Franciscan Covenant Records: was-Trip to Jalisco, Zacatecas
Only 1720 on are filmed and in the databases, because those are the actual parish records of the San Luis parish. However, Esteban Valdes Salazar refers to Franciscan convent archives that are held at the parish when citing marriage and baptismal records from the mid and late 1600s. They may go back further than that. I was just looking at the Colotlan films today and was very pleasantly surprised to find that the majority of the records are for indigenous people and that they are assigned to their historical communities in the city... Tlaxcala (which was the Tlaxacltec section), Tochopa, Sayotlan, etc. I bet it is possible to trace the Tlaxcaltec lineages down to the modern times. --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puenteswrote: > > > > Arturo Ramos wrote: > > >There are a whole set of records from the original Franciscan Convent > >set up in Colotlan in 1591 that are supposedly at the Colotlan > >church. These include baptismal and marriage
Films Database - Sagrada Mitra
I believe that I have uploaded most of the films that were in the individual files in RANCHOS2. Can those of you who have files there check and let me know if I missed some... I guess the next step is to put the IGI/VRI batch numbers associated with the films. If anybody has these for one of the towns that is already there, please add them. I have ordered three Sagrada Mitra films as well. I will report back on what those films are like. I imagine they have a wealth of infomation. FYI in case you want me to do a lookup of a citation that you have found from Luz Montejano's book... these are the films I requested... 0167992 0168004 0168006
Franciscan Covenant Records: was-Trip to Jalisco, Zacatecas
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There are a whole set of records from the original Franciscan Convent set up in Colotlan in 1591 that are supposedly at the Colotlan church. These include baptismal and marriage records prior to the foundation of the actual church in 1720 (all of these on FHC films)... These are the ones I really want to look at. just want to clarify. . .are you saying that the 1591-1720 records are I imagine that since the civil registry has to have mechanisms to obtain copies of documents in their possession, they can be more reticent about letting people see the originals... plus I have heard that documents created since the time civil registry was instituted in Mexico are in worse shape than the old baptismal records because of printing on non-acid-free paper, whereas old records were |
Researching a place
Wow! The messages have been amazing the past few days. Thanks to all who have shared their insights regarding research. (Confession: I am really bummed - I was writing this message, and had written quite a bit, then accidentally hit the wrong key, and lost the entire message. Now I am going to try to reconstruct, and hope I don't leave anything out.) One of the things stressed by Dr. George Ryskamp at the recent Hispanic Family History Symposium held at the National Archives in Washington, DC, was the importance of knowing/understanding the locality of your ancestors. Learn about the geography, community, economy, culture, etc. Get to know about the jurisdictional concepts for your locality: political, ecclisiastical, judicial, military, etc. He highly recommended the preparation of a written locality report. In another presentation he mentioned the National Archives of Mexico - it sounded amazing. Has anyone in this group been there? BTW, his bibliography was quite
researching film at FHC
Victor, thank you for your tips, I've been told Legacy is the Cadillac of genealogy softwear and I will keep it in mind as my next purchase of genealogy tools. My computer skills are limited and it's a learn as I go project. I just started using the Family Tree program that allows me to put in people who are not related to each other so that when I can tie in a line I only have to merge them, what a blessing that has been! thanks again, Linda --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"wrote: > > Linda, > > I have developed a somewhat similar system but I make use of a > function built into my genealogy software (Legacy) where I print out a > "source citation report". Of course this requires that everytime you > find a record on the IGI and make an entry in your genealogy database > that you record the batch number AND the date of the event as a source. > > With your source citation report on hand you just sort by > chronological order the
researching film at FHC
Linda, I have developed a somewhat similar system but I make use of a function built into my genealogy software (Legacy) where I print out a "source citation report". Of course this requires that everytime you find a record on the IGI and make an entry in your genealogy database that you record the batch number AND the date of the event as a source. With your source citation report on hand you just sort by chronological order the entries grouped by source (batch number). Then, when you get a chance to review the microfilm of each batch number you just locate each date from your report in a forward sequence, take a picture (or transcribe the manuscript) and move to the next, etc. The ideal thing would be to read the whole book from start to finish but the circumstances usually make it impractical if not impossible. This is a very efficient method to get your records fast. Let's say you need some 20 or 30 records from a microfilm you can get them in about an hour. Hope this
researching film at FHC
I have started using the batch numbers to do the groundwork before going to the FHC to read the actual films. There are so many entries that are smeared or too light to read that having them read by someone else has been a Godsend. In doing marriage records for Tamazula the online batch # gave me a marriage for my ancestor Benito Gutierrez that I never would have been able to read on my own. I allow for misspelled names and missing dates. There are times when I know I will have to order the film a second time but when time is an issue pulling all the surnames I'm researching with the % and a surname has saved the day more than once. Now when I go to read the film I've already started my record with dates and names in sequence so I do them first and then go back and do the complete record a second time. I always order at least 2 films because one usually is being used by someone else and I've waited up to 2 months for a film to arrive or as little as 8 days. My husband
