PAF 4 instructions

I did, thank you and Angie.

                                       Leticia Leon

                              



Joseph Puentes escribió:


Angie Godina sends these instructions on how to use PAF 4.0 to send in
your genealogy. . .was it Leticia Leon that asked originally?

PAF 4.0 English Instructions

For an Ancestor Report
1. Select the Ancestor (Parent, Grandparent, ...) for
report.
2. From the File menu, select the 'Print Reports...'
option.
3. From the Reports and Charts panel, select the Books
tab.  The starting person will be the ancestor that
was selected from step 1.
4. For book type, select Ahnentafel (Ancestry) radio
button.
5. Choose the desired options or leave the default
options.
6. Select the 'Print to File' check box.
7. Select the Print button.

Note: For a Descendancy Report, select an end-of-line
ancestor and then select the Modified register
(Descendancy) radio button

PAF 4.0 Instrucciones en Español

Para un
Informe Antepasado

1. Escoge su pariente (Padre, Abuelo, ...) para el
In

Help With Questions

Oh, Arturo, bless you!  I will really appreciate your help.  I
will send the full info to you at your e-mail address when I get it
together.  Thanks again,
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA --
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:12
PM
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Help With
Questions

Emilie:

I live just a few blocks from NARA's main
building here in Washington
DC.  If you give me your father's full
information I can try and look
him up when I am down there next.  I
still have not found my
grandfather's border crossing records either and
the people at NARA
are not very helpful... the records and films are not
very easily
useable and the films are horrible quality as well.  It
really makes
me appreciate the FHC and the quality of LDS films, systems,
etc.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"

wrote:
>
> To Michael
Gonsalez:
>
> Thanks for the

Archivo General de la Nacion

face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>

Hi Victor,

 

I remembered our email conversation awhile ago regarding Danny Villarreal's
web site.  I bet you already have this information, but I found this in the
archivo general de la nacion - it appears that this family was firmly in place
before the other Villarreales ventured out to Nuevo Leon. Did you ever
mention from what part of Mexico your Villarreal side is from?

 

Esperanza

 

 


























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MAYOR, DE ANTONIO DE
VILLARREAL.
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color=#000066 size=1>Grupo Documental
size=1>Reales Cédulas

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size=1>NOVIEMBRE 12 DE 1550

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size=1>1

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color=#000066 size=1>Descripción

DIGEST


the messages have been coming in hot and heavy as of late. I want to
remind everyone that changing your subscription to "DIGEST" is an option
and a better option than considering unsubscribing. Even if digest is to
much you can always go on "no mail" and just read the messages on the WWW.


if you don't know how to change to Digest just email me and I'll change
it for you.


joseph

ps: Digest means that instead of each individual message from the group
coming into your "INBOX" you will get one or at most two messages per
day with all the activity of that day. It will be a large message or
'digest.'






Answer to Mary Garana Allen

Hello, Carol:
I have plans to give them  photos of our immediate family and a couple of photos that would interest them, especially  of their great grandfather and an aunt.  I suppose I want to begin by setting them at ease....and calming myself because when I get excited or nervous, I forget my Spanish or it comes out badly.  I know, just take a deep breath.    
 
Joseph Puente has reminded me about taking a tape recorder and plenty of batteries and of course I have to take my camera.  I'll share my good news with the Rancho family.  Thanks for telling me about the Kinko idea.  Yes, I am going to a small city, so we'll see.  
 
We are such a small family; I am actively shopping for "cousins" because I believe that the little ones in our family should have a much larger family.  Plus, I am afraid they will lose touch with our heritage.  They don't have to be flag wavers, just know enough to have carino and appreciation for their roots.   Again, thanks.   Mary
 
PS  I do plan to have a

Answer to Mary Garana Allen

Mary:

I'm also a collector of photos and have "classics" in
my colletion.  You may come across some "classic
photos" they may not want to part with.  Here is a
suggestion.  I don't know if there are local kinko
stores, probably have to drive to the larger towns but
make a copies for yourself.  I had one family from
CA., send me pictures and I scanned them in my
computer, made copies, then sent the originals back. 
Also it's nice to give them a photo of yourself and
family (sharing) makes the difference.  I have reached
out to so many cousins and as a matter fact just
received a photo yesterday from my prima in Los
Angeles.  

