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mtDNA and other DNA.

Hola Víctor:
 
Your messages always are good welcome; you have given a great explanation about the DNA project, and the basis of it. All we're learning of your msg.
 
Your profession is relating with this matter? Really is very impressionist the knowledge that you has gathered of this.
 
Thanks much.
 
JRGL.
Mexico City.

V.H.Villarreal wrote:
Josie,

At the risk of oversimplifying this whole thing, I'm posting a few
essential concepts about DNA. Please excuse me if I sound patronizing.

We all have heard that DNA is the blueprint of life.  And it is!..............
Saludos,

Victor
 


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mtDNA and other DNA

Emilie,

I know we're straying off topic, but just a brief comment about your
reply.  What your neighbor may have been talking about is something
called a trisomy, a rare kind of chomosomal anomaly where there's an
extra chromosome in one of the numbered pairs.  So instead of the
normal XY in a male this individuals have an XYY.  

It is possible that such individuals have exceptional characteristics,
either for good or evil.  One could just as easily become a serial
criminal or a super bright scientist.

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" 
wrote:
>
> Wow, Victor, I printed out your wonderful explanation below.  I
think I am beginning to grasp something.  I remember learning
something about chromosomes from school so very long ago.  Also, the
man next door talked about some monster criminals, murderers, who were
shown to be "YY".  I thought I recalled that men were "XY" and women
were "XX".  YY's would be genetic monsters, no?  They should be

Maternal Lineage in Tepetongo/Huejucar-Re: [ranchos]

Elvira and Victor.......thanks to both of you for the great
explanations!  I am learning so much from all of this!  Josie in San
Antonio



From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of elviraz
Sent:
Saturday, November 19, 2005 6:01 AM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Maternal Lineage in
Tepetongo/Huejucar-Re: [ranchos]

Emilie,
 
Joseph, please bottom of message.
 
Eemilie: Re your >But those results show that an
African Eve (L1-a) entered into my lineage at some point.
 
In southern Mexico tthere were quite a number of black
slaves and free blacks.  Results like yours would not be uncommon.  In
fact they would be very common in places like Tabasco, southern Sinaloa,
Coahuila, San Luis Potosi, Guerrero state,  and about five other
states.  All of them have large pockets where a large number of blacks
lived.  I suspect that these and Filipino  will be somewhat common in
the Mexican seaports. These are just the special places, however

Capirotada- Re: Trevino match, DNA and the Today show

Joseph: 
 
By now you will have received many recipes for "capirotada", the lenten dish.  Each family has its own version but basically it is a bread pudding as Emilie described.  One Lent I introduced it to our mostly non Hispanic office. It quickly lost its lenten character and now is requested as a dessert whenever we have a pot luck gathering or fundraiser.  Capirotada by any other name takes just as good.  What a wonderful group!!  From capirotada to DNA with gusto.
Mary Garana Allen     PS. I am sending you the Garana version by mail.

Emilie Garcia wrote:
Joseph,
 
If you can read recipes in a book and follow them, you could make "capirotada" yourself.  When I went to New Orleans and to League City TX, they served something called "bread pudding" that was just like my mother's capirotada.  My mother was from New Mexico, where the Anglos' southern style cooking was an influence along with everything else.  My mother used to tear up pieces of bread and toast

mtDNA and other DNA

Thank you V.H.!!  Your explanation helped me immensely. You have the traits of a great teacher....  Mary Garana Allen

"v.h.villarreal" wrote:

Josie,

At the risk of oversimplifying this whole thing, I'm posting a few
essential concepts about DNA. Please excuse me if I sound patronizing.

We all have heard that DNA is the blueprint of life.  And it is!  Or
to be more exact, each organism's DNA is its own blueprint of life.
Just think how it is possible to clone an animal (make an exact
genetic replica) from the DNA found in the nucleus of a single cell.
And notice that in theory a clone could be made from practically every
cell in the body, as most cells have a copy of all their DNA, their
full genome.

