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A "WILD GUESS" only...
>From personal experience my opinion is: 

Jose Maria Miramontes was a probable padrino
erroneously mentioned before the baptized legitimate
parents... thus ( ). 

Jose Maria Miramontes could of been the father, died,
and the viuda remarried prior to childs birth.

Jose Maria Miramontes may have been related to Maria
Guadalupe De Luna. I make this statement based on a
theory,,, relations of the Miramontes and De Luna from
Tlaltenango, Zacatecas in the first half of the 17th
century: 

What time frame is your bautismo record?


--- Arturo Ramos  wrote:

> Has anyone run across this or have an inkling of
> what it might mean?
> 
> ...que nacio en Santa Cruz, el dia veintiseis del
> corriente a las once 
> de la manana a la que puse por nombre Luisa, hija
> legitima de (Jose 
> Maria Miramontes) Telesforo Gutierrez y Maria
> Guadalupe de Luna.  
> Abuelos paternos Catarino y Anastacia Jara...
> 
> Who is this man Jose Maria Miramontes and what is

I will venture my opinion regarding this matter.  I haven't found any similar record but this is my opinion.

I believe both names refer to the same person, Jose Maria Miramontes and Telesforo Gutierrez.  But the scribe, unwilling to act against his conscience and being in any way untruthful, he decided to write the person's baptismal given name and the person's self-declared, newly (for whatever reasons) adopted name.  Besides, the church's sacramental books were privy objects, or so they thought at that time, so who would question?.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" wrote:
>
> Could it also be that, at the baptism, conflicting information was given by the parties present, and the sacristan or priest noted all names, but put in parentheses that info that did not sound likely to be the case?
>
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ---
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: elviraz
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Hello Emilie,

I don't know if I can be much help with the Olague surname but I will 
give you what information I have. I have two Olague lines that I found 
just this year. One is when I found my ancestors Pedro Chavez Banuelos 
married to Aguada Olague in 1681 whos parents are Miguel Olague and 
Juana De La Torre Del Rio. The other line is Sebastiana Olague married 
to Francisco Davila Caldera in 1713 no parents for her because she was 
married before to a Nicolas Dena. But I did find a despensa in the 
Sagrada Mitra book that says Sebastiana was the hija natural of Jorge 
Olague doesn't give her mothers name. 
Thank you and all the group for your warm welcome. Since I came upon 
this site it has been so enjoyable reading all those messages. 

Regards
Sally

Has anyone run across this or have an inkling of what it might mean?

...que nacio en Santa Cruz, el dia veintiseis del corriente a las once 
de la manana a la que puse por nombre Luisa, hija legitima de (Jose 
Maria Miramontes) Telesforo Gutierrez y Maria Guadalupe de Luna.  
Abuelos paternos Catarino y Anastacia Jara...

Who is this man Jose Maria Miramontes and what is his relation to this 
baptism?

nice site for first names:

http://www.thinkbabynames.com

Hello group,
I am fairly new to the group  and really enjoy reading what everyone has to say. Also rejoice in the information  that is found and the excitment that it brings. I am touched every time I see that someone has found new information about there family. Thank you for sharing all your feelings with everyone. I for one am encouraged to keep looking and digging!
Hope
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From: Margarita Vallazza 
Date: 2005/10/25 Tue PM 09:02:06 CDT
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Sally's Introduction

Wow!!!! Based on what Sally told me in another message, I'd say I'm a  
Banuelos descendant as well!!!!! Yaaaaahooooo!!!! Marge:)
On Oct 25, 2005, at 4:49 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

>
>
>  matthew_chavez1 wrote:
>> Dear Joseph and members,
>>
>> My name is Sally Zuñiga-Quiñones I live in Hollister Ca. My reseach
>> on my paternal grandmother has been from Teocaliche Jal. Some of her
>> lines have taken me

Hello Alice,

Would love to meet you some day my only problem is I don't drive very 
far from Hollister any more.  Use  to in my younger years, San Jose  
is just has to much traffic for me.

Regards
Sally

Hello Marge,

We are primas my descened comes from Juana Maria Chavez married to 
Luis Silva in 1738 she was the daugther of Francisco Chavez-Clara de 
Los Reyes.
I don't have a copy for Pedro Chavez Banuelos and Agueda Olague 
marriage but I can tell you where I found that information.
Go to Heraldica y Genealogia Cabral Valdes he has a big web site  on 
many names from Jerez and Monte Escovedo beware that there are some 
errors. When you get to the site enter
1 click on appellidos
2 click on the letter B
3 click on Banuelos
4 click on Indice de Nombres
5 scroll down to Pedro Chavez y Banuelos
6 click on Notas

You will find the information for Pedro and Agueda's marriage.
It states that there was a despenesa for this marriage in the 3rd 
with 4th grado. I have the Sagrada Mitra book and it is not in there.
I did write  to Mr. Cabral several months ago to see how I could 
obtain a copy but he never got back to me.

Regards  
Sally

Hello Arturo,

I looked up your file and perhaps some day we will make a connection.
My first Nava (gtgrandmother) was born in Juanchorrey Zac. Her father 
and grandfather were all married in Juanchorrey Zac. The next 3 
generations which takes me to about 1710 were from Monte Escovedo.
As for my Gonzales, Carlos and De La Torre they were from 
Tepetongo,Jerez and Juanchorrey.