Have a safe trip and I think it's wonderful you are
visiting your relatives.  

Carol
--- Mary Allen  wrote:

> Joseph!! I'm on a roll.  From Mexico City I am
> flying to Guanajuato.  I found another "cousin", 72
> years old, who promises photos and a lot more
> information.  I can hardly stand the wait.  I am
> trying to get everything caught

Answer to Mary Garana Allen

Joseph!! I'm on a roll.  From Mexico City I am flying to Guanajuato.  I found another "cousin", 72 years old, who promises photos and a lot more information.  I can hardly stand the wait.  I am trying to get everything caught up in the office so that I can take off a week or so.  Will report when I return.   Mary

Joseph Puentes wrote:



Mary Allen wrote:

I read every e-mail emanating from Ranchos and  you  with relish!  It is almost as if I am sitting on the sidelines listening to you speak to each other.  Exciting.   One day I hope to have something to say.

You are truly an inspiration to us all. How many older relatives have passed in the short 3 years that I've been on this genealogy trail. If I had the motivation that you have I would also have been on a jet plane travelling to see these relatives before passed. Oral history is king in my opinion. Keep asking away. But I see your situation and as the elder person in your family (not to many opportunities to ask for the

Answer to Mary Garana Allen





Mary Allen wrote:

I read every e-mail emanating from Ranchos and  you  with
relish!  It is almost as if I am sitting on the sidelines listening to
you speak to each other.  Exciting.   One day I hope to have something
to say.

You are truly an inspiration to us all. How many older relatives have
passed in the short 3 years that I've been on this genealogy trail. If
I had the motivation that you have I would also have been on a jet
plane travelling to see these relatives before passed. Oral history is
king in my opinion. Keep asking away. But I see your situation and as
the elder person in your family (not to many opportunities to ask for
the oral history. . .yes thats why finding other branches is of key
importance). its great that you are "educating" yourself in "family" to
have some oral history/written history to pass on to the younger ones
that will one day be interested. Thank you and please do continue to
encourage us with your example.



And that brings me to another

Answers to Peggy Delgado





Peggy Delgado wrote:

Good Afternoon fellow researchers....
 
I have a really silly question.  Do you
members have the actual microfilms that you refer to in this message?
How is it that you can get them for such a
long period of time.  When I go to the FHC, I only get them for a
couple of weeks.  They come in from SLC, I look through them at the
center using their equipment, request copies of certain documents, then
they get sent back.  What am I doing wrong?

I work as a volunteer at my FHC so what you do is pay $3.25 (plus a .25
notification fee that varies from FHC to FHC) for the first rental
which should be a minimum of 30 days and then you can renew again if
you need more time for another $3.25 and I am not sure about this but
thought that renewal was for 60 days more, but might only be for 30
days. . .and then if that film is truely a goldmine you can renew the
3rd time (another $3.25 for a grand total of $10) and it should become
an indefinite film (well at

Franciscan Covenant Records: was-Trip to Jalisco, Zacatecas

thanks Arturo for this information. It will be very interesting what
youfind out when you make your trip to these areas later. thanks again
for your work for the Ranchos group.



joseph



Arturo Ramos wrote:

Only 1720 on are filmed and in the databases, because those are the 
actual parish records of the San Luis parish.

However, Esteban Valdes Salazar refers to Franciscan convent archives 
that are held at the parish when citing marriage and baptismal 
records from the mid and late 1600s.  They may go back further than 
that.

I was just looking at the Colotlan films today and was very 
pleasantly surprised to find that the majority of the records are for 
indigenous people and that they are assigned to their historical 
communities in the city... Tlaxcala (which was the Tlaxacltec 
section), Tochopa, Sayotlan, etc.

