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Oral Histories

I have read lots, of messages about oral histories, here on Ranchos. 
I just wanted to say, record those histories.  So that they are not
lost, to the future generations.

I say this, because recently I took, on some new clients, whose
ancestry is about 80% comanche indians.  With a few ancestors, who
where Mexican or spanish captives, that were captured and raised by
the comanches, during the early 1800's.  All that they have to work
with, is oral histories.  The comanches did not have a written
language, until they were bought, into the reservations.  And when a
person dies, they don't speak the person's name again.

So, like I said.  Record your oral histories, so that you posterity,
can know them, and can get to know you.

Jonathan




[Fwd: [mexicanfhr] Mexican FHR Resource disk]

As Joseph, mentioned in this email,  I am in the process, of updating
my Mexican Family History Resoucre disk.  There were several problems, 
with the prior version, such as links not working and a few other
things.  These are being corrected, also  I am removing lots, of the
material, that was written by others, and replacing it, with material
that I have written myself.  The reason, that I am doing this, is
because, I am in the procress, of trying to get the disc, approved for
use in the FHL in Salt Lake.

For those, who would like a copy of the new version.  It will be
available, in about a week.  The cost is $10.00, that is to cover,
cost of producing the disc and shipping.

Jonathan

Also, Those of you who have received, the prior version.  Could you
please send a email, to the group saying what you have thought about
the disc.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
>
> here is a message Jonathan sent to his Mexican FHR group. I've invited 
> him

old Spanish names

I have this comment, it´s anecdotic. My older brother once ask a friend to give a certain message to somebodyelse, at the end he remarked "...tell him Don Guillermo said so" I promptly said "hey! you must not refer to yourself as Don, Don is a prize you earn from been an honest man! when people start calling you "Don" you realize that you had been an honest man! It is a sign of prestige.  My father is called Don Nicolas (which make me proud), and he never refers to himself as "Don". Just a cultural bit. Have Joyeus celebrations!   LeticiaLeon

Erlinda Castanon-Long escribió:
People seldom went by their given name, Concepcion became Chon..
Refugio became Cuko or Cuka, Maria de la Lus became Lucha.. my
grandfather was Epitacio, they called him Pancho. My father is
Aniceto
but they call him Chet... Somehow when they added Don or Dona before
the name it became even more special whatever it was... instant
respect!
Linda








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Yusuf: Names 's' and 'z'/HOHOHO

Jose,
 
Thanks for your generous response.  I will have to return home before I can deal with your suggestion about making a podcast.  I'm visiting my son in Texas and will return after Jan. 4 next year.  It sounds like a good idea to me.  It would give me something new to do.
 
My experience has been that "Je." is the abbreviation for "Jose".  "Jn." is usually the abbreviation for "Juan".  I have not seen the "Je." used interchangeably.  "Jph." is also another short form for either "Josef"  or "Joseph". 
 
Your question about "Puente" vs. "Puentes" is trickier to answer.  I'm sure you are aware that it comes from the Latin word for bridge, ponte.  It could be a mistaken application of the linguists strategy for  forming surnames from Gothic given names by adding "es".  Examples are: alvaro > alvares (son of alvaro); benito > benites; sancho > sanchez; rodrigo > rodrigues.  The root word for Puentes is not of Gothic origin but that doesn't prevent one from treating it as such.  The

Messages

145 messages in the last 7 days!!!  WOW!!!  I can't imagine what this 
site is going to be like during the next week.  Joseph, you better run 
for cover!!!


John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.




Odd names WAS

Please see comments
below.
 
Elvira
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:19
AM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Odd names
WAS
 
Marge, most of the names you mention sound like they came from the
classic Greek or Roman---pagan?
 
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The way I heard it from my Jesuit priest friend is that early in the Conquest
the Catholic church decided to give  names to Indians of only known
saints or martyrs of the Church.  Of course, almost all of them were
early Roman and Greek martyrs. I think this was done because as all conquering
armies go about their business, some individuals  decide to have a little
nasty fun with names with people that do not speak their language. 
I had plenty of experience with that while working for the INS. A

Odd names WAS Re: [ranchos] Re: Godina Family

Agapito (Augapito) ought to be really glad he bears that
name!  Somebody loved him! That only means Loved One (from 
agape, the word for real love in the Greek language.
 
Zenobio= Cenobio(a)
Senobio(a)= Zenon=Cenon(a)=Senon(a) a variation of the
same name which roughly translated means devoted to Zeus.
Also spelled Xenon, Xenona.  I have those and plenty
of Aurelios and Aurelianos in my family.
 
Elvira
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:58
AM
Subject: RE: Odd names WAS Re: [ranchos]
Re: Godina Family

How about my dad's name?   Aureliano.  Almost no one knows
how to pronounce it, much less spell it.  He was named after my
grandpa.
 
Rosalinda


-----Original Message-----
From: glo
Sandoval-Fuentes
Sent: Dec 21, 2005 7:06 AM

To: ranchos@...m

Subject: RE: Odd names WAS Re: [ranchos] Re: Godina Family


Or even my dads name is
Augapito.



              
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Given Names

Actually, they sound more like
Mexicans.  
 
    If you can get it in your area, try to
watch a novela called  'Alborada".  It's a historical novel about
Mexico during the early 1800s.  It'll give you a good idea of Mexico during
that time. There are other historical novelas about Mexico you can either get on
tape or CD.
 
It  covers costuming, vanilla plantations, duelos,
thieves, people with titles, religious orders, Jewish relations, Catholic
Church, commerce with central America, la Nao de la China, ports of call,
commerce with other latinamerican countries (ties were closer than we think),
cochinilla, horses, carruajes, swordfighting,  births (how registrations
were not aways true), legitimate and illegitimate, morals, etc.
 
Regarding hermanito, manito:  this terminology is
found throughout the Spanish speaking world because of the priests telling the
new converts that they were hermanitos, so is that
particular pronounciation of acequia in just the way

Given Names

Very.


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John Gonzalez


Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:37
AM

Subject: Re: [ranchos] Given Names



In my family tree , we have two sisters married
to two brothers.  How common is that? .  They live in the
Sacramento area.

 

John Gonzalez

Wildomar, CA.



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Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 9:21
PM

Subject: Re: [ranchos] Given
Names



Here's a good one from my family tree--

 

My grandfather's sister, Rafaela, married my grandmother's
brother.  Thirteen years later my grandparents get married.  So,
my dad has a set of first cousins whom I call "double-first cousins," since
they're his cousins through both their mom's and dad's
sides.

Odd names WAS Re: [ranchos] Re: Godina Family

Thanks!  Yes, I know where my name derives from, but it's just not the same because everyone calls me "Peggy Sue" "Peggy Lou", or "Peggy Ann"....
But, I didn't know that a Margarita was a daisy!  I love that flower...it looks so happy and friendly.

Thanks for the kind words!
Again, Merry Christmas everyone!!!!!!
> 
> From: Mary Allen 
> Date: 2005/12/22 Thu PM 06:21:14 EST
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: Odd names WAS Re: [ranchos] Re: Godina Family
> 
> Hi Peggy: 
>    
>   Actually, "Peggy" is a nickname, a diminuative, for Margaret and what could be prettier than Margarita?  You really are a Margarita at heart.  And Margaret, I believe, may come from the Greek for pearl.  And margaritas are also lovely daisies.   Merry Christmas!
>    
>   Mary
> 
> Peggy Delgado  wrote:
>           Here is a list of names in MY family tree:
>    
>   Narciso
>   Zerefina (or Zeferina)
>   Leonisio
>   Tranquilino
>   Plutarco
>   Abundio
>   Blas
>