Just a word on DNA tests for females...of course they can be done.
Females have DNA just like males. But remember from your chapter on
Genetics in your Biology class, females have XX chromosomes and males
have XY chromosomes. Male haploid reproductive cells (sperm cells) are
either X or Y chromosome cells. Female haploid (or ova) are ALL
X-chromosome cells. When an X sperm cell fertilizes a X ovum, a baby
girl is conceived. When a Y sperm cell fertilizes an X ovum, a baby
boy is conceived. That is why males determine the sex of the newborn
child.

As Joseph, and anyone else who has investigated their genetic
genealogy, can attest to, paternal origin can only be checked via the
Y-DNA only. Consequently, only males can have their Y-DNA traced,
because only males have the Y-chromosome (which is where the Y-DNA is
located). Unfortunately, females are XX and have no Y-DNA, so females
have to ask a close male relative (father, brother, or paternal-cousin)
if they want

Hi Joseph,

I'm so happy for you. This is truly a wonderful break. You indeed
have the right forensic attitude for genealogy. Establish what you
know and what you don't know, and formulate parameters for your future
research. I wish you the best of luck.

My mother is a Lopez, whose ancestry was from San Miguel el Alto and
San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco. It is very very unlikely that our two
Lopezes were related, as the surname is sooooo common, but wouldn't it
be cool if they were?

Tell us all when you make some more progress.

Steven H.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes 
To: LosRanchos 
Sent: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 16:16:58 -0500
Subject: [ranchos] Huejucar!!!

I'm soooooo excited. I just got off the phone with my 2nd cousin Roy
Raygoza from Antioch, CA. Seems that his grandfather, Nicolas was
brother to my Grandmother, Antonia Lopez. The big big big news is that
his parents are from Huejucar, Jalisco the same place he

Joseph,

Among the people I know, it is common to hear about "Abuelos",
"Bisabuelos" and "Tatarabuelos".  Beyond that, I've never heard those
greek prefixes like tetra, penta, hexa, etc. attached to the word
"abuelo" but rather the ordinal numbers cuarto, quinto, sexto, etc. or
its numerical equivalent 4to., 5to., 6to., etc.

However, there's some confusion on the numbering system depending on
if you're counting the "abuelos" or the "bisabuelos".  For example, my
genealogy software (In English) uses the following nomenclature, which
I have paired with its Spanish equivalent:

Grandparent = Abuelo
Great Grandparent = Bisabuelo or 2do. Abuelo
2nd. Great Grandparent = Tatarabuelo or 3er. Abuelo or 2do. Bisabuelo
3rd. Great Grandparent = 4to. Abuelo or 3er. Bisabuelo
And so on.

The convention in Spanish is to count the "abuelos", but if you're
doing a translation of, let's say, 3rd. Great Grandparent you have to
be careful and translate it either as 3er. Bisabuelo or 4to. Abuelo.

 I hope

Does anyone know if the Huejucar films in the later years (say in the
1880's) are indexed? I know that in the neighboring area of Santa Maria
de los Angeles that after the 1830's (approx.) or so that the priests
started indexing their records.

thanks,

joseph

I will talk to my dad again about this.  Don't they do
DNA tests yet on females?

--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> Thanks Prima,
> 
> I haven't heard from you lately. Just thinking about
> you as I was 
> organizing some of our Muro Records. I'm trying to
> get my mess into some 
> kind of a reasonable pile. Thanks again. I'm trying
> to find a Muro from 
> my line of Muro's to consider DNA testing. Any
> Muro's on your side that 
> might be good candidates?
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps:  Not sure of the time frame but there are films
> for that area of 
> Huejucar back to 1765:
> 
> Title
> Registros parroquiales, 1765-1973
> 
> Authors
> Iglesia Católica. San Francisco de Asís (Huejúcar,
> Jalisco) (Main Author)
> 
> Notes
> Microfilme de manuscritos en el archivo de la
> parroquia.
> Algunos de los libros incluyen índice.
> Parish registers of baptisms, confirmations,
> marriages and marriage 
> petitions, and deaths from Huejúcar, Jalisco,
> Mexico.
> 
> Subjects
> Mexico, Jalisco

Jospeh that is wonderful news.  The only family
connection from that area would be my
great-grandmother Francisca Carrillo who was from that
area; she married Casmiro Muro.   However I found her
baptism and marriage record in Santa Maria and
Colotlan.  Francisca was born in the early 1840's;
it's possible Huejucar didn't have a church until
after that time-frame?  I wish you good-luck, at this
time I don't have any films from Huejucar.  

Carol Turner

--- Santos Luna  wrote:

> I share your joy.....now go... and take on those
> films!!!
> Cheers/Helyn
> 
> Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> I'm soooooo excited. I just got off the phone with
> my 2nd cousin Roy Raygoza from Antioch, CA. Seems
> that his grandfather, Nicolas was brother to my
> Grandmother, Antonia Lopez. The big big big news is
> that his parents are from Huejucar, Jalisco the same
> place he says that my grandmother is from. That
> being said I'm off to the races again inserarch of
> this line