In the early 50's they did a Posada at the Catholic church in our 
town, Stockton Ca. that had the largest Mexican population.  My 
brother and cousin were both 5 years old and recruited to be 'Indios" 
for the Posada which was made up of children only.  We still laugh to 
this day about how humiliated these macho little boys were to be 
dressed in white pants and shirt and have an orange crate full of my 
dish's strapped on their backs.  They went to different 'stations' 
asking for help but were refused until they got to the church where 
they asked and were admitted.  Everyone got a bag with an orange and 
some popcorn after.  Sadly that's all any of us remember about the 
Posada.  The tradition was discontued by the church by the 60's.... 
another lost tradition from Old Mexico....
Linda in WA.

I am in favor of a file of research tips - where all the wonderful and 
helpful tips can be consolidated or listed. I need all the help I can 
get :)!

Natalie Coleman, VA

I found these lyrics in the liner notes of a CD - "Diciembre en 
México"

Las Posadas/Entren Santos Peregrinos (Title)
(Note: J= Joseph; R= respondants)

J:  En el nombre del cielo, os pido posada,
    Pues no puede andar, mi esposa amada.
R:  Aquí no es meson, sigan adelante,
    Yo no puedo abrir, ne sea algún tunante.
J:  No seas inhumano tennos caridad,
    Que el Dios de los cielos te los premiara.
R:  Ya se pueden ir y no molestar.
    Hace mucho frío y no me he de parar.
J:  Mi esposa es Maria Es Reina del cielo
    y madre va a ser del Divino Verbo.
R:  ¿Eres tú Jose? ¿Tú esposa es Maria?
    Entre peregrino. No les conocía.

    Entren Santos Peregrinos reciban este rincon.
    No de esta pobre morada sino de mi corazón.

    Abranse las puertas rómpanse los velos
    Que viene a posar El Rey de los cielos.

    Entrad pues esposos, con satisfacción,
    Que os damos posada  con el corazón.


I hope this helps. The CD (1994) is by Donna Peña.

Natalie Coleman, VA

Angie,

I forgot to mention in my last post about one thing that I like in the
Legacy software, which is the Merge function.  That really helps to
trim up your records, find and eliminate duplicate persons or families
with slightly different names and other things.

By the way, regarding the use of the percentage sign as a wildcard,
now that you asked me if it is the same as leaving a blank field I
feel like a total fool.  However, I'm totally positive and I could've
swore that when I started using the IGI database if you left blank
either the first or last name fields you'd get an error back.  So I'm
assuming that they made a code update that I wasn't aware of.  Anyway,
when I find the time I'll try to write down a few other tips for those
who are new to these searching tools.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073"  wrote:
> Victor,
> 
> Too funny...when I started working on my family tree in 1998, I did 
> create my own program, which I still use today.

Victor,

Too funny...when I started working on my family tree in 1998, I did 
create my own program, which I still use today.  But my program 
doesn't do all the fancy charts and reports.  So I was going to add 
that to my program when I found the PAF program.  I liked the reports 
and tools in that program so instead of adding that functionality to 
my own program, I created a tool to convert the data in my program to 
a GED file and I then import it into a PAF file.  All this probably 
sounds confusing but it works for me.  The reason I haven't gotten 
rid of my own program is cause it still does things that PAF doesn't 
do...and besides it has sentimental value...jk... :-)

Talk to you later,
Angie Godina


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
wrote:
> Angie,
> 
> So we have one more thing in common, eh?  Our interest in databases
> and programming, besides having ancestors in Colotlán, Totatiche and
> Tlaltenango.
> 
> I have PAF 5 but I use it

I can highly recommend all three books--Hank Jones is a gracious person and an interesting speaker. Marge Vallazza:)



On Aug 23, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Josie T. Trevino wrote:

 



Hi Emilie!

Your message (below) is very interesting and very helpful, especially to me!  I also experience the same "right frame of mind" that you refer to except that I say that "my ancestors are talking to me!".......sometimes it is by way of a dream or a feeling I get!  I know it sounds weird but it is true!  To get back to "reality"  :-)   the article you refer to is George R. Ryskamp's book "Finding Your Hispanic Roots" which is still available for sale.   On another note, there are two books I highly recommend on this subject of "frame of mind" etc......they are two books by Henry Z. Jones, Jr.  One is "Psychic Roots" and the second is "More Psychic Roots"

I enjoy reading all the messages and want ALL OF YOU to know that I

Angie,

So we have one more thing in common, eh?  Our interest in databases
and programming, besides having ancestors in Colotlán, Totatiche and
Tlaltenango.

I have PAF 5 but I use it mainly to export my Gedcoms to a Palm Pilot.
 The software that I'm currently using for my genealogy is Legacy 5,
which I believe is a very complete application.  When I started
compiling my genealogical data I considered creating my own data
tables and user interface in Access, but after trying Legacy I
realized that it would be an enormous time investment to create an
application from scratch with all that functionality so I changed my
mind.  

What I'm storing is Access are the batch numbers of the church records
I'm currently researching, which at present include only a few from
the State of Nuevo León. 

Regarding the information at FamilySearch, actually there are several
databases, of which the IGI is just one.  But their databases are not
Access based, that's why the Access default wildcard does

My grandaughter participated in a posada in December
2000 dressed as the Holy Family. The group sang in a
procession around the church, neighborhood, park...
asking for a place to stay representing Mary and
Joseph as they did before JESUS was about to be born. 

Jose Munoz  Yuba City, Ca
--- Emilie Garcia  wrote:

> My husband, who grew up in El Paso, TX, remembers
> Posadas there in the 1940's when he was a small boy.
>  For some reason, just the other day, he was singing
> a song they used to sing during these Christmas
> processions.  The children would go from house to
> house, dressed as the Holy Family seeking shelter
> for the night, and when they would knock, the
> residents would sing (in Spanish), "Who goes there? 
> Maybe it is someone come to rob us?", and the
> participants in the procession would sing back, "It
> is Jose and Maria, seeking shelter", then they would
> be invited in for refreshments, etc.  I wish I could
> relate the lyrics in Spanish.