Although each cell with a nucleus has their full genome it only has a
small section of it activated, the specific section that contains the
instructions that each cell must carry out.  Imagine a huge theater
performance with many, many actors, where every
actor has a copy of
the

mtDNA and other DNA

Please see comments below:
 
Elvira
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 19,
2005 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] mtDNA
and other DNA

 
 
 Also, the man next door talked about some monster
criminals, murderers, who were shown to be "YY".  I thought I
recalled that men were "XY" and women were "XX".  YY's would be genetic
monsters, no?  They should be locked up or killed. They are not really
human if they exist.  I wonder if my neighbor was
joking.>
 
 
This is not joke.  There are males or
females who have an exta x or an extra y, however, they are not criminals just
because they have that something extra.  In fact, unless you take the
tests, no one can tell.   Many famous athletes (mals and females)
have had an extra y or x and they were accomplished individuals and
famous. The theory that advanced that idea has been proven false.
 
This

Maternal Lineage in Tepetongo/Huejucar-Re: [ranchos]

Emilie,
 
Joseph, please bottom of message.
 
Eemilie: Re your >But those results show that an
African Eve (L1-a) entered into my lineage at some point.
 
In southern Mexico tthere were quite a number of black
slaves and free blacks.  Results like yours would not be uncommon.  In
fact they would be very common in places like Tabasco, southern Sinaloa,
Coahuila, San Luis Potosi, Guerrero state,  and about five other
states.  All of them have large pockets where a large number of blacks
lived.  I suspect that these and Filipino  will be somewhat common in
the Mexican seaports. These are just the special places, however, In Mexico
Blacks went to all corners of the country.  I Know people from Puebla
who have black backgounds.  By the way, Some of those Mexican blacks moved
to California. Goevernor Pico and family did. 
 
Regarding blacks in Mexico, there are pretty good records
of when Blacks arrived in Mexico and for how long a period there were slaves in
Mexico.  In

DNA and the Today show.

Bien Dicho José Román



hay muchos en nuestra comunidad (afuera de Ranchos) que no saben que
son de raza mezcla. Si somos de Espanol, Yndio, Negro, Moro, y otros.
Tenemos que vernos que somos de la misma sangre y juntamos no separamos
(unir no separar) de nuestros primos.



gracias otra vez para sus comentarios y contribuciones



joseph



José Román González López wrote:

Hi Emilie:
Thanks for your msg.
 
I had has a great reading of vital records (parish and civil)
for my Genealogy, and to an others, that work is my principal source of
information; the DNA projects are relatively new for my knowledge, this
is very impacting for me (a little time more, and I could be "s - t - o
- n - e - d", por poco me quedo "de una pieza", como decimos en
español), and I considered it a important advance to the Family History.
 
Talking about the integration of a new culture
(Latin-Americans), as the beginning of a new "raza" or "mezcla de
razas" (White, Indigenous, Negroe, Asiatic

Capirotada





Emilie Garcia wrote:

Alicia,
 
Now I recall that my mother would make the capirotada around
Easter or Lent.  She also would only serve cheese enchiladas on Fridays
during lent, no meat dishes.  She never made enchiladas with meat,
anyway.  She was from New Mexico and made her enchiladas flat, stacked
up, with only onions, cheese and sauce and a fried egg on top.  I had
mine without the fried egg and no onions, much to her consternation,
since she had to make only mine separately from everyone else's.  I
also wouldn't eat the salsa she made with what she called "chiles
curtidos" (I think that is what she called them).  She made tamales for
Christmas and New Year.  I miss sitting down in front of the TV to
watch the Rose Bowl parade on New Year's Day with a plate of her
tamales.
 
Joseph, we can't wait much longer to make capirotada or tamales
ourselves.  Mother is gone!  We are on our own.  We must not deny
ourselves.  Let's look up the recipes on the

Capirotada

Alicia,
 
Now I recall that my mother would make the capirotada around Easter or
Lent.  She also would only serve cheese enchiladas on Fridays during lent,
no meat dishes.  She never made enchiladas with meat, anyway.  She was
from New Mexico and made her enchiladas flat, stacked up, with only onions,
cheese and sauce and a fried egg on top.  I had mine without the fried egg
and no onions, much to her consternation, since she had to make only mine
separately from everyone else's.  I also wouldn't eat the salsa she made
with what she called "chiles curtidos" (I think that is what she called
them).  She made tamales for Christmas and New Year.  I miss sitting
down in front of the TV to watch the Rose Bowl parade on New Year's Day with a
plate of her tamales.
 
Joseph, we can't wait much longer to make capirotada or tamales
ourselves.  Mother is gone!  We are on our own.  We must not deny
ourselves.  Let's look up the recipes on the internet.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard