El Teul

Peggy,

 

I don't know if this might be the case for your area of research but I do know that in some municipalities there may be certain years when records, civil or parish have been burned or destroyed, in some cases due to wars, revolutions a natural disaster such as fire or some other strange occurence. You might want to look into this. It's possible to check on a website to your research area and you can call the registry and ask if there are any years that are lost or destroyed.

 

Just a thought and suggestion.

 

Alicia

PeggyDelgado
wrote:


I have a small problem.  I was trying to find my maternal
grandfather, who was born in, according to his INS Green card, Teul
in Zacatecas, but I can't find him.  How many Teuls are there in
Zacatecas besides Teul de Gonzales and Teul de Jimenez?  I looked at
both records for his birth year and still couldn't find him.  Is
there another Teul?





El Teul

I have a small problem.  I was trying to find my maternal 
grandfather, who was born in, according to his INS Green card, Teul 
in Zacatecas, but I can't find him.  How many Teuls are there in 
Zacatecas besides Teul de Gonzales and Teul de Jimenez?  I looked at 
both records for his birth year and still couldn't find him.  Is 
there another Teul?





Familia LOPEZ de Los Altos, Jal., Mex.

Bienvenido Armando,
 
En la forma que escribes el espanol parece que has estudiado en Mexico. Que envidia tengo porque como quiciera poder escribir como tu escribes.
 
Mi nombre es Alicia Avelar Aguayo, Olmos, Ruiz de Carrillo y vivo junto con mi esposo en San Jose, California. Mis padres me trajeron a Estados Unidos cuando tenia apenas dos anos de edad y jamas he estudiado el espanol, ni en Mexico ni en Estados Unidos. Nuestros padres inculcaron en nostoros el amor a nuestra lengua, cultura, comida, musica, su gente y todo lo que es tradicional de Mexico. Naci en Tlachichila Zacatecas que pertenece al Municipio de Nochistlan. Nochistlan se encuentra en la parte sur de Zacatecas y justo en Nochistlan colinda con el estado de Jalisco.
 
He notado que tu direccion de correo electronico habla de tres paises, sera porque deciendes de tres nacionalidades? Me intereso mucho tu mensaje porque eres la primer persona que se comunica solo en espanol.
 
Hasta luego y bienvenido al grupo, Alicia

Familia LOPEZ de Los Altos, Jal., Mex.



Armando,



bienvenido al grupo.



ojala que vas a hayar unos familiares de la family Lopez de Los Altos.
Hay muchos aqui de Los Altos pero no se si son de la familia Lopez. Que
son otros appellidos que buscas?



mis parientes vienen mas para el Norte de Jalisco en Ranchos cerca de
Colotlan y Santa Maria de Los Angeles.



desde Jesus Maria, Jalisco aqui estan muchos filmes de actos de
bautismo y matrimonio que puedes mira en una biblioteca genealogica
cerca de usted:


Title

Registros parroquiales, 1796-1962

Authors

Iglesia Católica. Sagrada Familia (Jesús María, Jalisco) (Main
Author)

Notes

Microfilme de manuscritos en el archivo de la parroquia.

Algunos de los libros incluyen índice.

Parish registers of baptisms, confirmations and marriages from Jesús
María, Jalisco, Mexico.

Subjects

Mexico, Jalisco, Jesús María - Church records

Format

Manuscript (On Film)

Language

Spanish

Publication

Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmados por la Sociedad Geneal�gica de
Utah, 1962

Physical

50

Familia LOPEZ de Los Altos, Jal., Mex.

       Distinguidos y estimados compatriotas.
Les deseo lo mejor en este ano.
Estoy muy ancioso de conocer a familiares lejanos de la familia LOPEZ 
de Arandas, y Jesus Maria, Jalisco.
Mi abuelo, Aureliano Lopez Hurtado, n. 1911, en Jesus maria.
Su padre, Vicente Lopez, n. Mayo 19, 1888, en Jesus Maria?, o Arandas, 
Jal., no estoy seguro.
Su padre, de Vicente Lopez, Gregorio Lopez, n. 1852, en Guadalajara, 
Jal., de donde provienen mis antacadentes.
Pienso que de alli viene de Analco, porque eran Rancheros 'criollos'.
No se en cual rancho residaron, en Los Altos, quisiera 
desesperadamente saber.
No tengo comunicacion con ellos.
La familia hoy en dia vive en Los Angeles, Ca.
Se mudaron alli en 1930., con todos los hermanos de Aureliano.
Si alguien es LOPEZ de alii, por favor contactenme, y chequen mis 
mensajes, en 'LOPEZ GENEALOGY.COM'
Gracias, y buena suerte a todos.
Sinceramente, Armando J. Lopez V.




