Hello Everyone,
I am trying to find information on the Hacienda de las Gallinas, The Rancho del Peñuelo and the Rancho del Pueblito, all located in Pinos, Zacatecas. How to find out who owned them around 1860-1918.
My ggggrandfather was named Juan Jose Acevedo or (de Asevedo), he had
3 sons, Jose Toribio born @ 1773, Jose Maria born @ 1785, and Bernardo born
about 1787, I found all 3 marriage records for them but could not find their birth
For those that are researching on Colotlan, I have in my library a book
"Compendio de la historia de Colotlan" compilador: Prof. Felipe Valdez
Pacheco, 1591-2000
It contains mostly history of the foundation of Colotlan, the first
inhabitants, first Spanish Villa, Colonial, Independence, Cristiada,
Revolution and modern times.
It has a limited genealogy but it contains a list of the indios de Tlaxcala
they came to live among the chichimecas in 1591. List of government
authorities from 1591-1998, list of Religious individuals 1589-2000, and
list of some known people that die in the 1900's. and some biography of
some individuals.
If any one want for me to look for some thing special I will be happy to
look it up and share the information.
Sylvia H Corona
Hi Silvia,
Thank you for your offer to look in the book on Colotlan. I'm interested in finding information on 6 people (3 couples), ancestors of mine, who lived there around 1740. They are:
Agustin Enriquez and Maria Josefa de la Torre (or del Castillo)
Alejandro Marquez de los Olivos y Agustina (or Agueda) de Escobedo
Jose de la Trinidad Flores and María Gertrudis de Ortega
Any information on them will be very appreciated.
regards,
Hector Felix Aizcorbe> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> From: SCorona@rcac.org> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:55:47 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Books on Colotlan> > > > For those that are researching on Colotlan, I have in my library a book> "Compendio de la historia de Colotlan" compilador: Prof. Felipe Valdez> Pacheco, 1591-2000> It contains mostly history of the foundation of Colotlan, the first> inhabitants, first Spanish Villa, Colonial, Independence, Cristiada,> Revolution and modern times.> It has a limited genealogy but it contains a list of the indios de Tlaxcala> they came to live among the chichimecas in 1591. List of government> authorities from 1591-1998, list of Religious individuals 1589-2000, and> list of some known people that die in the 1900's. and some biography of> some individuals.> > If any one want for me to look for some thing special I will be happy to> look it up and share the information.> > Sylvia H Corona> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
Hector:
I too am descendant from Agustin Enriquez and Maria Josepha del Castillo through their son Juan Joseph and his wife Josefa Antonia Madera:
http://www.ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I1375
My paternal grandmother's surnames were Gutierrez Enriquez.
I would love to get a copy of the book that Silvia mentions. It seems the author, who is an ex-mayor of Colotlan, is still active academically... perhaps we can track him down. I would also like to get a copy of a couple of other Colotlan history books. One is by Nicolas Valdes Huerta and Jean Meyer and another by Renato Haro Ortega and Bernardo Carlos Casas.
Arturo:
I'm descendant from Roberto Enriquez and his wife Juana Antonia Josefa Rosalia, but haven't been able to go beyond theirs parents, as well as oh Alejandro Márquez de los Olivos and Agustina de Escobedo.
I've tried to find the books by these authors without success. If anyone knows where to get them, please let us know.
regaqrds,
Héctor
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: arturo.ramos2@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:16:13 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Agustin Enriquez in Colotlan> > > Hector:> > I too am descendant from Agustin Enriquez and Maria Josepha del Castillo through their son Juan Joseph and his wife Josefa Antonia Madera:> > http://www.ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I1375> > My paternal grandmother's surnames were Gutierrez Enriquez.> > I would love to get a copy of the book that Silvia mentions. It seems the author, who is an ex-mayor of Colotlan, is still active academically... perhaps we can track him down. I would also like to get a copy of a couple of other Colotlan history books. One is by Nicolas Valdes Huerta and Jean Meyer and another by Renato Haro Ortega and Bernardo Carlos Casas.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
Hello Hector,
Your message caught by attention since I too am researching the Marquez de los Olivos from the Colotlan area. I am acutally researching two different families whom I suspect are related to one another but I haven't found their common ancestor yet. One couple are my 7th great-grandparents from my father's side and the other couple are my 6th great-grandparents from my mother's side.
(1) Phelipe MARQUES DE LOS OLIBOS married Francisca Xaviera SANCHEZ.
Their children were as follows:
i. Joseph MARQUES DE LOS OLIBOS. He married on 28 Jan 1732 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico Monica Josepha ROSALES, daughter of Joseph ROSALES and Phelipa de la Trinidad (---).
ii. Joseph MARQUES. He married on 1 Nov 1735 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico Simona RAMIREZ, daughter of Diego RAMIREZ and Maria DE ORTEGA.
iii. Maria Manuela MARQUES. She married Francisco BONILLA.
iv. Josepha MARQUES SANCHEZ, christened 9 May 1720 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
v. Ana de San Joachin MARQUES SANCHEZ, christened 25 Oct 1722 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
vi. Francisco Xavier MARQUES DE LOS OLIBOS. He married on 22 Feb 1751 in Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico Maria Narciza SANCHEZ CASTELLANO, daughter of Phelipe Manuel SANCHEZ and Josepha de los Santos SANDOVAL.
vii. Joseph Antonio MARQUES. He married on 3 Mar 1726 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico Juana Francisca GAMBOA, daughter of Augustin DE GAMBOA and Simona DE ORTEGA
(2) Francisco MARQUES DE LOS OLIBOS married Theresa RAMIREZ DE LA ROSA.
Their children were as follows:
i. Luiza Theresa MARQUES DE LOS OLIBOS. She married on 12 Jun 1740 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico Juan Mathias DE CARDENAS, son of Bartholome DE CARDENAS and Barbara GUTIERRES.
ii. Antonia Petronila MARQUES RAMIREZ, christened 12 Jul 1719 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. She married on 12 Jun 1740 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico Christobal de los Santos DE CARDENAS, son of Bartholome DE CARDENAS and Barbara GUTIERRES.
iii. Mathias Nicolas MARQUES RAMIREZ, christened 12 Apr 1722 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. He married (1) on 10 Jul 1748 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico Juana Anttonia ROMERO RAMIREZ, christened 5 Jul 1733 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico, daughter of Francisco Xavier ROMERO and Maria de la Trinidad RAMIREZ; (2) on 24 Oct 1752 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico Antonia Marcela DE RESA.
iv. Mathias MARQUES RAMIREZ, christened 28 Dec 1724 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
v. Pedro MARQUES RAMIREZ, christened 11 Mar 1728 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
vi. Juan de Dios Joseph MARQUES RAMIREZ, christened 9 Apr 1733 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
vii. Rosalia MARQUES RAMIREZ, christened 11 Jan 1737 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.
Your other couple, "Jose de la Trinidad Flores and María Gertrudis de Ortega" look familar also. I am going to check my notes and see what I can find on them.
Let me know if anything looks familar.
Thanks,
Angie Godina
Hi Angie,
I have identified the 2 couples that you mentioned, but none seems to be the parents of my Alejandro Marquez de los Olivos, unless Alejandro was born before the first date of parish records kept in Colotlan.
I have the following parents for the first couple:
Jose Marquez de los Olivos (son of Miguel Marquez de los Olivos y Luisa de Figueroa) and Gertrudis Rincon de Ortega, married in Cienega de Mata on 16th December, 1671.
Bartolome Sanchez and Josefa Cabañez.
Jose de la Trinidad Flores and Gertrudis de Ortega were mestizos. In all but one of the entries for their children Jose de la Trinidad appears only with that name, without "Flores". If you find something on them, please let me know.
Regards,
Hector
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: aajay1073@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:04:00 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Marquez de los Olivos from Colotlan, Jalisco> > > Hello Hector,> > Your message caught by attention since I too am researching the Marquez de los Olivos from the Colotlan area. I am acutally researching two different families whom I suspect are related to one another but I haven't found their common ancestor yet. One couple are my 7th great-grandparents from my father's side and the other couple are my 6th great-grandparents from my mother's side.> > (1) Phelipe MARQUES DE LOS OLIBOS married Francisca Xaviera SANCHEZ.> > Their children were as follows:> i. Joseph MARQUES DE LOS OLIBOS. He married on 28 Jan 1732 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico Monica Josepha ROSALES, daughter of Joseph ROSALES and Phelipa de la Trinidad (---).> ii. Joseph MARQUES. He married on 1 Nov 1735 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico Simona RAMIREZ, daughter of Diego RAMIREZ and Maria DE ORTEGA.> iii. Maria Manuela MARQUES. She married Francisco BONILLA.> iv. Josepha MARQUES SANCHEZ, christened 9 May 1720 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.> v. Ana de San Joachin MARQUES SANCHEZ, christened 25 Oct 1722 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.> vi. Francisco Xavier MARQUES DE LOS OLIBOS. He married on 22 Feb 1751 in Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico Maria Narciza SANCHEZ CASTELLANO, daughter of Phelipe Manuel SANCHEZ and Josepha de los Santos SANDOVAL.> vii. Joseph Antonio MARQUES. He married on 3 Mar 1726 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico Juana Francisca GAMBOA, daughter of Augustin DE GAMBOA and Simona DE ORTEGA> > (2) Francisco MARQUES DE LOS OLIBOS married Theresa RAMIREZ DE LA ROSA.> > Their children were as follows:> i. Luiza Theresa MARQUES DE LOS OLIBOS. She married on 12 Jun 1740 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico Juan Mathias DE CARDENAS, son of Bartholome DE CARDENAS and Barbara GUTIERRES.> ii. Antonia Petronila MARQUES RAMIREZ, christened 12 Jul 1719 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. She married on 12 Jun 1740 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico Christobal de los Santos DE CARDENAS, son of Bartholome DE CARDENAS and Barbara GUTIERRES.> iii. Mathias Nicolas MARQUES RAMIREZ, christened 12 Apr 1722 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. He married (1) on 10 Jul 1748 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico Juana Anttonia ROMERO RAMIREZ, christened 5 Jul 1733 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico, daughter of Francisco Xavier ROMERO and Maria de la Trinidad RAMIREZ; (2) on 24 Oct 1752 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico Antonia Marcela DE RESA.> iv. Mathias MARQUES RAMIREZ, christened 28 Dec 1724 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.> v. Pedro MARQUES RAMIREZ, christened 11 Mar 1728 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.> vi. Juan de Dios Joseph MARQUES RAMIREZ, christened 9 Apr 1733 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.> vii. Rosalia MARQUES RAMIREZ, christened 11 Jan 1737 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.> > Your other couple, "Jose de la Trinidad Flores and María Gertrudis de Ortega" look familar also. I am going to check my notes and see what I can find on them.> > Let me know if anything looks familar.> > Thanks,> Angie Godina> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
Hi nuestros ranchos,
Click on the link below to view the video sylvia H Corona has sent to you
from Biography.com
Pancho Villa [Video 3:00]
Play: http://www.biography.com/broadband/main.do?video=pancho-thc-most-pancho…
Arturo,
I'll be pleased to do as you request/suggest.
Efrain
> [Original Message]
> From: arturoramos
> To:
> Date: 9/3/2007 6:48:20 PM
in the latest SomosPrimosn
(http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2007/spsep07/spsep07.htm) here is a write up:
*Nuestra Familia Unida
*
Frank Moreno Sifuentes has once again come up with some interesting oral
For those interested in doing research relating to the Pueblo of Santa Anita, Jalisco, here is a listing of 6 Film/Batch numbers not listed in the Films section of Nuestros Ranchos:
Film 0224902/Batch C603041 1759-1767 Santa Anita, Jalisco
Efrain:
Thank you so much for your work in compiling the numbers of these batch numbers for the parrish of Santa Anita. It appears that this parrish is now part of the municipality of Tlaquepaque, so given the way our database is organized, these films and batch numbers should be entered under that municipality.
Please let us know if you can do that... you should designate them for the particular parrish (e.g. Baptisms Santa Anita 1871-1875) in the description. If you are unable to do it, we can find someone else to enter them.
Thank you again.
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Subject: Books for sale
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 16:00:03 -0500
From: larry kirkpatrick
*Announcing new book for sale:*
* *
Hello,
I hope I am understanding your request to send the following URL and family
reintroduction:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16227
My grandmother:
Dora Walters
b 18 Feb 1923
Alamogordo, NM
Does anyone have a family line that taps into this one? I am afraid there is not mich info, which is why I came to this site. I hope to find others who have relatives in common and that we can share information. I am not even sure this is the place to post this, but here goes! This is my addition to the database:
If you know the date that your grandparents crossed you can probably
find their border crossing records which will have their birthdates,
birthplaces and other valuable information. Do you know where they
crossed the border? In addition, their social security records will
have their parents' names.
Is this one of your relatives?
NIEVES ROBLES 01 Nov 1909 Apr 1984
78228 (San Antonio, Bexar, TX) (none specified) 464-52-6298 Texas
>From what sources have you compiled this information? Have you
searched the IGI and VRI on familysearch.org to try to find your
grandparents or great-grandparents?
You should post this very detailed and informative message as your
representative genealogy in a file folder to make it easy for members
to locate the information later on.
Thanks for sharing.
Hi Arturo
As far as I know the Nieves Robles you mentioned is not a relative but on the other hand the name is not that common...
I think they crossed at El Paso, Tx. I will look up the social security info, I believe Ihave both their numbers.
Re the sources, it is from death certificates and my grandfathers own writings - I have a sheet on which he listed all the family birthdays, the date the crossed the border, etc. The great grandparents' names came from family members. Unfortunately this family didn't care too much about genealogy until I came along, and now the older siblings, including my dad, are gone but I will be talking to younger ones.
Thank you for your assistance and suggestions, I appreciate it!
John
Arturo Ramos wrote:
John:
If you know the date that your grandparents crossed you can probably
find their border crossing records which will have their birthdates,
birthplaces and other valuable information. Do you know where they
crossed the border? In addition, their social security records will
have their parents' names.
Is this one of your relatives?
NIEVES ROBLES 01 Nov 1909 Apr 1984
78228 (San Antonio, Bexar, TX) (none specified) 464-52-6298 Texas
>From what sources have you compiled this information? Have you
searched the IGI and VRI on familysearch.org to try to find your
grandparents or great-grandparents?
You should post this very detailed and informative message as your
representative genealogy in a file folder to make it easy for members
to locate the information later on.
Thanks for sharing.
John:
Your father's own baptism certificate will likely list his grandparents. If you know what parrish in Aguascalientes he was baptized in, you can probably get the film for that parrish through the Family History Center and then you would have four of your great-granparents' names documented.
Also, do you know what present-day municipality Ojo de Agua de Rosales and Hacienda de los Campos are in? I looked in Cubas' Diccionario Geogafico and only found an "Ojo de Agua" (with no Rosales) in Aguascalientes in the partido of Calvillo... but it may now be a different municipality.
Also, the IGI shows a number of children born around the time of your grandfather with the parents listed as Marcial Robles and Panfila Munoz. Strange coincidence? Perhaps a thread worth following. I can't seem to tell what film the entries are coming from, however:
MARIA
Female
Christening:
15 AUG 1869 Nuestra Senora De Belen, Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Parents:
Father: MARCIAL ROBLES Family
Mother: PANFILA MUNOZ
Source Information:
Batch No.: C646201 Film
Maria Rafaela
Female
Christening:
31 OCT 1872 Nuestra Senora De Belen, Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Parents:
Father: Marcial Robles Family
Mother: Panfila Muñoz
Source Information:
Batch No.: C646202
This is an old posting, and I haven't been here in a while, but I found through diligent search in IGI the name 'Marcial Robles Ojeda', born in San Jose, Calvillo, Ags. This is thrilling to me because my great grandfather's name was Marcial, but I didn't know where he came from. My grandfather Nieves, however, was born in Ojo de Agua de Rosales, and Ojo de Agua is listed as also being in the partido of Calvillo, so this is very likely my great grandfather! He was born in 1839, and my grandfather was born in 1884, so Marcial would have been 45 when Nieves was born, which is entirely likely. I am leaning toward this being my great grandfather, from the year, the location and the name. As a bonus, it lists his parents names, Juan de Robles and Ynocencia Ojeda!! Yay!
John Robles
arturoramos wrote:
John:
Your father's own baptism certificate will likely list his grandparents. If you know what parrish in Aguascalientes he was baptized in, you can probably get the film for that parrish through the Family History Center and then you would have four of your great-granparents' names documented.
Also, do you know what present-day municipality Ojo de Agua de Rosales and Hacienda de los Campos are in? I looked in Cubas' Diccionario Geogafico and only found an "Ojo de Agua" (with no Rosales) in Aguascalientes in the partido of Calvillo... but it may now be a different municipality.
Also, the IGI shows a number of children born around the time of your grandfather with the parents listed as Marcial Robles and Panfila Munoz. Strange coincidence? Perhaps a thread worth following. I can't seem to tell what film the entries are coming from, however:
MARIA
Female
Christening:
15 AUG 1869 Nuestra Senora De Belen, Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Parents:
Father: MARCIAL ROBLES Family
Mother: PANFILA MUNOZ
Source Information:
Batch No.: C646201 Film
Maria Rafaela
Female
Christening:
31 OCT 1872 Nuestra Senora De Belen, Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Parents:
Father: Marcial Robles Family
Mother: Panfila Muñoz
Source Information:
Batch No.: C646202
Efrain,
The site is actually http://search.labs.familysearch.org (URL may change
someday) not www.familysearch.org It is a new site, which will host all the
digitally published collections of the Family History Dept./FamilySearch. The
Lynn,
I am one of those (7,000) Beta testers of the Pilot for FamilySearch Labs'
"Record Search", and when Brady indicated his accessing the 1930 Mexico
Census data at familysearch.org , it raised a question about an alternate
way to consult this census that I might not have been aware.
Those focusing on Jalisco may want to note that, officially, the State of
Jalisco is divided/composed of 126 "municipalities" and, for personal
assistance in my continuing research through Jalisco and Mexico records, I
have compiled a comparison listing of those Jalisco municipalities
presently listed in the "Record Search Browse Collection" of the 1930
Mexico Census being tested.
The Jalisco portion of the Browse Collection in the Pilot includes 107 of
these municipalities, with 29 not listed in the Collection (missing or
"lost" as you previously very ably indicated), and 6 areas that I will call
"comarcas" that are not designated as official municipalities (Amatitan,
Arenal, Ayo el Chico, Ciudad Guzman, Purificacion, and Villa Obregon).
In the near and anxiously-awaited future, Mexico genealogy researchers will
have available a very important new tool with the ability to consult and
view online images of its1930 census records. We can all be very thankful
to the LDS Church for this project and all of its Family History efforts, -
- - and to Lynn for her interest in keeping the Nuestros Ranchos 'family'
informed about this program, and her clarifications and updates.
Efrain
> [Original Message]
> From: Lynn Turner
> To:
> Date: 8/31/2007 1:56:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Etzatlan and the 1930 census (Brady
Umfleet
>
> Efrain,
>
> The site is actually http://search.labs.familysearch.org (URL may change
> someday) not www.familysearch.org It is a new site, which will host all
the
> digitally published collections of the Family History Dept./FamilySearch.
The
> site is in testing mode (about 7,000) users at current time.
>
> You should also be aware that the 1930 Mexican census will be indexed
soon too.
> It will become an available indexing project on
> http://www.familysearchindexing.org I hope everyone helps index it once it
> becomes available, which should be sooner than later.
>
> Lynn
>
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I was hoping that no one would ask...lol.
A preliminary survey has been done by a colleague of mine, however, they feel
that before it's published (or let me publish it on my blog) they would like to
Our (meaning the US) National Archives or the Mexican National
Archives? Marge
On Aug 30, 2007, at 4:31 PM, Lynn Turner wrote:
> I was hoping that no one would ask...lol.
>
> A preliminary survey has been done by a colleague of mine, however,
> they feel
> that before it's published (or let me publish it on my blog) they
> would like to
> clean it up. The survey went a little something like this...The "Datos
> Preliminares, Sujetos a Rectificacion del Censo General de Havitantes
> de 1930
> por Municipios," on film #0547084 item 11, was consulted then crossed
> checked
> against the GSU's (Genealogical Society of Utah aka Family History
> Dept. aka
> FamilySearch) collection of the census. Many municipios were found to
> be missing
> (about 300 or just over 10% of all muncipios through out Mexico), and
> when it
> was suggested that the GSU go back and pick up the missing municipios
> they were
> told that we had filmed them all.
>
> With that said the GSU filmed the 1930 census from the National
> Archives...some
> states and/or municipios may have copies of the alleged "lost"
> records. Also,
> nearly 20 years have passed since the census was microfilmed by the
> GSU, which
> is plenty of time for the National Archives to dust off old books and
> discover
> other municipios that may have been misplaced in 1987.
>
> So, the short answer to your question: "what do you mean by lost?"
> Lost or
> misplaced by the National Archives. And, to answer Brady's question:
> both
> Torreon, Coahuila and Tlaltenango (listed as just Sanchez Ramon in the
> list of
> municpios in 1930), Zacatecas are on the preliminary "lost" list.
>
> I hope the explanation wasn't too confusing...
>
> Lynn
>
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When I mentioned the National Archives I was referring to the Mexico National
Archive.
Lynn
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I need help researching a Tomas Xaques(Jaques, Jaquez). He was from Sombrerete , Zacatecas .
He married in 1679 in San Juan del Rio, Durango. So I estimate he was born about 1654.
The baptismal records there begin at 1679 and the matrimonies at 1695 so they are not much use.
I've done several genealogy presentations--one for our local genealogy society and two for our local library. I enjoyed doing them but the best part was showing people HOW to do their own. I had a computer set up and a big screen, then I went to the Familysearch.org.
Jonathan, thank you for the web site. I just joined. I work crazy hours I hope that I can answer you all that you might require.
Mary
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>From: Jonathan
>Sent: Aug 28, 2007 8:16 PM
>To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealogy Presenters
>
>Mary,
>
>I teach my class online, through Family History Live Online (for details go
>to: www.familyhistoryliveonline.com ). I have had only one person attend
>the last couple weeks. So it has been very personalized.
>
>Jonathan
>
>--------- Original Message --------
>From: general@nuestrosranchos.org
>To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealogy Presenters
>Date: 08/28/07 15:06
>
>> Hi Jonathan, where do you teach your class? I live in Pomona, CA Hope
>you are near.
>>
>> thank you
>> Mary
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: mexicanfhr
>> >Sent: Aug 28, 2007 7:45 PM
>> >To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>> >Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealogy Presenters
>> >
>> >
>> >Hello All,
>> >
>> >I just had a quick question, for everyone. How many of us, here in
>the Ranchos group, teach research classes or give genealogy presentations?
>> >
>> >And I will be the first to say that, I do (In fact I teach a weekly
>class, and will be presenting at 2 conferences in September).
>> >
>> >thanks,
>> >Jonathan
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>>
Jonathan, thank you for the web site. I just joined. I work crazy hours I hope that I can answer you all that you might require.
Mary
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jonathan
>Sent: Aug 28, 2007 8:16 PM
>To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealogy Presenters
>
>Mary,
>
>I teach my class online, through Family History Live Online (for details go
>to: www.familyhistoryliveonline.com ). I have had only one person attend
>the last couple weeks. So it has been very personalized.
>
>Jonathan
>
>--------- Original Message --------
>From: general@nuestrosranchos.org
>To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealogy Presenters
>Date: 08/28/07 15:06
>
>> Hi Jonathan, where do you teach your class? I live in Pomona, CA Hope
>you are near.
>>
>> thank you
>> Mary
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: mexicanfhr
>> >Sent: Aug 28, 2007 7:45 PM
>> >To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>> >Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealogy Presenters
>> >
>> >
>> >Hello All,
>> >
>> >I just had a quick question, for everyone. How many of us, here in
>the Ranchos group, teach research classes or give genealogy presentations?
>> >
>> >And I will be the first to say that, I do (In fact I teach a weekly
>class, and will be presenting at 2 conferences in September).
>> >
>> >thanks,
>> >Jonathan
>> >-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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>> >
>> >To post, send email to:
>> >general(at)nuestrosranchos.org
>> >
>> >To change your subscription, log on to:
>> >http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>>
Hello All,
I just had a quick question, for everyone. How many of us, here in the Ranchos group, teach research classes or give genealogy presentations?
And I will be the first to say that, I do (In fact I teach a weekly class, and will be presenting at 2 conferences in September).
Hi Jonathan, where do you teach your class? I live in Pomona, CA Hope you are near.
thank you
Mary
-----Original Message-----
>From: mexicanfhr
>Sent: Aug 28, 2007 7:45 PM
>To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealogy Presenters
>
>
>Hello All,
>
>I just had a quick question, for everyone. How many of us, here in the Ranchos group, teach research classes or give genealogy presentations?
>
>And I will be the first to say that, I do (In fact I teach a weekly class, and will be presenting at 2 conferences in September).
>
>thanks,
>Jonathan
Mary,
I teach my class online, through Family History Live Online (for details go
to: www.familyhistoryliveonline.com ). I have had only one person attend
the last couple weeks. So it has been very personalized.
Jonathan
--------- Original Message --------
From: general@nuestrosranchos.org
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealogy Presenters
Date: 08/28/07 15:06
> Hi Jonathan, where do you teach your class? I live in Pomona, CA Hope
you are near.
>
> thank you
> Mary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: mexicanfhr
> >Sent: Aug 28, 2007 7:45 PM
> >To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> >Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealogy Presenters
> >
> >
> >Hello All,
> >
> >I just had a quick question, for everyone. How many of us, here in
the Ranchos group, teach research classes or give genealogy presentations?
> >
> >And I will be the first to say that, I do (In fact I teach a weekly
class, and will be presenting at 2 conferences in September).
> >
> >thanks,
> >Jonathan
> >-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> >Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List
> >
> >To post, send email to:
> >general(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> >To change your subscription, log on to:
> >http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>
I've presented about three times at local (southern California) genealogy
workshops.
~Deena~
Deena,
Hola, my name is manuel Quintanar and have been a member of this wonderful
and helpful group for a while, but never introduce myself.
I live in Pasadena, California and came from a rancho called Milpillas De La
Sierra in Zacatecas. My apellidos are Quintanar, Agudo, Luna and Reyes.
I'm interested in attending a genealogy workshop around Southern Cal.
Gracias,
Manuel.
>From: "Deena Ortiz"
>Reply-To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
>To:
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealogy Presenters
>Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:18:12 -0700
>
>
> I've presented about three times at local (southern California) genealogy
>workshops.
>
>~Deena~
>
>
The Etzatlan, Jalisco portion of the 1930 Mexican Census was lost. I'll try to
come up with a more inclusive list of places that were 'lost.'
Lynn
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lynn:
Thank you for your response to Brady regarding the Etzatlan census records. There was an earlier inquiry along the same lines for the census records from Torreon, Coahuila and Tlaltenango, Zacatecas by Chris Pineda:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16129
Do you know if those records were also lost. What exactly do you mean by "lost"? Does the Mexican government no longer have the enumeration sheets for those municipalities?
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¡Sé un mejor besador!
Comparte todo lo que sabes sobre besos en:
http://mx.yahoo.com/promos/mejorbesador.html
Espero que este correo sí les llegue bien y si no es así, es únicamente para que tengan conocimiento de la página web que contiene la Guía General del Archivo General de la Nación.
La página es: www.agn.gob.mx/guiageneral
Saludos a todos. Ricardo Chávez Ruiz Esparza
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¡Sé un mejor fotógrafo!
Perfecciona tu técnica y encuentra las mejores fotos en:
http://mx.yahoo.com/promos/mejorambientalista.html
Ricardo:
Gracias por tu mensaje sobre la Guia del AGN. Tenemos un vincula a la guia en nuestra seccion de vinculos.
Desafortunadamente, la programacion del interfaz no parece ser bien planificada. Habemos varios miembros que hemos tenido problemas ya que solamente parece funcionar en Explorer. Yo he escrito correos electronicos sobre el tema al personal sin recibir respuesta.
De cualquier modo, cuando tengo acceso a una computadora con Explorer, lo he usado con bastante exito. Recien estuve en el AGN y lamentablemente solamente pude pasar un dia, pero el dia fue muy productivo y el personal en la planta fue muy amable.
Ahora si solamente pudieran poner scans de los documentos en linea...
Hello everybody,
Although I am 56 years old, I am the "Benjamin member" of Nuestros Ranchos
..com
I am searching the ancestry of my grandfather, Jose Michel Vazquez
(1897-1990), married to Luz Lopez Pelayo (1898-1984). I believe both were
Felipe:
As Lina mentioned in her message to you, the following record is the key to getting back another generation in your Michel lineage. Because the names of the parents were not extracted into IGI, you will need to go to a family history center and order the film to read the actual record.
If you have not yet done so, seeing old records like that (even on microfilm) is very exciting. You should be able to scan or at least photocopy it for your own records...
DIEGO MICHEL
Spouse: MA. VICENTA ABILA
Marriage: 21 JUL 1828 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
Batch No. M602638 Film No. 1155448
You can find your nearest family history center on familysearch.org
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp
While you are there, I would suggest you order some of the other films with baptisms, etc. from Autlan as well so you can read the original documents for your other ancestors as well. There is often a lot of interesting information, i.e. the names of the ranchos where they lived, the names of their padrinos, and often their occupations, etc.
As Arturo mentioned this marriage record could take you back another generation unless they were both previously married. The records for previous married people don't always include parents unfortunatley. That's another reason it's important to record padrinos and witness's, sometimes they are the clue that finds you the correct family ties. I know once you read your first family record you'll be hooked just like the rest of us, finding our own information is much more exciting than just having someone else tell you names and dates.
I look forward to hearing from you after you've read your own very first family record.
Linda in B.C.
arturoramos wrote:
Felipe:
As Lina mentioned in her message to you, the following record is the key to getting back another generation in your Michel lineage. Because the names of the parents were not extracted into IGI, you will need to go to a family history center and order the film to read the actual record.
If you have not yet done so, seeing old records like that (even on microfilm) is very exciting. You should be able to scan or at least photocopy it for your own records...
DIEGO MICHEL
Spouse: MA. VICENTA ABILA
Marriage: 21 JUL 1828 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
Batch No. M602638 Film No. 1155448
You can find your nearest family history center on familysearch.org
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp
While you are there, I would suggest you order some of the other films with baptisms, etc. from Autlan as well so you can read the original documents for your other ancestors as well. There is often a lot of interesting information, i.e. the names of the ranchos where they lived, the names of their padrinos, and often their occupations, etc.
Erlinda,
Yes, I am eager to obtain and read my first family record. Hope I can tackle
that soon.
I have mixed feelings, on one hand I am excited with an upcoming trip to
Spain --a solid month and a bit-- and on the other hand a little frustrated
because of the cosequent temporay suspension of my family search. I know I
should not complain, the records will not go anywhere else while I am away
from home.
Hasta la vista ¡
Felipe Michel Olmo
>From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Michel in Ejutla
>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:51:35 -0700 (PDT)
>
>As Arturo mentioned this marriage record could take you back another
>generation unless they were both previously married. The records for
>previous married people don't always include parents unfortunatley. That's
>another reason it's important to record padrinos and witness's, sometimes
>they are the clue that finds you the correct family ties. I know once you
>read your first family record you'll be hooked just like the rest of us,
>finding our own information is much more exciting than just having someone
>else tell you names and dates.
> I look forward to hearing from you after you've read your own very first
>family record.
> Linda in B.C.
>
>arturoramos wrote:
>
>Felipe:
>
>As Lina mentioned in her message to you, the following record is the key to
>getting back another generation in your Michel lineage. Because the names
>of the parents were not extracted into IGI, you will need to go to a family
>history center and order the film to read the actual record.
>
>If you have not yet done so, seeing old records like that (even on
>microfilm) is very exciting. You should be able to scan or at least
>photocopy it for your own records...
>
>DIEGO MICHEL
>Spouse: MA. VICENTA ABILA
>Marriage: 21 JUL 1828 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
>Batch No. M602638 Film No. 1155448
>
>You can find your nearest family history center on familysearch.org
>
>http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp
>
>While you are there, I would suggest you order some of the other films with
>baptisms, etc. from Autlan as well so you can read the original documents
>for your other ancestors as well. There is often a lot of interesting
>information, i.e. the names of the ranchos where they lived, the names of
>their padrinos, and often their occupations, etc.
Felipe:
No te preocupes por tomarte unas merecidas vacaciones a Espana, las
filminas van a estar esperando.
Si mandas pedir las filminas a la "Family Research Center" de los Mormones,
se tardan unas tres semanas en llegar, asi es de que para cuando regreses
van a estar esperandote.
Yo tambien estoy esperando con muchas ansias que descubras de cuales
Micheles de Ejutla desciendes para poderte conectar con el gran Arbol de la
familia MICHEL.
Por lo menos ya sabemos que DOn Pio Michel fue testigo del matrimonio de
unos de los hijos de Don Pedro Regalado Michel Corona y de dona Ana Maria
Corona Vazquez y a su vez don Ramon Mariano Michel Corona y Leandra Lopez
fueron padres de Don Isidro Michel.
Asi es de que estamos cerca de saber cual es la connecion y entonces podras
conocer muchas historias en la pagina de la familia CORonaGOdoyMIchelURIbe
(CorGoMiUri).
Regresa pronto
Sylvia H Corona
Arturo,
Yes, I have now a couple of Family History Center addresses here in Mexico
City. So far no one is answering the telephone. Since they are not far from
where I live, I plan to visit them next week to order the microfilm. I do
not have it in my hands yet, but I am already excited ¡
Mil Gracias ¡
Felipe Michel Olmo
>From: arturoramos
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Michel in Ejutla
>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:31:56 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>Felipe:
>
>As Lina mentioned in her message to you, the following record is the key to
>getting back another generation in your Michel lineage. Because the names
>of the parents were not extracted into IGI, you will need to go to a family
>history center and order the film to read the actual record.
>
>If you have not yet done so, seeing old records like that (even on
>microfilm) is very exciting. You should be able to scan or at least
>photocopy it for your own records...
>
>DIEGO MICHEL
>Spouse: MA. VICENTA ABILA
>Marriage: 21 JUL 1828 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
>Batch No. M602638 Film No. 1155448
>
>You can find your nearest family history center on familysearch.org
>
>http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp
>
>While you are there, I would suggest you order some of the other films with
>baptisms, etc. from Autlan as well so you can read the original documents
>for your other ancestors as well. There is often a lot of interesting
>information, i.e. the names of the ranchos where they lived, the names of
>their padrinos, and often their occupations, etc.
Felipe:
Si estas en el DF, creo que posiblemente seria mas facil y conveniente ir al Archivo General de la Nacion. Me imagino que tienen horarios mas amplios ya que solamente los centros de historia familiar suelen estar abiertos cinco o seis dias por semana. La mayoria abren dos o tres dias por unas cuantas horas solamente ya que carecen voluntarios.
Me parece que tienen alli disponibles todos lor rollos de microfilmacion de registros parroquiales que han hecho los mormones en Mexico. Me imagino que a cambio del permiso de microfilmar, donaron copias de la microfilmacion.
De la pagina http://www.agn.gob.mx/inicio.php?cu=sp&sc=servicios&tr=serpu03:
Parte del material que conserva el Archivo General de la Nación está integrado por microfilms, fotocopias y transcripciones de archivos, colecciones y documentos de diversa procedencia, cuyos originales pertenecen a otras instituciones de México y del extranjero. Destacan por su importancia la colección latinoamericana Nettie Lee Benson; Universidad de Texas, en Austin, y los microfilms de la Academia Mexicana de Genealogía y Heráldica, que contienen los registros parroquiales de todo el país.
Yo estuve en el Archivo hace un par de meses y fueron muy amables y lamentablemente tuve solamente un dia, pero encortre muchisimos documentos utiles sobre la colonia tlaxcalteca de Colotlan, Jalisco.
Arturo,
Me voy a dar una vuelta tambien al AGN. Ya te contare como me fue.
Nuevamente gracias por los tips.
Tu en donde radicas ?
Felipe Michel Olmo
>From: arturoramos
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Viewing Films in Mexico City
>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:38:22 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>Felipe:
>
>Si estas en el DF, creo que posiblemente seria mas facil y conveniente ir
>al Archivo General de la Nacion. Me imagino que tienen horarios mas
>amplios ya que solamente los centros de historia familiar suelen estar
>abiertos cinco o seis dias por semana. La mayoria abren dos o tres dias
>por unas cuantas horas solamente ya que carecen voluntarios.
>
>Me parece que tienen alli disponibles todos lor rollos de microfilmacion de
>registros parroquiales que han hecho los mormones en Mexico. Me imagino
>que a cambio del permiso de microfilmar, donaron copias de la
>microfilmacion.
>
>De la pagina
>http://www.agn.gob.mx/inicio.php?cu=sp&sc=servicios&tr=serpu03:
>
>Parte del material que conserva el Archivo General de la Nación está
>integrado por microfilms, fotocopias y transcripciones de archivos,
>colecciones y documentos de diversa procedencia, cuyos originales
>pertenecen a otras instituciones de México y del extranjero. Destacan por
>su importancia la colección latinoamericana Nettie Lee Benson; Universidad
>de Texas, en Austin, y los microfilms de la Academia Mexicana de
>GenealogÃa y Heráldica, que contienen los registros parroquiales de todo
>el paÃs.
>
>Yo estuve en el Archivo hace un par de meses y fueron muy amables y
>lamentablemente tuve solamente un dia, pero encortre muchisimos documentos
>utiles sobre la colonia tlaxcalteca de Colotlan, Jalisco.
>
>
Felipe,
Me da mucho gusto saber que los tips que te proporcionaron los miembros del grupo hayan sido utiles. Ya habian pasado un par de meses sin mucha actividad en el grupo y ya lo extra~aba un poco, asi que tus preguntas y las respuestas que elicitaste han hecho el grupo despertar un poco.
Creo que debe haber muchos nuevos miembros en el grupo que aun no se han presentado y aun no han hecho como tu y quisiera tomar esta oportunidad para que lo hagan. Creo que los integrates del grupo aqui son muy caricativos con sus investigaciones y les gusta mucho compartir lo que saben.
A tu pregunta de donde radico, la respuesta es Washington, DC, aunque les parezca a algunos miembros (Esperanza?) que vivo en este sitio... Como no tengo mucho trabajo en la oficina estos dias y no me gusta estar aburrido, me he puesto con proyectitos de genealogia de nuevo.
This marriage record for Diego may give you their parents.
DIEGO MICHEL Pedigree Male Family
---------------------------------
Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial:
---------------------------------
Marriages: Spouse: MA. VICENTA ABILA Family Marriage: 21 JUL 1828 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
---------------------------------
Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
---------------------------------
Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: M602638 1820 - 1854 1155448 Film NONE Sheet: 00
Felipe Michel Olmo wrote:
Hello everybody,
Although I am 56 years old, I am the "Benjamin member" of Nuestros Ranchos
..com
I am searching the ancestry of my grandfather, Jose Michel Vazquez
(1897-1990), married to Luz Lopez Pelayo (1898-1984). I believe both were
born in Autlan, Jalisco. My findings so far have been very modest. My
grandfather was son of Ricardo Michel Becerra and Guadalupe Vazquez. Ricardo
Michel Becerra's father was Pio Michel (don't know his maternal last name),
married to Gabriela Becerra (don't know her maternal last name). All of the
from Jalisco. Do you know if there are internet sites in the state of
Jalisco where I could search for birth and marriage records of my ancestors
? Or is this something that has to be done at the physical government
premises ?
I was navigating in the "Archivo General de Indias" provided here in
nuestrosranchos.org and found an official document appointing the Spaniard
JUAN MICHEL as "Regidor de Guadalajara, Jalisco. This document was dated in
1561.
If someone is interested, you may visit:
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/ImageServlet
This site includes: "58 paginas manuscritas detallando la confirmación del
oficio de regidor a Juan Michel".
I wonder if Juan Michel is in any way linked to my family...
Thank you in advance for any tips you can provide me.
Felipe Michel Olmo
Looks like they may have come from Ejutla, this includes Pio's marriage record also..
[refine search] Father: Diego Michel, Mother: Vicenta
Exact Spelling: Off Matches: All Sources - 7 International Genealogical Index - Mexico 1. PIO MICHEL ABILA - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Christening: 12 JUL 1830 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
2. MA. TEODOCIA MICHEL AVILA - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Female Christening: 29 MAY 1837 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
3. PIO MICHEL - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Marriage: 02 APR 1854 El Sagrario, Autlan De Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico
4. ANTONINO MICHEL AVILA - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Christening: 24 JUL 1845 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
5. JUANA NEPUMUCENA MICHEL AVILA - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Female Christening: 17 MAY 1840 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
6. JOSE REFUGIO MICHEL AVILA - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Christening: 04 JUL 1842 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
7. VICENTE MICHEL AVILA - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Christening: 07 APR 1833 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
Matches: International Genealogical Index/Mexico - 7
Felipe Michel Olmo wrote:
Hello everybody,
Although I am 56 years old, I am the "Benjamin member" of Nuestros Ranchos
..com
I am searching the ancestry of my grandfather, Jose Michel Vazquez
(1897-1990), married to Luz Lopez Pelayo (1898-1984). I believe both were
born in Autlan, Jalisco. My findings so far have been very modest. My
grandfather was son of Ricardo Michel Becerra and Guadalupe Vazquez. Ricardo
Michel Becerra's father was Pio Michel (don't know his maternal last name),
married to Gabriela Becerra (don't know her maternal last name). All of the
from Jalisco. Do you know if there are internet sites in the state of
Jalisco where I could search for birth and marriage records of my ancestors
? Or is this something that has to be done at the physical government
premises ?
I was navigating in the "Archivo General de Indias" provided here in
nuestrosranchos.org and found an official document appointing the Spaniard
JUAN MICHEL as "Regidor de Guadalajara, Jalisco. This document was dated in
1561.
If someone is interested, you may visit:
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/ImageServlet
This site includes: "58 paginas manuscritas detallando la confirmación del
oficio de regidor a Juan Michel".
I wonder if Juan Michel is in any way linked to my family...
Thank you in advance for any tips you can provide me.
Felipe Michel Olmo
Sorry, I almost forgot this record..
Linda in B.C.
RICARDO MICHEL BECERRA Pedigree Male
---------------------------------
Event(s): Birth: Christening: 09 FEB 1858 El Sagrario, Autlan De Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico Death: Burial:
---------------------------------
Parents: Father: PIO MICHEL Family Mother: GABRIELA BECERRA
---------------------------------
Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
---------------------------------
Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C604453 1857 - 1864 0655570 Film NONE Sheet:
Felipe Michel Olmo wrote:
Hello everybody,
Although I am 56 years old, I am the "Benjamin member" of Nuestros Ranchos
..com
I am searching the ancestry of my grandfather, Jose Michel Vazquez
(1897-1990), married to Luz Lopez Pelayo (1898-1984). I believe both were
born in Autlan, Jalisco. My findings so far have been very modest. My
grandfather was son of Ricardo Michel Becerra and Guadalupe Vazquez. Ricardo
Michel Becerra's father was Pio Michel (don't know his maternal last name),
married to Gabriela Becerra (don't know her maternal last name). All of the
from Jalisco. Do you know if there are internet sites in the state of
Jalisco where I could search for birth and marriage records of my ancestors
? Or is this something that has to be done at the physical government
premises ?
I was navigating in the "Archivo General de Indias" provided here in
nuestrosranchos.org and found an official document appointing the Spaniard
JUAN MICHEL as "Regidor de Guadalajara, Jalisco. This document was dated in
1561.
If someone is interested, you may visit:
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/ImageServlet
This site includes: "58 paginas manuscritas detallando la confirmación del
oficio de regidor a Juan Michel".
I wonder if Juan Michel is in any way linked to my family...
Thank you in advance for any tips you can provide me.
Felipe Michel Olmo
Welcome, I'm sure you'll get many replies from the group. This is on Familysearch.com. It gives you the film number to find the particulars.. I put Pio Michel and Gabriela with no surname, sometimes they are misspelled.. I hope this helps you.
Linda Castanon-Long
Francisco Sex: M
---------------------------------
Event(s): Christening: 01 May 1871 Place: Autlan de Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico
---------------------------------
Parents: Father: Pio MICHEL Mother: Gabriela BECERRA
---------------------------------
Grandparents: Father's Father: Diego Father's Mother: Visenta AVILA Mother's Father: Francisco Mother's Mother: Tiburcia BERMUDEZ
---------------------------------
Source Information: Batch Number: C604454 Source Dates: 1864 - 1871 Film or Fiche Number: 655571 Collection Details: El Sagrario; Catolica
---------------------------------
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Felipe Michel Olmo wrote:
Hello everybody,
Although I am 56 years old, I am the "Benjamin member" of Nuestros Ranchos
..com
I am searching the ancestry of my grandfather, Jose Michel Vazquez
(1897-1990), married to Luz Lopez Pelayo (1898-1984). I believe both were
born in Autlan, Jalisco. My findings so far have been very modest. My
grandfather was son of Ricardo Michel Becerra and Guadalupe Vazquez. Ricardo
Michel Becerra's father was Pio Michel (don't know his maternal last name),
married to Gabriela Becerra (don't know her maternal last name). All of the
from Jalisco. Do you know if there are internet sites in the state of
Jalisco where I could search for birth and marriage records of my ancestors
? Or is this something that has to be done at the physical government
premises ?
I was navigating in the "Archivo General de Indias" provided here in
nuestrosranchos.org and found an official document appointing the Spaniard
JUAN MICHEL as "Regidor de Guadalajara, Jalisco. This document was dated in
1561.
If someone is interested, you may visit:
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/ImageServlet
This site includes: "58 paginas manuscritas detallando la confirmación del
oficio de regidor a Juan Michel".
I wonder if Juan Michel is in any way linked to my family...
Thank you in advance for any tips you can provide me.
