Nuestros Ranchos Site

Alicia:

I must say I have been very lucky as well.  I actually started last 
Spring, but like Maria, I had help from some relatives.  On my 
maternal side, I have an aunt who has incredible memory and still 
recalls the names and family history of her great-grandparents from 
stories told to her as a child.  On my paternal side, my father was 
made the keeper of family history when he was handed a pile of 
documents by an uncle shortly before his death.  These two 
repositories made it much easier to delve into the baptismal records 
since I had good family information going back to the late 1800s.

The next piece of luck I had was that the main town where I have been 
researching (Totatiche, Jalisco) has immaculate church records... no 
missing books and all indexed in IGI and VRI.  Now that I have 
started branching out more and more to other towns, I realize that 
this is not the case everywhere.

Finally, my primas, Rosalinda Ruiz and Angie Godina, from this group 
have helped me

Alicia,

I am one of those lucky ones who have gotten back that far.  The 
thing that helped me is that one of my relatives had done some 
research prior to me starting mine.  She gave me copies of certified 
baptismal records for 5 generations back.  That helped with one of my 
grandparent's lineage.  Then, I delved into the Sagrada Mitra records 
and found one dispensa that gave me 5 generations for one couple.  
The dispensa is 24 pages long and includes interviews of at least 5 
individuals.  The marriage took place in 1735.  That dispensa gave me 
my big breakthrough when I borrowed a copy of Retoños de España en la 
Nueva Galicia and found several of my lines going back to the 
1500's!  Needless to say, that was a very exciting moment for me.  

I have several genealogy books, but in my opinion, there isn't a 
single book that is as comprehensive as Retoños (vol 2) for those of 
us researching roots in Nueva Galicia.  I am anxiously awaiting for 
the new editions which the author

Arturo:
I'm interested in finding more about Sagrada Mitra de
Guadalajara. Does it have website or files at the LDS?
 Please let me know.

Regards

Alberto Duarte Prieto



--- Arturo Ramos  wrote:

> This weekend I looked through the Sagrada Mitra de
> Guadalajara (which 
> by the way is an incredible resource that everyone
> should look at if 
> you have traced your lineages going back as far as
> the 1700s) and made 
> a couple of breakthroughs.  These have taken my
> research to some new 
> towns, namely Mazapil, Zacatecas and Jerez (most
> likely the area around 
> Monte Escobedo) and I would like to find out who is
> doing research in 
> these places and any hints that would be useful.
> 
> The breakthroughs are as follows:
> 
> Juan Antonio ARANZAZU was born in 1696 in Mazapil,
> Zacatecas, 
> illegitimate son of Captain Antonio DE LA BARREDA
> and Isabel DE PIERO.  
> He later moved to Guadalajara, where he was raised
> and schooled by Sr. 
> Doctor Don

This weekend I looked through the Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara (which 
by the way is an incredible resource that everyone should look at if 
you have traced your lineages going back as far as the 1700s) and made 
a couple of breakthroughs.  These have taken my research to some new 
towns, namely Mazapil, Zacatecas and Jerez (most likely the area around 
Monte Escobedo) and I would like to find out who is doing research in 
these places and any hints that would be useful.

The breakthroughs are as follows:

Juan Antonio ARANZAZU was born in 1696 in Mazapil, Zacatecas, 
illegitimate son of Captain Antonio DE LA BARREDA and Isabel DE PIERO.  
He later moved to Guadalajara, where he was raised and schooled by Sr. 
Doctor Don Joseph DE MIRANDA VILLAYZAN of the Consejo de su Majestad, 
Oidor de la Real Audiencia de Nueva Galicia.

(Juan) Joseph PINEDO GAMBOA was most likely born in Monte Escobedo and 
baptized in Jerez circa 1700 (though I can't find his baptismal record 
in VRI... looks

Joseph:

There is a historian by the name of Esteban Valdes Salazar who has 
published his own family's genealogy as well as the genealogy of a 
number of priests and bishops from "our" town of Totatiche, including 
Saint Cristobal Magallanes.  He recently published the second volume 
of his History of Totatiche which includes transcriptions of the 
original land deeds by the Spanish crown and a very detailed census.

I know that Rosalinda has been in touch with him, and my parents who 
are now living part-time in Mexico, have met his on a number of 
ocassions.  He may be someone interesting to interview.  Let me know 
if you are interested and we can try to get in touch with him.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
wrote:
>
> Joseph,
> 
> Just an opinion from a different perspective.  What I got from what
> Norma Angelica Mendoza Sandoval wrote is that they are currently
> struggling to launch their radio project and I really doubt that 
they
>

Joseph,

Just an opinion from a different perspective.  What I got from what
Norma Angelica Mendoza Sandoval wrote is that they are currently
struggling to launch their radio project and I really doubt that they
would relinquish the privilege of making their debut with an
unpublished material.

