Nuestros Ranchos Site

    TO: h1ita@...

        From What I know, Martin Del Campo goes short as Martin, that 
name as others like Barba where the settlers in Tepatitlan a lot, but 
also expanded to San Juan De Los Lagos, you can find them also in 
Jalostotitlan. Look also in Jesus Maria, Arandas, Zapotlanejo ...

               Leticia Leon Morales
          

I have uploaded a map given to me by a member of the Ranchos group (thanks Gloria). I believe the original is at UC Berkeley. It won't be available for long so please visit    http://nuestrosranchos.libsyn.com/  and if you are intereste upload ASAP.

also have a listen at: http://NuestrosRanchos.net

joseph
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/

Subject: Re: Older maps of Jalisco ???

From: h1ita@...

Date: 9 Sep 2005 21:40:11 -0600

To: MEX-JALISCO-L@...

I would love to have a

Joseph,

Best of luck!  Thanks for letting us know.  

Victor 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> I have just signed up to make an attempt at Real Estate with an 
> organization called Mark Thomas Realty with Weichert Realty. All that 
> being said I will have my hands full doing the bare minimum of 
> subscribing and unsubscribing people along with uploading and either 
> modifying or doing whatever else might come up.
> 
> All that being said if you notice that I am becoming more and more 
> silent. . .well that is why. If you miss my voice have a listen to
it at 
> http://NuestrosRanchos.net
> 
> joseph

I have just signed up to make an attempt at Real Estate with an
organization called Mark Thomas Realty with Weichert Realty. All that
being said I will have my hands full doing the bare minimum of
subscribing and unsubscribing people along with uploading and either
modifying or doing whatever else might come up.

All that being said if you notice that I am becoming more and more
silent. . .well that is why. If you miss my voice have a listen to it at
http://NuestrosRanchos.net

joseph

Sounds good and also promising.

Albert Duarte Prieto.
Santa Maria, California

--- readysetgo95814  wrote:

> This is great.  Thanks for sharing Victor.
> 
> Maria
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"
>  
> wrote:
> > For your information,
> > 
> > > Microfilm data in LDS canyon vaults to go online
> > > 
> > > By Carrie A. Moore
> > > Deseret Morning News 
> > >       Ever wonder what's inside those secured
> > > vaults, owned by the LDS Church, positioned high
> > > inside the granite walls of Little Cottonwood
> > > Canyon?
> > >       The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
> > > Saints is working toward allowing anyone with
> > > Internet access to learn more than they've ever
> > > known before about the information contained on
> 2
> > > million-plus rolls of microfilm housed there.
> > > Currently, the church is compiling searchable
> > > indexes to that information and will eventually
> make
> > > it available for free

Good morning
I'm hoping you can help me understand the history of the traditions 
of baptisms in Jalisco during the 1700's.
During that period they are still listing nationalities for people 
and I've noticed that many Indios and Mulato's are baptized by 
Espanoles who frequently have Don and Dona in front of their names.. 
A majority of the Indios and Mulato's do not live in the major towns 
but seem to be in Barrios or Haciendas, Estancias or Ranchos.  Many 
of the Espanoles have double surnames. I'm under the impression that 
many Indios and Mulato's took the surname of the Espanol that owned 
the land the workers lived on. I don't see how the Espanoles would 
have known all these workers who's babies they baptized.. did they 
do mass baptisms or was it the 'responsibility' of the patron or 
owners to be padrinos and madrinas?  Or was it considered an honor 
for the babies to have Espanol padrinos?  My area's of research for 
these records are Atoyac, Zapotlan El Grande, Zapotiltic

This is great.  Thanks for sharing Victor.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
wrote:
> For your information,
> 
> > Microfilm data in LDS canyon vaults to go online
> > 
> > By Carrie A. Moore
> > Deseret Morning News 
> >       Ever wonder what's inside those secured
> > vaults, owned by the LDS Church, positioned high
> > inside the granite walls of Little Cottonwood
> > Canyon?
> >       The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
> > Saints is working toward allowing anyone with
> > Internet access to learn more than they've ever
> > known before about the information contained on 2
> > million-plus rolls of microfilm housed there.
> > Currently, the church is compiling searchable
> > indexes to that information and will eventually make
> > it available for free through an automated database
> > on the Internet.
> >       The church excavated the vaults containing
> > those records on property it purchased in the 1960s,
> > providing a safe

For your information,

> Microfilm data in LDS canyon vaults to go online
> 
> By Carrie A. Moore
> Deseret Morning News 
>       Ever wonder what's inside those secured
> vaults, owned by the LDS Church, positioned high
> inside the granite walls of Little Cottonwood
> Canyon?
>       The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
> Saints is working toward allowing anyone with
> Internet access to learn more than they've ever
> known before about the information contained on 2
> million-plus rolls of microfilm housed there.
> Currently, the church is compiling searchable
> indexes to that information and will eventually make
> it available for free through an automated database
> on the Internet.
>       The church excavated the vaults containing
> those records on property it purchased in the 1960s,
> providing a safe repository during the height of the
> Cold War for birth, marriage, death and census
> information it considers essential for the salvation
> of mankind after death. Now

 Amen....

