opps, I didn't realize I was sending this to the general list.

From: lrivera00@hotmail.com
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: RE: [Nuestros Ranchos] General Digest, Vol 93, Issue 12
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 22:49:34 -0500

Jose,
I was wondering if you had seen the document that said the father was from Queretaro, Michoacan, because if it was written in Spanish it may have said something like "padres de" in that case they may be refering to the father being from Queretaro and the mother from Michoacan. I have seen that sometimes in documents and was confused until I found others that confirmed it. I am asking because it would have been quite normal during that time period before the revolution (1900-1915). There was a a great deal of movement between Guanajuato, Michoacan, & Queretaro rallying support and then people leaving one state to hide out in another. I have family lines that went back and forth between those states during that time period. Bartolo entering the US through Cuba is interesting. I know there were groups who recieved help from Cuba during the revolution.

Here is some information on a Je. Felipe Bartolo De Leon from El Pueblito, Queretaro which isn't really that far from Michoacan (80-100 miles). I don't know I guess you and Arturo can check it out and see what you think.

Baptism Jose Felipe Bartolo Son of Juan de Leon & Ma.
Vicenta Jimenez

San
Francisco Galileo, El Pueblito Queretaro, Mex

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20133-22551-52?cc=1881200…

Marriage for Juan de Leon & Ma. Vicenta Jimenez (parents of Jose Felipe Bartolo De Leon)

Mexico, Querétaro, Cathol...Church Records, 1590-1970 El Pueblito
San Francisco Galileo
Matrimonios 1873-1898Image of 599

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20132-37438-21?cc=1881200…

Also, I am researching a Magana line in Villa Morelos, Michoacan and have a great great great aunt named Feliciana Magana, but I don't know who she married or if she had any children. I'll look into it see if maybe by some chance it could be who you are looking for.

> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 06:14:20 +0100
> From: joselopez1151@ymail.com
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> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] General Digest, Vol 93, Issue 12
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> Yeah, the man found the death record of Mercedes and it list her parents as Antonio Medina and Felicitas Magana. I looked them up on family search but I did not found any baptisms or marriage of them.
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> Jose,
> I looked for both Fernando (1910) and Prodigios(1903) in the baptisms for Quer?ndaro and Zinap?cuaro. I also looked in the civil birth registry for Zinap?cuaro because at that time that is where Quer?ndaro registered their children. I did not find anything. Do you have any more info on Mercedes? Sometimes they would baptize children in the mother's home town especially if it was fairly close to where the family lived.
> L. Rivera
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> > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 22:00:30 +0100
> > From: joselopez1151@ymail.com
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> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help me find Bartolo De Leon!
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> > Okay I am helping this elderly man with his family research. He already
> > has done research and and has gone as far back as the early 1800s in
> > most of his tree. He part of his ancestors come from Aguascalientes.
> > However, the part I want your help is with his fathers side which comes
> > from Michoacan. Arturo ( the guys name) lives in Texas and his great
> > grandparents immigrated to the U.S. His fathers name is Fernando de Leon and according to his death certificate his birthday was May 12, 1910 he past away on July 8, 1996. The parents of Fernando Bartolo de Leon and
> > Mercedes Medina. They also had another son named Prodigios who according to his death certificate his birthday was February 13, 1903. Bartolo
> > was in cuba and arrived to Florida on August 17, 1915. According to
> > Arturo's birth certificate the face of birth of his father (Fernando) is Michoacan
> > Michoacan and in his brothers first certificate it list the face of
> > first of his father as Queretaro Michoacan. As far as we are aware there is no town with the name of queretaro in Michoacan so he things that
> > they probably meant Querendaro Michoacan. I was hoping that maybe I
> > could get people to help me look at the baptisms from around Fernando's
> > and his brothers birth from Michoacan and hope to find them. Or do you
> > guys have a better idea to find Bartolo's parents? I know this is
> > regarding Michoacan and not one of the three states you guys are focus
> > on but I'm hoping you guys can help me or know someone who can. Thank
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Leni,

Have you tried Querendaro Michoacan?