Felipe Michel Olmo
Did a quick search on familysearch.com
This is from the IGI/VRI
Children of Pio Michel and Gabriela Becerra:
Julio MICHEL BECERRA
Gender: M Birth/Christening: 13 Apr 1856 Autlan de Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico
RICARDO MICHEL BECERRA
Gender: Male Christening: 09 FEB 1858 El Sagrario, Autlan De Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico
MANUEL MICHEL BECERRA
Gender: Male Christening: 01 JAN 1860 El Sagrario, Autlan De Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico
RUPERTA MICHEL BECERRA
Gender: Female Christening: 29 MAR 1862 El Sagrario, Autlan De Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico
Vicente MICHEL BECERRA
Gender: M Birth/Christening: 09 Dec 1864 Autlan de Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico
Vicente MICHEL BESERRA
Gender: M Birth/Christening: 31 Jul 1866 Autlan de Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico
Maria Merced MICHEL BECERRA
Gender: F Birth/Christening: 08 Dec 1868 Autlan de Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico
Francisco MICHEL BECERRA
Gender: M Birth/Christening: 01 May 1871 Autlan de Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico
Maria Ysabel Michel
Gender: Female Christening: 10 JUL 1874 El Sagrario, Autlan De Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico
Some of the above christening records contained grandparents:
Pateneral Grandparents (aka Pio Michel parents):
Diego Michel and Vicenta Avila
Maternal Grandparents (aka Gabriela Becerra parents):
Francisco Becerra and Tiburcia Bermudes
PIO MICHEL and GABRIELA BESERRA
Marriage: 02 APR 1854 El Sagrario, Autlan De Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico
DIEGO MICHEL and MA. VICENTA ABILA
Marriage: 21 JUL 1828 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
Children of Diego Michel and Vicenta Avila:
PIO MICHEL ABILA
Gender: Male Christening: 12 JUL 1830 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
VICENTE MICHEL AVILA
Gender: Male Christening: 07 APR 1833 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
MA. TEODOCIA MICHEL AVILA
Gender: Female Christening: 29 MAY 1837 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
JUANA NEPUMUCENA MICHEL AVILA
Gender: Female Christening: 17 MAY 1840 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
JOSE REFUGIO MICHEL AVILA
Gender: Male Christening: 04 JUL 1842 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
ANTONINO MICHEL AVILA
Gender: Male Christening: 24 JUL 1845 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
Children of Francisco Becerra and Tiburcia Bermudes:
MA. GABRIELA BESERRA VALDES (different surname???)
Gender: Female Christening: 19 MAR 1835 El Sagrario, Autlan De Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico
JUAN JOSE TIMOTEO BESERRA BERMUDES
Gender: Male Christening: 20 DEC 1837 El Sagrario, Autlan De Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico
Jacinto BESERRA BERMUDEZ
Gender: M Birth/Christening: 18 Aug 1843 Autlan de Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico
Nicolas BECERRA BERMUDES
Gender: M Birth/Christening: 12 Sep 1846 Autlan de Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico
I am sure you will find more...
Good luck on your search,
Angie
Angie,
This is great ¡¡¡ For sure I will pay a visit to the site you just provided
me with.
Thanks much for setting me in this good track.
...you made my day ¡
Felipe
PS Angie, please excuse my ignorance, what is the meaning of "IGI/VRI"
>From: aajay1073
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Searching the last name "Michel" in Jalisco
>Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:11:54 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>Did a quick search on familysearch.com
>This is from the IGI/VRI
>
>Children of Pio Michel and Gabriela Becerra:
>
>Julio MICHEL BECERRA
>Gender: M Birth/Christening: 13 Apr 1856 Autlan de Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico
>
>RICARDO MICHEL BECERRA
>Gender: Male Christening: 09 FEB 1858 El Sagrario, Autlan De Navarro,
>Jalisco, Mexico
>
>MANUEL MICHEL BECERRA
>Gender: Male Christening: 01 JAN 1860 El Sagrario, Autlan De Navarro,
>Jalisco, Mexico
>
>RUPERTA MICHEL BECERRA
>Gender: Female Christening: 29 MAR 1862 El Sagrario, Autlan De Navarro,
>Jalisco, Mexico
>
>Vicente MICHEL BECERRA
>Gender: M Birth/Christening: 09 Dec 1864 Autlan de Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico
>
>Vicente MICHEL BESERRA
>Gender: M Birth/Christening: 31 Jul 1866 Autlan de Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico
>
>Maria Merced MICHEL BECERRA
>Gender: F Birth/Christening: 08 Dec 1868 Autlan de Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico
>
>Francisco MICHEL BECERRA
>Gender: M Birth/Christening: 01 May 1871 Autlan de Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico
>
>Maria Ysabel Michel
>Gender: Female Christening: 10 JUL 1874 El Sagrario, Autlan De Navarro,
>Jalisco, Mexico
>
>Some of the above christening records contained grandparents:
>
>Pateneral Grandparents (aka Pio Michel parents):
>Diego Michel and Vicenta Avila
>
>Maternal Grandparents (aka Gabriela Becerra parents):
>Francisco Becerra and Tiburcia Bermudes
>
>PIO MICHEL and GABRIELA BESERRA
>Marriage: 02 APR 1854 El Sagrario, Autlan De Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico
>
>DIEGO MICHEL and MA. VICENTA ABILA
>Marriage: 21 JUL 1828 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
>
>Children of Diego Michel and Vicenta Avila:
>
>PIO MICHEL ABILA
>Gender: Male Christening: 12 JUL 1830 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
>
>VICENTE MICHEL AVILA
>Gender: Male Christening: 07 APR 1833 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
>
>MA. TEODOCIA MICHEL AVILA
>Gender: Female Christening: 29 MAY 1837 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
>
>JUANA NEPUMUCENA MICHEL AVILA
>Gender: Female Christening: 17 MAY 1840 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
>
>JOSE REFUGIO MICHEL AVILA
>Gender: Male Christening: 04 JUL 1842 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
>
>ANTONINO MICHEL AVILA
>Gender: Male Christening: 24 JUL 1845 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
>
>Children of Francisco Becerra and Tiburcia Bermudes:
>
>MA. GABRIELA BESERRA VALDES (different surname???)
>Gender: Female Christening: 19 MAR 1835 El Sagrario, Autlan De Navarro,
>Jalisco, Mexico
>
>JUAN JOSE TIMOTEO BESERRA BERMUDES
>Gender: Male Christening: 20 DEC 1837 El Sagrario, Autlan De Navarro,
>Jalisco, Mexico
>
>Jacinto BESERRA BERMUDEZ
>Gender: M Birth/Christening: 18 Aug 1843 Autlan de Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico
>
>Nicolas BECERRA BERMUDES
>Gender: M Birth/Christening: 12 Sep 1846 Autlan de Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico
>
>I am sure you will find more...
>
>Good luck on your search,
>Angie
>
Felipe:
IGI is the International Genealogical Index and VRI is the Vital Records Index, both databases compiled and maintained by the Church of Latter Day Saints. They allow you to search through millions of baptism and marriage records for a particular name, limiting your search to a particular location or time period.
You will note that our site has a FILMS database that is organized by State and Municipality in Mexico which then links to the respective BATCH NUMBER in IGI or VRI where the records have been extracted. This allows you to "browse" the entire records on that particular film, or limit your search solely by mother's last name or father's first name or in any number of different ways that FAMILYSEARCH.ORG will not allow unless you enter a BATCH NUMBER.
I suggest you download the Nuestros Ranchos User Guide which you can find in the FILES-REFERENCE MATERIALS section of the site as well as the Finding Ancestral Records in Mexico Guide found in the same section.
There are actually lots of useful guides, including instructions on using the IGI, transcribing church records, etc. in that section of the site which are very useful for beginners and experienced genealogists alike.
Arturo,
Thank you for your answer and valuable advice. I will follow your
recomendations.
Felipe Michel Olmo
>From: arturoramos
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] IGI and VRI
>Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:11:28 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>Felipe:
>
>IGI is the International Genealogical Index and VRI is the Vital Records
>Index, both databases compiled and maintained by the Church of Latter Day
>Saints. They allow you to search through millions of baptism and marriage
>records for a particular name, limiting your search to a particular
>location or time period.