[Fwd: Las Porciones Society Meeting: March 28, 2005]

Anyone living in TX might consider going to this for the GENERAL
information. I know that it doesn't pertain to our specific target area
but the topic of Marriage Investigations certainly does.



joseph



-------- Original Message --------

Subject: Las Porciones Society Meeting: March 28, 2005
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:17:58 -0600
From: George Gause
To: 'George Gause'




LAS PORCIONES SOCIETY

Meeting:  MONDAY, MARCH 28, 2005

Social Hour   6:30 p.m.
Program   7:00 P.M.

FIRST UNITED METHODIST CHURCH
Kionina Room on Eastside of Main Lobby (downstairs)
4200 North McColl Road,  McAllen, Texas
(1 block North of Nolana Loop)

Program:  

MARRIAGE INVESTIGATIONS OF THE DIOCESE OF
 GUADALAJARA PERTAINING TO COAHUILA, NUEVO LEON,
NUEVO SANTADER AND TEXAS
Presented by 
Baldomero Vela, Jr., Co-Author of Index

FUTURE PROGRAMS AND ACTIVITIES-Discussion by 
Membership

Need help with ranchos group

 Joseph,
 
I haven't gone in the yahoo groups in a long time, and today when I wanted to, I couldn't get in.  So I recreated my yahoo account to read lunalatina1955, however I requested that mail from the group still go to my aol email address.  Is there something you need to do to allow me re-access into the groups?
Thanks for all you do.
 
Esperanza

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:34:36 -0500
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Who's Who Listing


Great great suggestion. Everyone should take Angie up on her offer to 
help if you have any problems. This is really pretty straight forward. 
So why not gather your names and places within our Target area (Jalisco, 
Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes) and put them into the database? That way 
someone can see the short description and locations and be able to then 
go directly to your file to see if there is a connection. I'm going to 
do this soon but time prevents me from doing

Who's Who Listing

Great great suggestion. Everyone should take Angie up on her offer to
help if you have any problems. This is really pretty straight forward.
So why not gather your names and places within our Target area (Jalisco,
Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes) and put them into the database? That way
someone can see the short description and locations and be able to then
go directly to your file to see if there is a connection. I'm going to
do this soon but time prevents me from doing it for the next week or so
because of an exam I need to study for. . .


thanks Angie,

joseph


aajay1073 wrote:

HELLO EVERYONE:

I was thinking...

As the group gets bigger and as new members join, it might be easier
to keep track of one another if we had a central sign in area. I
thought if we created a database and everyone entered themselves into
that table, it would help some. The database section of the group is
only available to memebers only.


Here are some instructions on how to add yourself to

Pineda family in Tlaltenango, Zacatecas

Hi Chris,
do you have Juan Pineda in your family? 
He may have married my Great Grandmother, Maria Correa.  My maiden name is Pineda, however, my
grandfather, Jacinto Pineda Sr., was really born Jacinto Aguirre.  My Great-Great grandfather Baudelio
Aguirre died, supposedly, during the revolution and my G-Grandma Marie,
married, here or in Mexico, Juan Pineda. 
He gave my grandfather, my grandfather’s siblings, his last name. My
Aguirre Line and Correa line are all from Tlaltenango.

Anyway, I was
always interested in this man who took another mans children and made them his
own……

I have a
picture of him if you’re interested. 
I don’t know his age, though. 
My G-grandmother Maria died in 1961, she was 70 years old.  I’m guessing he was about the same age,
more or less.

 

Thanks

 

Peggy
Delgado

 

-----Original
Message-----

From: Chris Pineda
[mailto:pineda37@...]

Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005
11:33 AM

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [ranchos] Pineda family
in

Pineda family in Tlaltenango, Zacatecas

Hi all,

I'm new to this group but I would like to say what I'm
searching for at this point. 

I'm looking for any information on the family of my
great-grandparents, Nicanor Pineda and Emilia
Gonzalez, both from Tlaltenango, Zacatecas.  They came
to Laredo, Texas in the 1920s.  

Based on the 1930 Census records that I've found,
Nicanor Pineda was born around 1895 and his wife,
Emilia Gonzalez was born around 1907.  I've looked at
some of the 1890s microfilm from Tlatenango at my
local FHC but have not really had any luck.  I've
realized at this point that the Census records can
often be wrong with dates.  What was interesting was
that I did not find one 'Pineda' but there were
several people with the name 'Pinedo.'

I'm hoping this may connect with somebody out there. 
As a side note, I do have extensive information on my
family roots in Nuevo Leon and Mier, Tamaulipas.  I'll
be loading up later today.