I bet it is possible to trace the Tlaxcaltec lineages down to the 
modern times. 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
  

Archivo General de la Nacion

Joseph,

I have already sent him an email telling him about Rosalinda's
interest in some documents from the Archivo General de la Nación.  I
will ask him next time if it is OK to have his contact information in
one of the private sections of the group.

Regarding your other question about service rates, he explained that
he usually finds out what type of document is requested before quoting
a price.  As you can understand it is not the same transcribing a XVI
century manuscript than a XVII century.  Other thing to consider is
the document's lenght.  All this applies where you know the exact
reference to the document you want, that is, the index numbers from
the AGN search engine.  If someone has just a vague idea about a
person, place or event and wants to find what information is available
that is whole different project.

And finally, in regard to Marge's question, I sent my payment by
"Dinero Express" of Banco Azteca, a service like Western Union. 
Although it is possible that there

Archivo General de la Nacion

How did you send his payment? Marge:)



On Oct 14, 2005, at 9:24 PM, v.h.villarreal wrote:


Rosalinda,



If you or anyone else ever needs to research a document at AGN, I met

a gentleman (via another genealogy forum) that resides in Mexico City

and can provide that kind of services for a very reasonable fee.



I recently asked him to get me a transcription of a couple of

documents from the 1740s and I was very satisfied with his

paleographic work.  He also got and sent me via email an scanned image

of a section from a 1594 "Testamento".



Victor



-----------------------------------------------



Hi all--



Here's the main page for the Archivo:



http://www.agn.gob.mx/inicio.php?cu=in



I found under "instrumentos de consulta" some search  pages.



http://www.agn.gob.mx/inicio.php?cu=ic&sc=ic



If you click Argenta III, then Argento II, you can then enter a search

name/word, and you can select under the pull-down menu Groupo

Documental "999 Todos los groupos documentos," which is

NARA Border Crossing Records

Emilie,
My understanding is that NARA has not yet finished the filming of all 
the border crossing records (@Mexican border). They started with the 
smaller points of entry, leaving El Paso, TX for last. I think they 
hope to have filming completed by the end of 2006.
Have you seen the following site (explains the NARA plan)?:
www.archives.gov/genealogy/immigration/border-mexico.html
NOTE: border crossing records were created/kept 1903-1950; the first 
format of the records were based on records for ship manifests (records 
for 1903-1910)- this proved inefficient for folks entering on foot, and 
the format was revised and revised again over the years. I hope this 
information helps a bit. I, too, am waiting to see those El Paso 
records; my father crossed the border (age 4 yrs) at El Paso in 1916.

Have a good day - take care.

Natalie in VA






Archivo General de la Nacion

yes lets get his name to the group so if other care to use him (well
Victor maybe you can ask him first). . .maybe ask if your rate would
also apply to other group members? thanks joseph



lareina2@... wrote:

Victor--
 
That's great news, since I found a couple of documents that look
interesting.  I'm still searching, but could you email me his name and
what steps I need to take to pay him for his services (since I'm in
California)?


Thanks,
 
Rosalinda


-----Original Message-----

From: "v.h.villarreal"

Sent: Oct 14, 2005 10:24 PM

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [ranchos] Re: Archivo General de la Nacion



Rosalinda,



If you or anyone else ever needs to research a document at AGN, I met

a gentleman (via another genealogy forum) that resides in Mexico City

and can provide that kind of services for a very reasonable fee.



I recently asked him to get me a transcription of a couple of

documents from the 1740s and I was very satisfied with his

pale

PAF 4 instructions


Angie Godina sends these instructions on how to use PAF 4.0 to send in
your genealogy. . .was it Leticia Leon that asked originally?


PAF 4.0 English Instructions

For an Ancestor Report
1. Select the Ancestor (Parent, Grandparent, ...) for
report.
2. From the File menu, select the 'Print Reports...'
option.
3. From the Reports and Charts panel, select the Books
tab.  The starting person will be the ancestor that
was selected from step 1.
4. For book type, select Ahnentafel (Ancestry) radio
button.
5. Choose the desired options or leave the default
options.
6. Select the 'Print to File' check box.
7. Select the Print button.

