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Looking for the parents of Nicolás Gómez & Inés de Pedroza

Hello!

I have been searching for parents of the following couple:

Nicolás Gómez (mestizo) cc Inés de Pedroza (mulata libre), their children:

  1. Pedro Gómez de Portugal (mestizo, mulato libre), b. 15 Mar 1692 in Lagos (padrinos: Isidro de Pedroza y Micaela Díaz), IM 9 Feb 1715, m. 24 Feb 1715 cc Nicolasa Báez (hija de Antonio Báez y Felipa de Villegas)
    1. Juana Gertrudis Gómez (Española, mestiza), n. 4 Dec 1721 on Rancho de Portezuelo, b. 21 Dec 1721 in Lagos (padrinos: Marcos de Pedroza and Felípa Sermeño), IM 8 Oct 1740, m. 30 Oct 1740 in Lagos cc. Gabriel Ortiz (Español, mestizo) [gr-gr-grandson of Pedro Ortiz de Anda y Ana Ramírez]
  2. Margarita Gómez (morisca), b. 29 Jun 1694 (padrinos: Bartolomé de Salas y Ana de Anda) [Bartolomé de Salas is the grandson of Pedro Ortiz de Anda y Ana Ramírez, and his wife Ana María de Anda is the daughter of Juan de Anda and María de Ortega.]
  3. Juana Gómez (mestiza), b. 25 Nov 1696 (padrinos: Andrés Gómez y Petronila Ortiz, sumuger)

It is probable that Inés de

Agradecimiento

Estimados miembros de Nuestros Ranchos:

Quiero expresar mi sincero agradecimiento por haberme aceptado como integrante de este grupo de investigadores genealógicos.

Mi nombre es Alfonso Vargas Gómez y desde hace algún tiempo me encuentro investigando mi ascendencia paterna, principalmente la familia Vargas Machuca, cuyas raíces he podido rastrear por distintas localidades de Jalisco y Michoacán, entre ellas Jalostotitlán, San Juan de los Lagos, Mazamitla, Tamazula de Gordiano y Santiago Tangamandapio.

Mi investigación se basa principalmente en documentos parroquiales, registros civiles y expedientes matrimoniales. Aunque he logrado reconstruir varias generaciones, todavía existen interrogantes que espero resolver con el tiempo.

Me dará mucho gusto compartir mis hallazgos, colaborar con otros investigadores y aprender de la experiencia y conocimientos de los integrantes de esta comunidad.

Muchas gracias nuevamente por recibirme.

Estaré publicando en este folder:  https://nuestrosranchos.org

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Welcome, Alfonso. I hope you find the answers you're seeking.

Warm regards,

Travis

La Rojeña

Hace muchos años tomé esta foto en Tequila, Jalisco. Esta placa contiene los nombres de todos los dueños de lo que eventualmente sería la Fábrica de Tequila Cuervo, desde don José Antonio de Cuervo Valdés y García de la Riva hasta don Juan Beckmann Gallardo.

Entre ellos figura mi sexto abuelo, don Vicente Rojas y Jiménez de Mendoza, nacido en Jalostotitlán (hijo de Ignacio Rojas y de Anda Altamirano y María de las Nieves Jiménez de Mendoza y Casillas y Cabrera), quien heredó la fábrica de tequila y de quien Google Arts & Culture señala:

"Fundador de la fábrica de vino mezcal 'La Rojeña', convirtiéndola en una de las más destacadas del siglo XIX. Iniciador de la distribución de la bebida fuera de Jalisco. Aumentó considerablemente la cantidad de barriles producidos hasta entonces".

Don Vicente, visionario y empresario extraordinario, hizo crecer la fábrica de manera sustancial y, como es bien sabido, la bautizó como "La Rojeña" en alusión a su apellido, labrando con su trabajo una de las

Question about wording in baptismal record

Hello, 

Hope everyone is well.

Recently, I came across a baptismal record and wanted to make sure I am reading it correctly:

“... Margarita hija de Sebastian indio, y de sumujer Sebastiana criados de Alonso de Alva fueron sus padrinos Marcos de Vargas hijo de Santiago de Pedrosa y Casilda mulata del dicho Als.o de Alva ...”

Usually, I see padrinos who are married couples or who have some known kinship to one another (father/daughter, siblings, mother/son, etc.). I have only encountered unrelated padrinos a handful of times.

So, my reading is that Marcos de Vargas—possibly the same person as Marcos de Pedrosa, and identified here as the son of Santiago de Pedrosa—was the padrino, while Casilda, who apparently lived on the same estancia as Sebastian and Sebastiana (belonging to Alonso de Alba), was the madrina.

Should I be reading more into this arrangement?

One possibility I have considered is that Casilda was an illegitimate daughter of Alonso de Alba (and the word "hija" was accidentally

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Greetings! I read it as follows... The event is for Margarita, her parents are housekeepers for Alonso de Alva. Marcos de Vargas, son of Santiago de Pedroza was the Godfather. Casilda, a mulata of the same Alsonso de Alva. 

  1. Do Marcos and Casilda have a relationship? They might, or they might be meaningful choices for Margarita. It was not uncommon to ask the household hierarchy to be a Godparent to a child if the relations were good between castes.
  2. Alonso Alva might own Casilda, or she might be a daughter of mixed race, or both.

All scenarios might be worth investigating. 

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I read it as you do:  “the godparents were Marcos de Vargas, son of Santiago de Pedrosa; and Casilda, mulata [?] del dicho Alonso de Alva.”