Hope to hear from someone,

Chris Pineda


		
__________________________________

Who's Who Listing

HELLO EVERYONE:

I was thinking...

As the group gets bigger and as new members join, it might be easier 
to keep track of one another if we had a central sign in area.  I 
thought if we created a database and everyone entered themselves into 
that table, it would help some.  The database section of the group is 
only available to memebers only.

Here are some instructions on how to add yourself to the database:

1.  On the left hand side menu, click on "Database".
2.  You should see a list of tables, click on "Who's Who".
Note: Here is a direct link to skip step 1 and 2 -> 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/database?method=reportRows&tbl=2

3.  Click on "Add Record"
4.  Type in your information and Select the "Save Record" button.
5.  You should now see your information in the table.

Let me know if you have any suggestions, comments, questions, etc...

Thanks,
Angie Godina





Monte de Duranes

Lorenzo and I did have some communication and we don't seem to have the same surnames, at least not yet. In any case if there were a connection it would lead to my husband and not to me.
 
However I did find many surnames of Aguayo and Avelar married to Borroel's which is Lorenzo's family lineage and my surnames of interest on my father's side are Avelar (my grandfather and Aguayo, my grandmother. It seems that Nochistlan was and is heavily populated with Aguayo's and Avelars to this date.
 
In my search I also discovered a new surname of Ortega on my GGG maternal grandmother and my GGG paternal grandmother. Another unusual connection was in Julian Carrillo's birth document, it shows his grandmother, his mother's mother as Antonia Olmos, that might put my husband and myself as third or fourth cousins as my maternal grandfather was Lauro Olmos.
 
Pretty convoluted if you ask me!
Alicia

Joseph Puentes wrote:


go to "link" go to "2000 Mexican Census" go to "Zacatecas" go to
"

Hacienda Pena Blanca

Ed, 
Glad to know that you liked those two links that I posted.

About "my secret methods" to search on the internet, well that's what 
they are: Secret.

Just kidding, Edward!!!

No big secret really.  I regularly use Google because I get the best 
results with it.  The key lies in the search expressions that you use.

It is what I would call the "shovel approach" versus the "tweezers 
approach".  In other words, using a single search expression or a 
couple of generic expressions will get you a scoop of information but 
not necessarily what you're looking for.  

What I try to do is to combine several selected words and/or phrases 
in my search expressions, sometimes even using exclusion filters, to 
narrow down the search results.  

In these particular case the reason you didn't find the same sites 
could've been that I used the letter "ñ" instead of the "n" in Peña.

And for other group members who are also interested in this and who 
haven't yet read Google's search tips, you

Monte de Duranes


go to "link" go to "2000 Mexican Census" go to "Zacatecas" go to
"Nochistlan" go to "Monte de Duranes."


so this place was in existence as of 2000

I wonder if Alicia Carrillo and Lorenzo Cuesta might be related somewhere?

joseph



Alicia's SLC Trip



Well sounds like it was a very rewarding trip. . .thats what you needed
was a spark to get the familia interested and involved in helping you
mine for more of that gold. And yes I know about the happy dance. . .my
heart does little backflips and the whole room in my Family History
Center kind of gets the point that I just found someone special from my
reaction. I actually cried*** when I found my GGG grandmothers death
certificate just like if she had died right then, it was a very moving
experience.



***well maybe I teared up a bit.



Now you'll have to slowly and at a more leisurely pace order some of
these films to your local FHC. Even put some of the better ones on
permanent. Use the SLC library for searching all the films that you
just have a hunch about or for books or a multitude of other materials
(i'm sure) that aren't available at your local FHC.



thanks for the play by play. . .glad you survived the joyful ordeal. I
think when I get old (oops to late) I want to move to

Hacienda Pena Blanca

Victor,

Thank you for your two emails. They are very interesting. One more question. How did you 
get this information. I "searched" all over the place and you seemed to find this without 
much difficulty. Please tell me your secret methods. Do you search via Mexico site? Search 
engine?

Ed

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Victor Villarreal"  wrote:
> 
> Ed, besides the link from my previous post, there's another one that 
> refers to a "ghost comunity" by the same name of Peña Blanca, near 
> Valparaiso.
> 
> http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2001/may01/010521/044n1con.html
> 
> Which one could it be?
> 
> Victor
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Serros"  wrote:
> > 
> > My grandmother was born on the hacienda Pena Blanca. Does anyone 
> have
> > any information on this hacienda and whether it exists in any form 
> at
> > present? Per birth records the hacienda had to be close to 
> Valparaiso,
> > Zacatecas. My guess is that it belonged to the

la Cristiada

Alicia and Victor,
A quick and heartfelt thanks for the information and references 
on "La Cristiada" and "los Cristeros".
Alicia, glad to hear you had a rewarding trip to SLC.
Y'all take care,

Natalie in Virginia




Alicia's SLC Trip



Joseph Puentes wrote:

So how was your trip to SLC. .

