anglo-American friend 
recounting her experience of suffering a miscarriage during her stint
as a Baptist Missionary in the jungles of Ecuador. She was shocked when
her

Entierros

I felt an overwhelming sadness when I found my paternal
grandmother's record too.  She died related to childbirth too.  She
left 10 children from 2 months to 16.  I thought I was the only one that
could feel like that over a death that happened so long ago.  My dad was 2
yrs old when his mother died.  Of course he doesn't recall her death, but
it was a real tragedy like many that our ancesters have gone through.  Her
death record said that she had died of a heart-related condition which was
totally wrong.  I discovered that there was another woman who died the same
day:  it said that her cause of death was childbirth-related.  My
guess is that whoever made out the death record--often times scribes training to
be priests got the two mixed up.
Irma



From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
Puentes
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 1:14 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos]
Entierros

I love death records. . .hmmm

Entierros

I just looked at my first informacion matrimonial film recently and 
there is a wealth of information in those... a bit of a waste of 
paper and ink, since a lot of it is the declarations of the husband 
and wife to be, which are obviously dictated by the priest and then 
the witnesses who attest to the verbatim same thing about the non-
consanguinity, single state of the couple, etc.  However, if the 
marriage record does not list parents, the informacion most 
definitely will... because of the consnguinity issue.

My problem with Marcos LEMUS and Maria Barbara YBARRA is that I 
cannot find their marriage record at all.  I don't even know what 
parrish they were married in.  Almost definitely not in Colotlan, 
where I would expect, because I have gone through the entire IGI 
extract for the relevant film and there is nothing that remotely 
approaches their names... a few Marcos with no last name but not 
married to any Marias or Barbaras.

There also appears to be no baptismal record

Grandma's Memory Book

 


 

This is a link to a book available from Ancestry.com that serves the
purpose of asking questions of and noting down an elder's memories of their
lives from birth to old age. 

 

Emilie Garcia

Port Orchard, WA ----

Entierros

yes good point you just never know what you're going to find. I've
received films that didn't have what they were suppose to have on them,
but that is the rare exception at least with the films I've looked at.



joseph





George Luna wrote:

I have attached a document from FHL Intl 445242 Entierros (Tepetongo, 
Zacatecas) that is a marriage document. I have found others. Being 
listed among the dead is no way to start a marriage. But, it is another 
reason to look at entierros.
George

Joseph Puentes wrote:

  
I love death records. . .hmmm, that didn't sound right.

I've found great wealth in them, but have to agree that the 
information can sometimes be very slim in them. I find that if the 
person was married it will many times only give the spouses name but 
if the person died as a child then the parents. But in those uncommon 
but wonderful cases it gives the spouse and the parents. and the age 
and the location and that they were previously married (but not who 
to)