>
>You will note that our site has a FILMS database that is organized by State
>and Municipality in Mexico which then links to the respective BATCH NUMBER
>in IGI or VRI where the records have been extracted. This allows you to
>"browse" the entire records on that particular film, or limit your search
>solely by mother's last name or father's first name or in any number of
>different ways that FAMILYSEARCH.ORG will not allow unless you enter a
>BATCH NUMBER.
>
>I suggest you download the Nuestros Ranchos User Guide which you can find
>in the FILES-REFERENCE MATERIALS section of the site as well as the Finding
>Ancestral Records in Mexico Guide found in the same section.
>
>There are actually lots of useful guides, including instructions on using
>the IGI, transcribing church records, etc. in that section of the site
>which are very useful for beginners and experienced genealogists alike.
Felipe Michel:
Please report with me if you receive my e-mail
Thank you
Sylvia H Corona
Hello Sylvia,
I received your note. Thank you.
I also answered another note from you inviting me to join the CorGoMiUri
site. I have been a member --not very active though-- since quite a while.
My primary interest is to search mi ancestry, and I have not figured out how
to do it through your site. Any help would be appreciated.
Cheers ¡¡
Felipe Michel Olmo
>From: Sylvia Corona/Rcac
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] IGI and VRI
>Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:08:30 -0700
>
>
>Felipe Michel:
>Please report with me if you receive my e-mail
>Thank you
>
>Sylvia H Corona
Aida,
I too am descended from some Acevedos that used the parish church in Tepetongo that served the communities of Salitrillo, Tinaja, Estancia, Buenavista, Salitral, Vivoras, Sauces, and a few others. I had the film # 0445156 that I transcribed for the time period you stated, and there is a gap in the records from 1780 to 1787. I looked at the index of the batch number for that film, and I didn't find any De La Vega or Vega, Bega or any Toribio or Bernardo Acevedo, Asevedo, Asebedo. Perhaps the records for your ancestors are lost, as they are for many of my ancestors.
Yes, Aida,
The reason for suggesting looking at the brothers' original wedding
documents is that, failing to first find the birth records of someone,
marriage documents often include the names of the parents of the bride and
Aida,
May I suggest for possible connection/leads the marriage records of the
following ...
Jose Maria Asevedo with Maria Guadalupe Escovedo, 1799, Pinos, Zacatecas
(Family History Library Batch No. M606319)
Thank you so much for your info; I do have the marriage records for all
three brothers, what I am looking is for their baptism or birth records as
they may contain the names of their grandparents.
Thanks again,
Aida Garralda
garralda@cox.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Efrain Conrique"
To:
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Researching Acevedo's and De La
VegainTepetongo, Zacatecas.
> Aida,
>
> May I suggest for possible connection/leads the marriage records of the
> following ...
>
> Jose Maria Asevedo with Maria Guadalupe Escovedo, 1799, Pinos, Zacatecas
> (Family History Library Batch No. M606319)
> Jose Maria Apolonio Asevedo with Maria Anastacia Hernandez, November 27
> 1802, Pinos, Zacatecas (Batch No. M606272)
>
> Long shots, but could be productive.
>
> Efrain
> San Diego, California
>
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Aida Garralda
>> To:
>> Date: 8/24/2007 1:59:12 PM
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Researching Acevedo's and De La Vega
> inTepetongo, Zacatecas.
>>
>>
>> My ggggrandfather was named Juan Jose Acevedo or (de Asevedo), he had
>>
>> 3 sons, Jose Toribio born @ 1773, Jose Maria born @ 1785, and Bernardo
> born
>>
>> about 1787, I found all 3 marriage records for them but could not find
> their birth
>>
>> records, it appears they were probably all born in Tepetongo,
>> Zacatecas.
>>
>> Juan Jose (their father) was married to Maria Manuela de la Vega.
>>
>> If anyone out there has any information that maybe would help me find out
> more I
>>
>> would be very gratedful.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Aida Garralda
>>
>> garralda@cox.net
Felipe...Arturo lives here!
..I couldn't resist a bit of humor and at the same time acknowledging your
commitment.
Esperanza
Chicagoland area
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City, right now I feel like in Chicago --a LOT of wind. Probably thanks to
Dean, which still is battering the eastern coast.
Glad you couldnt´ resist the humor.
Felipe Michel Olmo
>From: Latina1955@aol.com
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Viewing Films in Mexico City
>Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:41:40 EDT
>
>Felipe...Arturo lives here!
>
>..I couldn't resist a bit of humor and at the same time acknowledging your
>commitment.
>
>Esperanza
>Chicagoland area
>
>
>
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Daniel,
Padrinos could be anyone who was Catholic and who was deemed to be in good standing with the church, thus they could be siblings. Often times the padrinos were not married to each other but usually were in some way related to the parents of the child who was baptised.
Dear Daniel:
I have extracted numerous baptism records from San Miguel, Valle de Guadalupe, Tepatitlan and now Tangancicuaro. Often the padrinos listed in my family lines were married, but this is not always the case. I have found some padrinos that were not married and also who were brother and sister. I have noticed in many of the documents that if the padrinos were brother and sister it will state hermanos. However, I have seen documents were I know the two were brother and sister, but it did not state hermanos. About 96 percent of the time, the padrinos have been somehow related to the parents, but there are exceptions to every rule! Your best bet is to keep accumulating documents that will substantiate your hunch. In this case possibly baptisms or marriages of the parties involved to see if they have the same parents.
Dear Daniel:
One other note of caution. In Tangancicuaro it seems that many cousins were named after the grandfather and their brothers or sisters married people with the same family name, sometimes related to each other and sometimes not related. This leads to confusion. Same names and almost the same age. Also remember sons often were named after fathers. Could this person be just someone with the same name, a son, a cousin? Once again more documents from the same general area with uncover if you have a person with the same name married to the woman standing as padrino. You might find baptisms of children born to the padrinos within the same batch of records. You would not believe how many Jose de Jesus Rochas I have seen in Tangancicuaro. So confusing.
Daniel,
Padrinos could be anyone who was Catholic and who was deemed to be in good standing with the church, thus they could be siblings. Often times the padrinos were not married to each other but usually were in some way related to the parents of the child who was baptised.
Alicia,
San Jose, Calif
----- Original Message ----
From: mormonboy74
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:43:04 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Padrinos
This has been a question to me for a while. Although we are Mormon we still carry the tradition of Padrinoship. for instance mine are my grandfather and his 2nd wife. I have a question. can Padrinos be a brother and sister? Im trying to connect my Angela de Oropesa. In a document, it says "fueron sus padrinos Magdaleno Lopes de Oropesa y Angela Lopes de Oropesa. In our Hacienda any people with the same last name is related. Hence the intermarriage. The Oropesas came to our hacienda around 1890. The ones were named Thomas, Gervacio, Magdaleno and Maria Oropesa. They were said to came after my 3rd grt grandmother came named...Angela de Oropesa who married Jose Maria Hernandez de Solis. And had Eulalia de Solis. Who married Estevan Lopez de Duran who had Lorensa Lopez de Solis who married Celso del Camino y de Soto. Who had Antonio Lopez del Camino who married Maria Guadalupe Vasquez de Elizalde, who had my grandfather Antonio II del Camino. Anyway...The
fact is on a relatives b
aptismal
Magdaleno and Angela Oropesa were padrinos, but she cant be married to him because at the same time he was married to Francisca Garcia de Bedoya. So it has led me to believe that Magdaleno and Angela are siblings. Can anyone help? -Daniel Mendez....d. C.
I have a Sebastian de Luna married around 1680 to Josefa Lozano, from Aguascalientes. The only Sebastian de Luna I've found around that time and region is the son of Luis de Luna and Josefa de Haro, or Esquivelm christened in Tlaltenango on 10 February, 1659. Could anyone confirm if he is the one married to Josefa Lozano?
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