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

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From: Leni Rivera
To: "general@nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] General Digest, Vol 93, Issue 12

Jose,
I was wondering if you had seen the document that said the father was from Queretaro, Michoacan, because if it was written in Spanish it may have said something like "padres de" in that case they may be refering to the father being from Queretaro and the mother from Michoacan. I have seen that sometimes in documents and was confused until I found others that confirmed it. I am asking because it would have been quite normal during that time period before the revolution (1900-1915). There was a a great deal of movement between Guanajuato, Michoacan, & Queretaro rallying support and then people leaving one state to hide out in another.  I have family lines that went back and forth between those states during that time period. Bartolo entering the US through Cuba is interesting. I know there were groups who recieved help from Cuba during the revolution.

Here is some information on a Je. Felipe Bartolo De Leon from El Pueblito, Queretaro which  isn't really that far from Michoacan (80-100 miles). I don't know I guess you and Arturo can check it out and see what you think.

Baptism Jose Felipe Bartolo Son of Juan de Leon & Ma.
Vicenta Jimenez

San
Francisco Galileo, El Pueblito Queretaro, Mex

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20133-22551-52?cc=1881200…

Marriage for Juan de Leon & Ma. Vicenta Jimenez (parents of Jose Felipe Bartolo De Leon)

Mexico, Querétaro, Cathol...Church Records, 1590-1970 El Pueblito
San Francisco Galileo
Matrimonios 1873-1898Image of 599

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20132-37438-21?cc=1881200…

Also, I am researching a Magana line in Villa Morelos, Michoacan and have a great great great aunt named Feliciana Magana, but I don't know who she married or if she had any children. I'll look into it see if maybe by some chance it could be who you are looking for.

> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 06:14:20 +0100
> From: joselopez1151@ymail.com
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] General Digest, Vol 93, Issue 12
>
> Yeah, the man found the death record of Mercedes and it list her parents as Antonio Medina and Felicitas Magana. I looked them up on family search but I did not found any baptisms or marriage of them.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, 16 October 2013, 15:04, "general-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org" wrote:
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> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 21:32:00 -0500
> From: Leni Rivera
> To: "general@nuestrosranchos.org"
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help me find Bartolo De Leon!
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> Jose,
> I looked for both Fernando (1910) and Prodigios(1903) in the baptisms for Quer?ndaro and Zinap?cuaro. I also looked in the civil birth registry for Zinap?cuaro because at that time that is where Quer?ndaro registered their children. I did not find anything. Do you have any more info on Mercedes? Sometimes they would baptize children in the mother's home town especially if it was fairly close to where the family lived.
> L. Rivera
>
> > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 22:00:30 +0100
> > From: joselopez1151@ymail.com
> > To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help me find Bartolo De Leon!
> >
> > Okay I am helping this elderly man with his family research. He already
> > has done research and and has gone as far back as the early 1800s in
> > most of his tree. He part of his ancestors come from Aguascalientes.
> > However, the part I want your help is with his fathers side which comes
> > from Michoacan. Arturo ( the guys name) lives in Texas and his great
> > grandparents immigrated to the U.S. His fathers name is Fernando de Leon and according to his death certificate his birthday was May 12, 1910 he past away on July 8, 1996. The parents of Fernando Bartolo de Leon and
> > Mercedes Medina. They also had another son named Prodigios who according to his death certificate his birthday was February 13, 1903. Bartolo
> > was in cuba and arrived to Florida on August 17, 1915. According to
> > Arturo's birth certificate the face of birth of his father (Fernando) is Michoacan
> > Michoacan and in his brothers first certificate it list the face of
> > first of his father as Queretaro Michoacan. As far as we are aware there is no town with the name of queretaro in Michoacan so he things that
> > they probably meant Querendaro Michoacan. I was hoping that maybe I
> > could get people to help me look at the baptisms from around Fernando's
> > and his brothers birth from Michoacan and hope to find them. Or do you
> > guys have a better idea to find Bartolo's parents? I know this is
> > regarding Michoacan and not one of the three states you guys are focus
> > on but I'm hoping you guys can help me or know someone who can. Thank
> > you
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