Joseph and Ranchos members. My trip was very rewarding but very exhausting. I arrived on Sunday afternoon and was promptly informed that all dining establishments were closed on Sunday with the exception of the mall which was about 4 city blocks away.  I proceeded to walk to the mall so I could get to know the area, find the mall and find the family history library that evening. I found the library that evening then walked back to my hotel room to rest up for Monday morning.

Monday morning in order to maximize my time at the library I had the continental breakfast at the hotel then proceeded to the library. The first part of the morning I sat through a brief introductory video that told me most of what I already knew so I passed on the second video and proceeded downstairs to B1 which is the international floor. To those of you who know this process this is old news, but to those who have yet to go and are planning to

Olague

Emilie,

 

Thesee Olague’s
came to the Texas in the 1920’s, then
the branch that I know came to Utah,
in the 1980’s.

 

Thanks,

Jonathan
Walker

 

Experienced
Hispanic and Mexican family history researcher: 
www.mexicanfhr.com color:black">  or jonathan@mexicanfhr.com

 

 


From: Emilie Garcia
[mailto:auntyemfaustus@...]

Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 7:07
PM

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Olague

 

Hello, Jonathan,

 

When did your Olagues go to Texas,
and where in Texas
did they settle?  When did they go to Utah?

 

Thanks,

 

   Emilie

   Port Orchard, WA.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: mexicanfhr

Sent: Thursday, March
17, 2005 3:42 PM

Subject: [ranchos] Re:
Olague

 



Hello,



I have been researching a line of the Olague
family, from Colotlan,


Jalisco.  That came to Texas,
and then to Utah.




thanks,

Jonathan



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Aguirre-Martines of Aguascalientes

face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>

Ok, now I know I'm related to your husband. Unfortunately, I don't have any
of the names you've provided. However, I do have plenty of "De Alba", "Martin",
"Martines" in my lineage.

 

You may email me directly at:


 

Fraternally,

Ken Alva (of the "de Alba" family)

Garcia-Cervantes of Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco

face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>

Dear Emilie,

 

I also have roots in "La Chona". I don't have any of the names you
mentioned, but I do have other "Cervantes". These are:

Ana de \Cervantes\ Villasenor y de Alba who died 05 Jun 1629 in Santa Maria
de los Lagos, Encarnacion, Jalisco, Mexico.

and Ana's father, Francisco de \Cervantes\ Villasenor.

 

I'm sure that our ancestry lines will cross somewhere, as I've found that
just about every family from the Los Altos area is related.

 

Su Primo, (problamente)

Ken

Hacienda Pena Blanca

Ed, besides the link from my previous post, there's another one that 
refers to a "ghost comunity" by the same name of Peña Blanca, near 
Valparaiso.

http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2001/may01/010521/044n1con.html

Which one could it be?

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Serros"  wrote:
> 
> My grandmother was born on the hacienda Pena Blanca. Does anyone 
have
> any information on this hacienda and whether it exists in any form 
at
> present? Per birth records the hacienda had to be close to 
Valparaiso,
> Zacatecas. My guess is that it belonged to the Felguerez family but 
I
> am not certain.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Ed




Hacienda Pena Blanca

Ed, 

My guess is that it does exist still but not under a single 
ownership.  I found references to it in this website:  

http://www.semarnat.gob.mx/zacatecas/recnat/reldicta.shtml

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Serros"  wrote:
> 
> My grandmother was born on the hacienda Pena Blanca. Does anyone 
have
> any information on this hacienda and whether it exists in any form 
at
> present? Per birth records the hacienda had to be close to 
Valparaiso,
> Zacatecas. My guess is that it belonged to the Felguerez family but 
I
> am not certain.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Ed




Hacienda Pena Blanca

it was in existence as of the year 2000. . .go to "links" go to "2000
Mexican Census" to to "Zacatecas" (wait awhile as it might take a minute
to download) then go to "Valparaiso" then go to "Pena Blanca."


[thanks Jonathan]

joseph

Edward Serros wrote:

My grandmother was born on the hacienda Pena Blanca. Does anyone have
any information on this hacienda and whether it exists in any form at
present? Per birth records the hacienda had to be close to Valparaiso,
Zacatecas. My guess is that it belonged to the Felguerez family but I
am not certain.

Thank you.

Ed






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