Trip to Jalisco, Zacatecas
I went to Zacatatecas and visited a number of towns. Fortunately, I was able to take a long-lost relative to Valparaiso, Zacatecas, where he showed me around, including taking me to the Iglesia of that city. He knew somebody there at the church but that person was not available. He then took me to directly to a small office located adjacent to the church, where all the baptism/marriage/death records were kept. We asked if we could review baptism records but we received only a cold stare, not a no and not a yes. I got the definite impression that it was not allowed. My friend and I kept talking in Spanish, being friendly, and dropping a few apellidos here and there; I imagine the entire town is related directly or indirectly if you go back far enough. Anyway, after a little more chit-chat, I told her exactly what years and types of records I wanted to see, e.g. 1890-1895 baptisms. Amazingly, she brought out the INDEX to those baptisms, which included dates, names
Trip to Jalisco, Zacatecas
There are a whole set of records from the original Franciscan Convent set up in Colotlan in 1591 that are supposedly at the Colotlan church. These include baptismal and marriage records prior to the foundation of the actual church in 1720 (all of these on FHC films)... These are the ones I really want to look at. I imagine that since the civil registry has to have mechanisms to obtain copies of documents in their possession, they can be more reticent about letting people see the originals... plus I have heard that documents created since the time civil registry was instituted in Mexico are in worse shape than the old baptismal records because of printing on non-acid-free paper, whereas old records were written with much more durable inks on much more durable paper. We will see. I am looking at writing to the parish head before I head down and perhaps getting a local historian to vouch for me. --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillowrote: > >
Films in Database
Joseph, the films with no name are simply films with batch numbers next to them, so that they can more easily be searched in IGI and VRI. The database was originally for batch numbers and it has only recently been updated to include permanent loan information. Thus the missing permanent loan info on some and missing batch info on others. --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puenteswrote: > > great thanks and whose's films are those that don't have names in the > permanent loan column? > > does anyone know? > > joseph > > ps: they look like mine but I didn't enter them so they aren't > > > > Arturo Ramos wrote: > > >I have uploaded David Serna's and Rosalinda Ruiz's films to the > >database. Most of them do not have batch numbers but they are listed > >so you know who has them at their local FHL. I will try to add batch > >numbers to them and try to upload Joseph's and some others as I have > >time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups
Jonathan's Film File-was-file uploaded to ranchos
jose munoz
Mary Allen, do you have this record?
IGI Individual Record FamilySearch? International
Genealogical Index v5.0
Mexico
PETRA ROMERO GONZALES
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 27 MAY 1872 Nuestro Padre Jesus,
Salinas Del Penon Blanco, San Luis Potosi, Mexico
Parents:
Father: VICTOR ROMERO Family
Mother: REFUGIA GONZALES
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout
Call No.: Type:
Batch: K601881 1864 - 1875 Film
Jonathan's Film File-was-file uploaded to ranchos
Mary Allen, do you have this record? IGI Individual Record FamilySearch? International Genealogical Index v5.0 Mexico PETRA ROMERO GONZALES Female Event(s): Birth: Christening: 27 MAY 1872 Nuestro Padre Jesus, Salinas Del Penon Blanco, San Luis Potosi, Mexico Parents: Father: VICTOR ROMERO Family Mother: REFUGIA GONZALES Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: Batch: K601881 1864 - 1875 Film #0708217 Just Curious Jose Munoz Yuba City, Ca. --- Mary Allenwrote: > Jonathan, you are so kind and encouraging. > > I am especially concerned about my grandfather Jose > Adalberto Garana. This is all I know about him: > He was born in 1873 in Mexico but I don't know > where. I don't know his father's name but I believe > his mother was Maria Garana. This leads me to > believe that his father's name was something else. > He was educated by the Augustinians and the Jesuits
Trip to Jalisco, Zacatecas
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Alicia,
Did you try requesting the documents from the state
registrar? The municipalities always make two books of the vital records (the original which gets sent to the capital and the duplicate which stays in the municipality). Frequently, if you did not find it in the
municipality you'll find the record in the Registro Civil del Estado, whatever state it is. You can find the address on the internet by googling it. If you are looking for someone in 1925 you might
try looking in the 1930 census film. You might find that person there including the whole family and where they are from. Censo de población del municipio de Nochistlán de Mejía, Zacatecas
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FHL INTL Film 1520535 Items 6-7 |
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Films in Database
great thanks and whose's films are those that don't have names in the
permanent loan column?
does anyone know? joseph ps: they look like mine but I didn't enter them so they aren't Arturo Ramos wrote:
I have uploaded David Serna's and Rosalinda Ruiz's films to the
database. Most of them do not have batch numbers but they are listed
so you know who has them at their local FHL. I will try to add batch
numbers to them and try to upload Joseph's and some others as I have
time.
