Nuestros Ranchos Site

My grandmother went thru tough times in Totatiche, Jalisco, including
the Mexican revolution during the early 1900s and then the Cristero
Wars some years later. She used to tell us stories of many of the
hardships she and my grandfather had to endure. As my grandfather was
a professor at the catholic seminary he was considered an enemy of the
state during the Cristero Wars. Several attempts were made to kill
him. We were told that during those times they always had a guard
posted at the top of the church, day and night, whose job was to alert
the town whenever any soldiers were approaching. When that happened
they had to flee and hide in the hills for weeks at a time until the
troops left the town. My grandmother recalled how she had to give
birth in the wilderness while they were hiding and how she lost one of
her children consequently. Another one was lost by drowning in the
river. And some other of her children died by disease and lack of
medicines. Out of 18 births only 12 survived

I just looked at my first informacion matrimonial film recently and 
there is a wealth of information in those... a bit of a waste of 
paper and ink, since a lot of it is the declarations of the husband 
and wife to be, which are obviously dictated by the priest and then 
the witnesses who attest to the verbatim same thing about the non-
consanguinity, single state of the couple, etc.  However, if the 
marriage record does not list parents, the informacion most 
definitely will... because of the consnguinity issue.

My problem with Marcos LEMUS and Maria Barbara YBARRA is that I 
cannot find their marriage record at all.  I don't even know what 
parrish they were married in.  Almost definitely not in Colotlan, 
where I would expect, because I have gone through the entire IGI 
extract for the relevant film and there is nothing that remotely 
approaches their names... a few Marcos with no last name but not 
married to any Marias or Barbaras.

There also appears to be no baptismal record

What I found was Cienega de Abajo in the municipio of Tabasco and a 
Ciana de Abajo aka Santa Potenciana in the municipio of Valparaiso.

I hope that this helps.

Jonathan

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I have attached a document from FHL Intl 445242 Entierros (Tepetongo,
Zacatecas) that is a marriage document. I have found others. Being
listed among the dead is no way to start a marriage. But, it is another
reason to look at entierros.

George

Joseph Puentes wrote:

I love death records. . .hmmm, that didn't sound right.

I've found great wealth in them, but have to agree that the
information can sometimes be very slim in them. I find that if the
person was married it will many times only give the spouses name but
if the person died as a child then the parents. But in those uncommon
but wonderful cases it gives the spouse and the parents. and the age
and the location and that they were previously married (but not who
to). And the cause of death.

I've found a few that gave all the details and agonized over the ones
that I so much wanted the details but all it gave was the name of the
person and spouses name and cause of death.

my Grandfather had 11 siblings according

Hi Arturo and all,

I've been following this thread because I hit a brick wall on one of 
my lines and had the same thought as Arturo--to look at the death 
records.  However, a recent post by Jonathan got me thinking of 
ordering the Informacion Matrimonial film.  I had not planned on 
ordering that film because I have a copy of the marriage record for 
the couple in question.  I've changed my mind since and I think I'll 
take my chances with the Informacion Matrimonal for the couple.  I 
may find more info there than in the death records.  I thought I 
would mention that to you Arturo, in case that film is available for 
the parrish you are interested in.

Maria

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> Arturo,  again I have found the same things in the death records as 
has Alicia.  I always thought my grandmother was an only child, but 
when I checked birth and death records, I found that infant mortality 
was high then.  Also, if a child

Hi Arturo and all,

I've been following this thread because I hit a brick wall on one of 
my lines and had the same thought as Arturo--to look at the death 
records.  However, a recent post by Jonathan got me thinking of 
ordering the Informacion Matrimonial film.  I had not planned on 
ordering that film because I have a copy of the marriage record for 
the couple in question.  I've changed my mind since and I think I'll 
take my chances with the Informacion Matrimonal for the couple.  I 
may find more info there than in the death records.  I thought I 
would mention that to you Arturo, in case that film is available for 
the parrish you are interested in.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"  
wrote:
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> Arturo,  again I have found the same things in the death records as 
has Alicia.  I always thought my grandmother was an only child, but 
when I checked birth and death records, I found that infant mortality 
was high then.  Also, if a child

I looked for it but couldn't find it. I even looked in the Cubas
dictionary and came up with nothing.

joseph


campezina wrote:

Can someone tell me where these two ranchos are located?

Can someone tell me anything about them?

I understand that families of Apache descendancy settled here  from
the US.  Can anyone shed some light on this?

Elvira







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Josie & Linda,

We share the same haplogroup A.  Although we're not an exact match we
do match on some numbers.  Since we're dealing here with mitochondrial
DNA, in contrast to Y chromosome DNA, it means that our female common
ancestor lived thousands of years ago, in prehistorical times.

Mitochondrial DNA is best suited to determine what is called "Deep
Ancestry" of our maternal lineage.  We definitely share the same
Native American roots in the distant past.

Warm Regards,

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T. Trevino"  wrote:
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> Message: 8       Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 03:55:34 -000        From:
"Erlinda
> Castanon-Long" 
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> Subject: Re: Haplogroup A ancestor
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> Victor you do match me on 4 numbers. mine are:Haplo group A 16111T
16223T
> 16290T 16319A 16335G 16362C 16526A
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> Josie, what were your numbers if you don't mind sharing? 
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> Linda in Everett
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