Maybe you can reformulate your proposal and offer them to upload their
audio tapes some time "after" they have aired them first.  Make it
very clear that you would give proper credits and add a link to their
website, etc.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Emilie Garcia wrote:
> 
> > So what did she say, Joseph?  Will she send you tapes or snippets of 
> > their programming for your podcasts?
> 
> boy am I hoping she will but she hasn't written back yet. I just sent 
> off the email to her yesterday. I'm hoping she is going to take my 
> proposition to other decision makers in the group to consider the
proposal.
> 
> >   That would be great if

Emilie,

The word "partido" has a lot of definitions. The one that applies here
is the following:

12. m. Distrito o territorio de una jurisdicción o administración que
tiene por cabeza un pueblo principal. (From the "Real Academia
Española" http://buscon.rae.es/diccionario/drae.htm)

You have to consider that the entry from "Diccionario Geográfico,
Histórico y Biográfico de los Estados Unidos Mexicanos." is an old one
and does not necessarily reflect current word usage.  Not even the
political divisions of the states and municipalities are guaranteed to
be the same today.  But being an old book and having old records is
what makes this resource valuable.

For the current political division of Zacatecas check the official web
page: http://www.zacatecas.gob.mx/  (Click "Estado" at the top menu
bar and then "Municipios" at the left side links.)  Indeed Jerez is
now an autonomous "Municipio".

Regards.
Victor Villarreal



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" 

Alicia Carrillo wrote:

Joseph,

I'd be happy to volunteer if no one else steps up to the plate with
regards to the Spanish language, although there are many in the group
who are much more polished and accomplished than myself.

(translation)
Joseph te ofrezco mis servicios como traductora de Ingles/español o
como representante del Grupo Ranchos para las entrevistas con persona
o personas de la lengua castellana. Te advierto de antemano que hay
otros integrantes del Grupo Ranchos con un español mucho mas pulido y
profesional que el mio.

Les reto a los otros integrantes que hablan mejor español, que alcen
la mano y se den de voluntarios antes de que meta yo la pata y deje en
verguenza a este grupo.

(translation)
I challenge the other Ranchos members who speak better spanish than
mine to raise your hand and volunteer before I stick foot in mouth and
shame the group.

You wouldn't be shaming the group. . .your Spanish from my perspective
appears to be great. Okay

Emilie Garcia wrote:

So what did she say, Joseph?  Will she send you

Joseph, 

How about asking if there are official Bracero Program statistics 
from the early 1900s?  I'm sure there must be something because every 
worker was issued an ID card. 
http://www.farmworkers.org/bracero/braceric.GIF

Also, I recommend anyone interested in the subject from a general 
perspective to take a look at the following publication at the 
University of Texas (in Spanish):

http://www.utexas.edu/lbj/uscir/binpapers/v2b-6bustamante.pdf

Here's a quote:

Areas de origen en México

Tres entidades han sido clasificadas consistentemente en los primeros 
lugares como proveedoras de migrantes: Jalisco, Michoacán y 
Guanajuato. A ellas se agregaron Chihuahua, Durango y Zacatecas.
Gamio señalaba en 1930 que el 54.3% de los migrantes mexicanos 
provenía de esos tres estados del centro-occidente de México 
(Michoacán, Guanajuato y Jalisco), siguiéndolos en importancia Nuevo 
León, Durango y el D.F. (Gamio, 1930) (ver Cuadro 1).

It also includes the destination places for most of

okay some have problems with finding out the "Where" in Mexico they came
from. I want to eventually get interviews with people in INS and Social
Security and other gov't offices to see what information is freely open
to the public that might give clues on where in Mexico people came from.

Can you all email me directly with your thoughts on what questions can
be asked of people high up in these organizations. I'd like to go
prepared and can only think of these questions:

1) With regards to the freedom of information act what info is available
to the general public in (their organization).

2) On the records that are available what kind of information is usually
collected?

3) What time periods did these records cover?

4) What preliminary work can the information seeker perform to
facilitate the look up of records?

5) Are there specific forms that need to be used for information request?

6) Are there costs involved with requesting records? And if so what are
they?

Hello Emilie,

Have you read the description of Salitrillo in the "Diccionario
Geográfico, Histórico y Biográfico de los Estados Unidos Mexicanos."

http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm

Salitrillo. 5 ranchos del Estado de Zacatecas: Uno del partido de
Fresnillo, municipalidad de Valparaíso. - Dos del partido de Jerez,
municipalidad de Tepetongo. - Otro del partido de Nochixtlán,
municipalidad de Toyahua. - Otro del partido de Villanueva,
municipalidad de Jalpa.

The coordinates that you found are completely in a different area of
Zacatecas, right in the border of Coahuila.

Victor.



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" 
wrote:
>
> Hello, all,
> 
> I have recently discovered more generations on my father's side. 
They include the surnames Tinajero, Olague, Valdez, Feliz, Flores,
Suriano, Salasar, Munos, Lucio, Vasquez, Garcia, Quijas, Banegas,
Escobedo and possibly Mata.  Most of these were baptized or married in
Tepetongo, Zacatecas

My apologies, it won't happen again..
Linda in Washington

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Deena Ortiz"  wrote:
>
> Just a reminder that when you send a message to the list that has 
nothing to 
> do with the purpose of the list, it's nice to precede the subject 
line with 
> OT (off topic).
> 
> Secondly, I usually check everything I receive before I forward it 
to see 
> whether is may be a hoax.  Most of them usually are.  The 
information about 
> cell phone telemarketers is somewhat mixed: 
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/cell411.asp
> 
> ~Deena Ortiz~
>