Yahoo! Groups Links
Films on permanent loan.
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why not talk to Salt Lake and pettition them to allow your films to be
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Help With Questions
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great. Thanks Michael. I'll have a look and see if I can gleam a few
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Films on permanent loan.
Trip to Jalisco, Zacatecas
Jonathan's Film File-was-file uploaded to ranchos
Trip to Jalisco, Zacatecas
Arturo, When I was in El Limon Jalisco in 2003 we went to the parish office and talked with the girl in the office who told us we could not look at the actual books even though they were on the shelf behind her. The priest walked in and asked what family we were looking for? My cousin's husband was trying to find his Santana ancestors who turned out to be part of the priests family. He asked what year and took out a book wrapped in plastic because it was frail. We opened it and the pages started turning to dust and blowing away. Needless to say we closed it immediately and thanked him for allowing us to try. It's very dry there and no special precautions were taken to preserve the books. We went to Tamazula de Gordiano Jalisco next and they were so busy that they gave very poor service telling us they tried but couldn't find the records. They had no copy machine so would have to do a form letter for whatever information was found, came home and found the records at
Jonathan's Film File-was-file uploaded to ranchos
For how long, the films stay at the FHC, depends on the Center. Especially, on how much room, they have. Some centers, once the films go on indefinite loan, they stay forever. Others stay until, the center decides to send, them back. That is why it is called "Indinite Loan". In my center, thay stay forever, I have not had a indefinite loan film, go back to Salt Lake. Also, in some centers, they have film copiers and scanners, where you can make your own copies, of the documents, that you want. If you have more questions, let them fly. I am sure that between all of us here in the Ranchos group & the Mexicanfhr group, we can find a answer, for you. Thanks, Jonathan --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Delgado"wrote: > > Good Afternoon fellow researchers.... > > I have a really silly question. Do you members have the actual microfilms > that you refer to in this message? > How is it that you can get them for such a long period of time. When I go > to
Help With Questions
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Hi Joseph,
If you want to see if INS records contain
information on where an individual comes from you might be interested in the following sites. As you might know, INS is no longer. The new Agency is the US Citizenship and Immigrations Services. However, the border crossing records are still available through NARA. I have also attached some Word documents on the specific records that are available and what you can expect to find in them. There are NARA regional sites. I have one here in Ft. Worth but I believe there are six total outside of Washington D.C. Hope this info addresses what you were requesting
below and is of assistance for those of us who are still in the early 1900s researching our great grand parents and their brothers and sisters. The links below contain lots of information and you may find that it won't be neceessary to interview anyone, at least for now. |
Films on permanent loan.
and me both, brother.....
-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@...om
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
v.h.villarreal
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 7:08
PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Films on
permanent loan.Peggy,
I understand your
feelings. The nearest FHC for me usually opens only
on Saturdays and
just for three hours. It has 2 projectors but only
one is in working
order. On my last visit I was shown a letter where
they were asking
for the films I haven't even reviewed to be sent
back. At this rate
it'll take at least a couple of lives to find all
my ancestors.
jah! Maybe I'll find myself in the next life!
Victor
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In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Delgado"
wrote:
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> Good Afternoon fellow researchers....
>
>
I have a really silly question. Do you members have the
actual
microfilms
> that you refer to in this message?
> How is
it that you can get them for such a long period of time.
Whe
Jonathan's Film File-was-file uploaded to ranchos
Mary, If you could tell me, the names and what information, that you have on the grandfathers, that you are searching for. I'll see if I can find anything. Also, to all of the Ranchos members, if you have elusive ancestor, send me the information. And I will see, if I can find anything. Thanks, Jonathan --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Mary Allenwrote: > > Hello, Jonathan: I am one of the newer members, not only in Ranchos but in the whole genealogy experience itself. I have been working steadily for about nine years and made a lot of "progress" but was striking out in all directions and actually don't even know if I was running into ancestors or not. Then I ran into Ranchos and it put the whole thing into focus. Now I am rather excited because by sending out copies of an unidentified photo, I actually have my first "hit". It is a living person, 93 years old, who is the granddaughter of the very man I was looking up. I may really need some help later