I think the missing word is “criada” - though possibly “esclava,” but my bet is the former, since there was a Casilda de Alba, mulata libre, who was married to Francisco Vasquez, mulato criado de Esteban de Anda. They had about 7 children between 1643 and 1664. She would’ve been born around the same time as Casilda mulata:
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/MSH3-SSY

Saludos!
Manny Díez Hermosillo
 

Where was the church of Ledesma?

I'm looking for more information about the church where my ancestor was baptized in 1858. The registry entry reads as follows: "la Iglesia de Ledesma, en la parroquia de Ojuelos"  I have assumed that meant the church ws in the town of Ledesma. But could it have been in Ojuelos instead? I would also like to find a photo of the church. Thanks.

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Avila / Lopez de Avila

Hola a todos,

Long-time lurker, first-time poster. I have been doing patrilineal research for a few years, starting with the Avila/De Avila surname in Aguascalientes and altos de Jalisco. Thanks to the researchers on this site, I was able to continue the line to Joseph de Avila Sosa (b. 1612 and d. 1670 in San Luis Potosí) cc Josepha Montañes de Sotomayor (b. 1631 in Sierra de Pinos, d. 1706 in San Luis Potosí). They married on 7 January 1647 in Ojuelos de Jalisco.

Joseph de Avila Sosa's parents were Juan Lopes de Avila cc Mariana de Sosa Gonzalez. They married on 14 January 1607 in El Sagrario, San Luis Potosí. They had at least three children that were born in San Luis Potosí, (1) Maria born in 1608, (2) Juan born in 1610, and (3) Joseph born in 1612, from whom I descend.

Juan Lopes de Avila died on 19 December 1614 in SLP, with various online sources listing his birth year as somewhere between 1570-1590. But I've hit a brick wall as I cannot figure out where he could've been born. I

Presentación — Mi investigación sobre la familia De la Torre de Los Altos de Jalisco

Hola a todos los miembros de Nuestros Ranchos:

Mi nombre es Alfonso de la Torre Robledo y les escribo desde La Paz, Baja California Sur, México. Agradezco a Joseph Puentes y a los administradores la bienvenida y la preparación de mi carpeta personal para compartir materiales genealógicos.

Investigo mi línea paterna De la Torre, vinculada con San Juan de los Lagos, Jalostotitlán y Tepatitlán. He reunido registros históricos e imágenes de documentos originales que me han permitido reconstruirla hasta el siglo XVII. Algunos vínculos cuentan con declaraciones expresas de parentesco y otros se sostienen por la convergencia de varios documentos.

Comparto esta parte de mi línea, desde Fausto de la Torre hacia las generaciones anteriores:

  1. Fausto de la Torre, con María Amparo de la Torre.
  2. Severiano de los Ángeles de la Torre González, con María Refugio Romo; fallecido en 1904 en San Juan de los Lagos.
  3. Mariano de la Torre, casado con Juana Nepomucena González en 1829, en San Juan de los Lagos.
  4. Esteban

Padres de Clemente de la Torre y Ledesma (C1), esposo de Beatriz: solicitud de documentos

A toda la comunidad de Nuestros Ranchos:

Estamos investigando quiénes fueron los padres de Clemente de la Torre y Ledesma, esposo de Beatriz Ramírez, también identificada como Beatriz de Tavera, en nuestra línea paterna de Los Altos de Jalisco. Lo llamamos C1 para distinguirlo de otros Clementes de la misma rama.

Juan de Ledesma Mexía e Isabel (Ysavel) González aparecen únicamente como POSIBLES PADRES, SIN COMPROBAR Y EN INVESTIGACIÓN. No presentamos esa filiación como un hecho confirmado.

Si tienen cualquier lazo familiar, rama de investigación o documentos relacionados con Clemente, Beatriz, Isabel o Juan, agradeceremos cualquier aportación que ayude a confirmar o descartar esta hipótesis, o a identificar otros padres candidatos.

Nos interesan especialmente bautismos, matrimonios, defunciones, testamentos, protocolos notariales, dispensas o particiones de bienes que expresen el parentesco. También pueden servir documentos de hermanos, hijos u otros parientes si nombran a Clemente o

Juan de Orozco-Inés Pantoja (1600s - Michoacán)

Hello,

I'm trying to verify whether Juan de Orozco is a descendant of the Villaseñor family. I am also trying to find his wife's, (Inés Pantoja),  parents. They were married in 1647 in Puruándiro, Michoacan.  One of the witnesses for their marriage investigation is Don Diego de Villaseñor y Orozco. Does anyone have any information on either of these people?  I've attached the marriage investigation. Thank you in advance.

On the Ruiz de Chávez-Villaseñor relationship

The Villaseñor surname was used by members of the Ruiz de Chávez family and their descendants during the XVIIth century. This had been done first by the children of Andrés Ruiz de Chávez and María de Ábrego y Castilleja, these were all born in the first half of that century. One of the children of this couple was in fact named "Juan de Villaseñor", just like the Villaseñor's lineage founder. 

The origin of the use of "Villaseñor" seemed at first to be through Andrés Ruiz de Chávez ancestry, this being because of his mother Leonor's second surname which was "Corona", some genealogists interpreted this surname as being one of the variations used by the children of Juan de Villaseñor II and his wife Catalina Corona, their children used interchangeably the surnames "Villaseñor", "Cervantes" and "Corona", therefore it was thought that maybe she could've been a granddaughter of these two and thus some cited her as having been "Leonor de Chávez Corona de Villaseñor" despite in life only being