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo  
wrote:
> I know this forum is only for geneaology but I couldn't help but 
believe that we are all in this together and that our people need 
all the help including our prayers.
>  
>  
>  
> Prayer chain for our New Orleans and the gulf
> states...
> Prayer Request: When you receive this, please stop for
> a moment and say a prayer for New Orleans.
> 
> 
> "Lord, hold the people of New Orleans and the gulf
> states in your loving hands. Protect them in their
> time of need and bring an end to their suffering.
> Bless them and their families. I ask this in the name
> of Jesus, our Lord and Savior. Amen."
> 
> 
> There is nothing attached.... ... Just send this.
> Do not let it stop with you, please. 
> 
> 
> Alicia A Carrillo

I have an aunt on my father's side who married an
Alvarez del Castillo and an uncle on my mother's side
that married an Alvarez del Castillo but have not
researched that name (they are all now deceased) and
do not really have any information to go on. One of my
cousins, an Alvarez del Castillo was researching the
name. Maria Hilda Mosqueda McGuire

--- lili pinzon  wrote:

> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, makas@n... wrote:
> > 
> > Who is studying this surname in the group?
> > 
> > joseph
> 
>     JOSEPH.
> 
>    ONE OF THE MEMBERS: JUAN PABLO ALVAREZ, HIS
> ADDRESS IS
> 
>     jpag0573@... AND HI IS MEMBER OF RANCHOS.
> 
>                           so long
> 
>                         LETICIA LEON MORALES 
> 
> 
> 



	
		
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I called the following Notario, but.... Mariano
GOnzalez Leal was gone for a brief moment. Instructed
by his secretary to call back in an hour I have a good
feeling it will work out.
? Notario Nº 1
   Mariano González Leal
   Independencia  Nº 212
   Zona Centro, C. P. 37000
   Tel. (477) 714 10 59
   Fax (477) 716 00 34

Thank you kindly for the quick response. 

Jose Munoz  Yuba City, Ca.

--- "v.h.villarreal" 
wrote:

> José,
> 
> Maybe you can try the following leads:
> 
>
http://www.leongto.com.mx/secciones/historia/historia_referenciabibliografica.htm
>
http://www.leon.gob.mx/portal/modules/icontent/index.php?page=86
> 
> Look for the name of Mariano Gonzalez Leal.
> 
> Victor Villarreal
> 
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "jmunoz2781"
>  wrote:
> > 
> > Anyone tell me where I can purchase this edition?
> > 
> > Title:   Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia
> >            {Universidad de Guanajuato  1983}
> > Author:  MARIANAO

Steven,

 

I will try to contact my family members from Jalpa. My family connection with Jalpa as far as I can tell begins in 1925 when my mother's uncle Agustin Olmos Avelar marries his first cousin Juana Olmos Valenzuela in Jalpa Zac. We have many family members from that line living here in San Jose and Newark Ca.

 

I have been trying to recruit this third cousin twice removed, to enter into family research so she can help me with the Jalpa family line.

 

I have noticed in a few documents from Tlachichila and Nochistlan that often reference events that occurred in Jalpa. I don't know if that means that they recorded a baptism or marriage for Jalpa as a duplicate to Jalpa or in lieu of Jalpa.

 

I do have Gomez family connections  from Nochistlan/Jalpa but I don't have the paper trail

José,

Maybe you can try the following leads:

http://www.leongto.com.mx/secciones/historia/historia_referenciabibliografica.htm
http://www.leon.gob.mx/portal/modules/icontent/index.php?page=86

Look for the name of Mariano Gonzalez Leal.

Victor Villarreal


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "jmunoz2781"  wrote:
> 
> Anyone tell me where I can purchase this edition?
> 
> Title:   Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia
>            {Universidad de Guanajuato  1983}
> Author:  MARIANAO GONZALEZ LEAL & JAIME HOLCOMBE
> 
> Spoke with Borderland Books representative today: Not in print...
> Any leads welcome.
> 
> Jose Munoz  Yuba City, Ca.

Anyone tell me where I can purchase this edition?

Title:   Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia
           {Universidad de Guanajuato  1983}
Author:  MARIANAO GONZALEZ LEAL & JAIME HOLCOMBE

Spoke with Borderland Books representative today: Not in print...
Any leads welcome.

Jose Munoz  Yuba City, Ca.

--
I'M SORRY, IT SEEMS HE IS NOT A MEMBER, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER HOW I 
DIC CONTACT HIM, BUT STILL HE IS FROM LOS ALTOS DE JALISCO AND IS 
SEARCHING ON ALVAREZ AND ALVARES DEL CASTILLO.

                                     LETICIA LEON





- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "lili pinzon"  wrote:
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, makas@n... wrote:
> > 
> > Who is studying this surname in the group?
> > 
> > joseph
> 
>     JOSEPH.
> 
>    ONE OF THE MEMBERS: JUAN PABLO ALVAREZ, HIS ADDRESS IS
> 
>     jpag0573@y... AND HI IS MEMBER OF RANCHOS.
> 
>                           so long
> 
>                         LETICIA LEON MORALES

Emilie Garcia wrote:

OK, then, Joseph,

 

How do you write and pronounce all those subsequent generations:   primera, secunda, tercera,  (I don't know how to say the rest).  Also, why is pentabuelo listed as antepasado de 6th generation when "pent" means "five" to me.  It looks like the pentabuelo should go with "5th". 

well if you look at it in the Spanish the father is the first generation, the grandfather is the 1st grandfather but the 2nd generation, the g-Grandfather is the 2nd grandfather (Bis) but the 3rd generation, the GG grandfather is the 3rd grandfather (Tatara) but the 4th generation, etc.

I would like more feedback from the group is

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, makas@n... wrote:
> 
> Who is studying this surname in the group?
> 
> joseph

    JOSEPH.

   ONE OF THE MEMBERS: JUAN PABLO ALVAREZ, HIS ADDRESS IS

    jpag0573@... AND HI IS MEMBER OF RANCHOS.

                          so long

                        LETICIA LEON MORALES