Note: For a Descendancy Report, select an end-of-line
ancestor and then select the Modified register
(Descendancy) radio button

PAF 4.0 Instrucciones en Español

Para un Informe Antepasado

1. Escoge su pariente (Padre, Abuelo, ...) para el
Informe.
2. Del Archivo menú, escoge 'Imprimir Informes...'
opción.

3. Del Informes y Cuadros panel, escoge Libros tab.

Help With Questions

Emilie:

I live just a few blocks from NARA's main building here in Washington 
DC.  If you give me your father's full information I can try and look 
him up when I am down there next.  I still have not found my 
grandfather's border crossing records either and the people at NARA 
are not very helpful... the records and films are not very easily 
useable and the films are horrible quality as well.  It really makes 
me appreciate the FHC and the quality of LDS films, systems, etc.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"  
wrote:
>
> To Michael Gonsalez:
> 
> Thanks for the information you provided to Joseph below.  I had to 
laugh at the part where you say "those of us who are still in the 
early 1900s researching our great grand parents and their brothers 
and sisters".  It made me feel so old.  I am trying to find an 
immigration record for my father. He came from Zacatecas in 1913 
through the border crossing at El Paso TX.  I would so much like to 
see

Jonathan's Film File-was-file uploaded to ranchos

Thank you, Maria.  I know, when my father registered me at birth he made two mistakes which I did not discover for many years.  He gave the wrong name and I was a whole day older!  I realize that my mom who tried to keep family records had several dates that did not agree and I guess the thing to do is to keep an open mind and look at the information available knowing that perhaps somewhere down the line it may clear up.  I have been searching family but it had not become the exciting thing it is since I came across Ranchos.  The group is so quick to help each other.  Now I hurry home from work to see what has happened while I was away!
Mary

readysetgo95814 wrote:

Mary,

Depending on the type of record you have at home it may not be as
accurate as the baptismal record. For the purpose of establishing a
date of birth a baptismal record would be considered the primary
source, than say a death record. The person giving the deceased's
date of birth for the death certificate was

Jonathan's Film File-was-file uploaded to ranchos

Mary,

Depending on the type of record you have at home it may not be as 
accurate as the baptismal record. For the purpose of establishing a 
date of birth a baptismal record would be considered the primary 
source, than say a death record. The person giving the deceased's 
date of birth for the death certificate was anyone but the deceased, 
so they could easily make a mistake.  The spelling of the name 
(Refugio vs. Refugia) I wouldn't be too concerned with either.  I've 
seen records where the priest writes the name two different ways in 
the same record!  If all the names and the place and time period 
match up, then it is likely the same Petra Romero you are researching.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Mary Allen  
wrote:
>
> I actually do have that record and I have been studying it because 
in records at home I found her birthdate as June 8, 1873.  Perhaps 
the 1872 date is incorrect.    I recall as a girl that she would 
insist she was indeed from

Archivo General de la Nacion

Victor--
 
That's great news, since I found a couple of documents that look interesting.  I'm still searching, but could you email me his name and what steps I need to take to pay him for his services (since I'm in California)?

Thanks,
 
Rosalinda

-----Original Message-----
From: "v.h.villarreal"
Sent: Oct 14, 2005 10:24 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Archivo General de la Nacion

Rosalinda,

If you or anyone else ever needs to research a document at AGN, I met
a gentleman (via another genealogy forum) that resides in Mexico City
and can provide that kind of services for a very reasonable fee.

I recently asked him to get me a transcription of a couple of
documents from the 1740s and I was very satisfied with his
paleographic work.  He also got and sent me via email an scanned image
of a section from a 1594 "Testamento".

Victor

-----------------------------------------------

Hi all--

Here's the main page for the Archivo:

http://www.agn.gob.mx/inicio.php?cu=in

I found under

Archivo General de la Nacion

Rosalinda,

If you or anyone else ever needs to research a document at AGN, I met
a gentleman (via another genealogy forum) that resides in Mexico City
and can provide that kind of services for a very reasonable fee.