Regards
Sally

Wow!!!! Based on what Sally told me in another message, I'd say I'm a Banuelos descendant as well!!!!! Yaaaaahooooo!!!! Marge:)

On Oct 25, 2005, at 4:49 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

matthew_chavez1 wrote:

Dear Joseph and members,



My name is Sally Zuñiga-Quiñones I live in Hollister Ca. My reseach

on my paternal grandmother has been from Teocaliche Jal. Some of her

lines have taken me to other cities as San Miguel El Alto

Jalostotitlan,Lagos de Moreno,San Juan de Los Lagos,Cienaga Mata,

Jalisco also Pinos Zacatecas, Asientos and Aguascalientes, Aguas.

Some of my surnames are Colmenero,Marin,Diaz,Tejeda,(Z)Sermeño,Ortiz,

Villalobos,Ornelas and others.

On my paternal grandfather my research has been from Tepetongo Zac.

also from Jerez and Monte Escovedo. He was born in Juanchorrey Zac.

some of my surnames are Zuñiga,Nava,Gonzales,Silva,Berumen,Luna,

Carlos,De La Torre,Olague,Chavez,Bañuelos

welcome to the group,



joseph

,Aro and others.

I appreciate the opportunity to join this

Sally, you're NOT going to believe this but I am looking right at a copy of a 1695 christening record of one of their kids (Teresa de Chaves). Agueda Olague was the daughter of Juana de la Torre and Miguel Olague, which I found at the familysearch.org--however, I'm not descended from Teresa, I'm directly descended from Agueda's and Pedro's son Francisco, who married Clara de los Reyes. (don't know when, had to be before 1726). Their daughter, Phelipa Gertrudis de Chaves(z) married her second cousin Cristobal Villavicencio (b. about 1732 in Jerez) at Los Chaves. Their apparent only child, Juliana del Carmen Villavicencio (isn't that a beautiful name?) was born in 1758 in Las Tetillas, Jerez.



Where did you get Agueda and Pedro's marriage info? I would love to get a copy. Marge:)





On Oct 25, 2005, at 5:55 PM, matthew_chavez1 wrote:

Dear Marge,

When I first came upon ranchos yahoo groups I

read every message over a period of time. I remember your name and

thought we could

Dear Joseph and members,

My name is Sally Zuñiga-Quiñones I live in Hollister Ca. My reseach
on my paternal grandmother has been from Teocaliche Jal. Some of her
lines have taken me to  other cities as San Miguel El Alto
Jalostotitlan,Lagos de Moreno,San Juan de Los Lagos,Cienaga Mata,
Jalisco also Pinos Zacatecas, Asientos and Aguascalientes, Aguas.
Some of my surnames are Colmenero,Marin,Diaz,Tejeda,(Z)Sermeño,Ortiz,
Villalobos,Ornelas and others.
On my paternal grandfather my research has been from Tepetongo Zac.
also from Jerez and Monte Escovedo. He was born in Juanchorrey Zac.
some of my surnames are Zuñiga,Nava,Gonzales,Silva,Berumen,Luna,
Carlos,De La Torre,Olague,Chavez,Bañuelos,Aro and others.
I appreciate the opportunity

Dear Marge,
When I first came upon ranchos yahoo groups I
 read every message over a period of time. I remember your name and 
thought we could possibly make a connection. I never connected the 
Colmenero's from Jerez to my grandmothers Colmenero's In Teocaltiche.
I havn't seen to many files from the members yet. I do have a Pedro 
Chavez Banuelos married to Agueda Olague Del Rio Etulain on 8 Dec 1681 
and thier parents. My Zuniga married an Aro in 1793. 

Sally

Dear Sally,

Welcome! An ancestor of mine had a sister who married a Colmenero. I have Gonzalez, Ortiz, de la Torre, Chavez, and Olague in my family tree. I am descended from a Zuniga and an Haro, too. My Saldivars married into the Colmeneros and the Colmeneros married into the Berumen and Carlos families. They, in turn, married into the Banuelos. These are all Jerezanos. Marge V.:)





On Oct 25, 2005, at 2:32 PM, matthew_chavez1 wrote:

Dear Joseph and members,



My name is Sally Zuñiga-Quiñones I live in Hollister Ca. My reseach

on my paternal grandmother has been from Teocaliche Jal. Some of her

lines have taken me to  other cities as San Miguel El Alto

Jalostotitlan,Lagos de Moreno,San Juan de Los Lagos,Cienaga Mata,

Jalisco also Pinos Zacatecas, Asientos and Aguascalientes, Aguas.

Some of my surnames are Colmenero,Marin,Diaz,Tejeda,(Z)Sermeño,Ortiz,

Villalobos,Ornelas and others.

On my paternal grandfather my research has been from Tepetongo Zac.

also from Jerez

Dear Joseph and members, 

My name is Sally Zuñiga-Quiñones I live in Hollister Ca. My reseach 
on my paternal grandmother has been from Teocaliche Jal. Some of her 
lines have taken me to  other cities as San Miguel El Alto 
Jalostotitlan,Lagos de Moreno,San Juan de Los Lagos,Cienaga Mata,
Jalisco also Pinos Zacatecas, Asientos and Aguascalientes, Aguas.
Some of my surnames are Colmenero,Marin,Diaz,Tejeda,(Z)Sermeño,Ortiz,
Villalobos,Ornelas and others.
On my paternal grandfather my research has been from Tepetongo Zac. 
also from Jerez and Monte Escovedo. He was born in Juanchorrey Zac. 
some of my surnames are Zuñiga,Nava,Gonzales,Silva,Berumen,Luna,
Carlos,De La Torre,Olague,Chavez,Bañuelos,Aro and others.
I appreciate the opportunity to join this group and share with you 
my information. I will enter my information as soon as I can figure 
how this is done. 

Thank You 
Sally