I recently asked him to get me a transcription of a couple of
documents from the 1740s and I was very satisfied with his
paleographic work.  He also got and sent me via email an scanned image
of a section from a 1594 "Testamento".

Victor

-----------------------------------------------

Hi all--
 
Here's the main page for the Archivo:
 
http://www.agn.gob.mx/inicio.php?cu=in
 
I found under "instrumentos de consulta" some search  pages. 
 
http://www.agn.gob.mx/inicio.php?cu=ic&sc=ic
 
If you click Argenta III, then Argento II, you can then enter a search
name/word, and you can select under the pull-down menu Groupo
Documental "999 Todos los groupos documentos," which is the last
choice.  Then  you can search all of the categories.
 
It appears they offer services as

researching film at FHC

Linda,

FYI, there is a free edition of Legacy Family Tree software.
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/
It lacks some of the functions of the Deluxe Edition but it still does
so much, including the report I wrote about.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
 wrote:
>
> Victor, thank you for your tips, I've been told Legacy is the 
> Cadillac of genealogy softwear and I will keep it in mind as my next 
> purchase of genealogy tools. My computer skills are limited and it's 
> a learn as I go project.  I just started using the Family Tree 
> program that allows me to put in people who are not related to each 
> other so that when I can tie in a line I only have to merge them, 
> what a blessing that has been!
> thanks again, Linda
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Linda,
> > 
> > I have developed a somewhat similar system but I make use of a
> > function built into my genealogy software

Trip to Jalisco, Zacatecas

Arturo,

I've been to the Ixtlahuacan del Rio parrish twice. My first time 
going I called about a month prior to my trip and asked for the 
specific records. The girl agreed to have them ready when I got 
there. When I arrived the girl was very nice, but said she hadn't had 
time to get the records, but she still had the list of names and 
dates. There were quite a few and I offered to help her look through 
the books. She allowed me to look through the books and get xerox 
copies!  The books were from the early to mid 1800's and were in 
fairly good shape. The cover appeared to be a piece of leather and 
for a clasp it had a string wound around a button. I had taken a gift 
to her and she was very happy.  I offered a donation at the end, but 
she would not take it.

My second trip was not as fruitful. There were two teenagers working 
there who were not very helpful and the office was full people 
waiting for help. I had a fairly long list, and they were having 
trouble finding the

New file uploaded to ranchos

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ranchos 
group.

  File        : /Peggy Delgado (peggydee@...)/Raigosa Family.rtf 
  Uploaded by : peggydelgado  
  Description : Jalisco and Zacatecas 

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/files/Peggy%20Delgado%20%28peggydee%40charter.net%29/Raigosa%20Family.rtf 

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

peggydelgado 
 






New file uploaded to ranchos

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ranchos 
group.

  File        : /Peggy Delgado (peggydee@...)/Aguirre Family.rtf 
  Uploaded by : peggydelgado  
  Description : Aguirre Family of Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico 

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/files/Peggy%20Delgado%20%28peggydee%40charter.net%29/Aguirre%20Family.rtf 

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

peggydelgado 
 






Help With Questions

To Michael Gonsalez:
 
Thanks for the information you provided to Joseph below.  I had to
laugh at the part where you say "those of us who are still in
the early 1900s researching our great grand parents and their brothers and
sisters".  It made me feel so old.  I am trying to find an immigration
record for my father. He came from Zacatecas in 1913 through the border
crossing at El Paso TX.  I would so much like to see a record of his
crossing, but NARA has been no help.  The NARA office across the Sound in
Seattle said they do not have the films for border crossings at El Paso for that
period of time.  They said that their office in Berkeley, CA or someplace
had them.  Since my sister was living in San Jose at the time, she went
there and looked but was not able to complete her search and now she has moved
to Las Vegas. You said you lived in Ft. Worth.  Might you have a NARA there
that has the El Paso border crossing records for around 1913?
 
Thanks,
 
Emilie Garcia
P