Definition/Photos of Racial Classifications

Hello,

I discovered an interesting site with an extensive list of 
definitions of racial classifications used by the Spanish.  In 
addition to the definitions, there are beautiful paintings of mixed 
race adults and children.  I'm not one to get emotional over 
paintings, but these really moved me, particularly after discovering 
the extent of my diversity.


http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:Vb4w2oDMqa8J:www.tarver-
genealogy.net/aids/spanish/sp_racial_terms.html+coyote+racial+classif
ications+photos&hl=en&start=1&ie=UTF-8

For those of you who have discovered mulato or coyote roots, don't 
miss this "Castas" exhibit:

http://www.tarver-genealogy.net/visual/exhibits/castas/ulthm1_1.html

And Joe, that was a clever little response to my introduction.  I'm 
going to propose that the members call you "Dr. Puentes" from now 
on. 

Alice


Alice Wissing: Introducing Myself



alice wissing wrote:

Hello Everybody,

My name is Alice Wissing and I'm introducing myself to the group.
Before I say anything else, I want to tell Steve Apodaca, another

newcomer, how fortunate he is to be in his early 20's and
researching his family.

I'll Amen that. I'm 50 and if I had started when I was 20 I could have
talked to my mother, father, grandmother, even some really old folks
that were alive at that time. ooooh, just thinking about all that oral
history that passed before I got interested. If I had one word of advice
it would be "ORAL HISTORY." (well I guess thats two). Remember these old
records we're finding have been sitting there waiting for us to come dig
them up but with every generation that passes the oral history passes
with them and it is unrecoverable. . .forever lost. the stories and
really important stuff about who we are is gone. Steve, Alice, all. .
.go for the oral history.


I wish I had started at such a young age,
as it has been an

Introducing Myself

Hello Everybody,

My name is Alice Wissing and I'm introducing myself to the group. 
Before I say anything else, I want to tell Steve Apodaca, another
newcomer, how fortunate he is to be in his early 20's and
researching his family.  I wish I had started at such a young age,
as it has been an empowering experience for me to discover the
specifics about my origins.  Until I started this research, I was
under the impression my father's family had just "sprouted" on the
Mexican side of town, but now, thanks to the Mormons, Mariano Leal
and members of this group, I'm finding out otherwise.

My father's family originated in San Juan de Los Lagos and
Jalostotitlan.  My maiden name is Campos and the surnames I'm
researching on my father's paternal side appear in both areas and
are as follows:  Campos (Martin Del Campo, Martin), Munos, Ramires,
Marquez, Padilla, Barba, and Lozano.

Through my
grandmother's side, I have an extensive tree that a
cousin prepared that dates back to the mid 1500's in a

Greetings and Introduction

I was invited to this group by Joseph Puentes. I think it is a great 
idea to create a group not only focused in genealogy but in a 
specific area.
My name is Steve Apodaca. As you can see in the family tree that I 
recently uploaded, I am in my early 20's. Until last year I was a 
college student, but dropped out because of lack of cash. Now I am 
working and saving money so that I go back to school. During my free 
time, I do my genealogy research. I started my research a couple 
years ago, but because of school and work and other 'duties' I 
haven't researched as much as I wished. I have not found ancestors 
in Zacatecas and Aguascalientes, yet. All of my ancestors come from 
the state of Jalisco. These are the towns and surnames that I am 
researching.

Amacueca: Aguilar
Atenguillo: Curiel, Pena, Diaz, Cazarez
Barranca del Espiritu Santo: Frias
El Crucero: Ramirez, Gamino, Ursua, Ornelas
Guadalajara: Tapia
San Marcos Evangelista: Cervantes
Santa Catarina: Apodaca, Bonal
Sayula

Coyote

Hello, it is true what you say about this classification upgrade 
because I found that in my own research. My ancestor Jose Domingo 
Apodaca was classified as a mestizo in his marriage certificate from 
1784. His wife was espanola. Of course, his son Antonio Apodaca 
would be mestizo too, right? But when I found the marriage record of 
the son, he was classified as espanol, the same as the mother. Was 
the indian blood lost from one generation to the next? I have read 
that these racial terms had no scientific basis, and they were used 
to describe the appearance of the individual, rather than his ethnic 
mixture. 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, alice wissing  
wrote:
> Folks,
>  
> I can't remember where I read this, but in some parts of Mexico 
the term Coyote simply meant a Mestizo, with the person not 
necessarily being part black.  It's probably safe to say that if a 
person is looking though records and seeing the terms coyote and 
mestizo used during the

New file uploaded to ranchos

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Coyote

Folks,
 
I can't remember where I read this, but in some parts of Mexico the term Coyote simply meant a Mestizo, with the person not necessarily being part black.  It's probably safe to say that if a person is looking though records and seeing the terms coyote and mestizo used during the same time period, the coyote was probably someone who appeared to be part black and Indian.  In researching ancestors from Durango, I found that people who were born mulato or coyote often got a classification upgrade when marrying an Espanol.         
 
Alice

Joseph Puentes wrote:



http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/rg/frameset_rg.asp?Dest=G1&Aid=&Gid=&Lid=&Sid=&Did=&Juris1=&Event=&Year=&Gloss=&Sub=&Tab=&Entry=&Guide=WLSpanis.ASP

[this is a might long link. if it doesn't work you might have to rebuild it in the URL window]

go to "Racial Ternminology"

============================================

or:

go to www.familysearch.org and

go to "Library"

go to "Education"

go to  "Family History Library

coyota(a)

For Spanish terms in New Mexico church records go to:
http://www.genealogybranches.com/valencia/wordlist.html

Mestizo - mixture of Spanish & Mexican Indian
Coyote - mixture of Indian & Mestizo (may also denote a mixture of 
Spanish & New Mexican Indian)

So in New Mexico a Coyota(e) could be a person with blood 
mixture of half Spanish and half mestiza.  A mestiza is half Spanish 
and half Indian.  So that would be 3/4 Spanish and 1/4 Indian.   As  
always  it depended on the Priest's judgment.

* * * * * *
In Mexico, 
>From an email to me from John Schmal:
"I want to also tell you that there is a great degree of imprecision 
with priests classifying people according to color, dress, language, 
social status, customs, or according to their own perceptions and 
biases.  Thus, one priests' coyote may be another priest's lobo or 
another priest's mestizo or another priests's mulato libre...in fact, in 
the book I recently co authored with Donna Morales we discussed 
this problem and

Coyote





http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/rg/frameset_rg.asp?Dest=G1&Aid=&Gid=&Lid=&Sid=&Did=&Juris1=&Event=&Year=&Gloss=&Sub=&Tab=&Entry=&Guide=WLSpanis.ASP



[this is a might long link. if it doesn't work you might have to
rebuild it in the URL window]



go to "Racial Ternminology"



============================================



or:



go to www.familysearch.org and



go to "Library"



go to "Education"



go to  "Family History Library Publications"  [another time go to
"Research Guidance" and do a search under "Mexico" For a wealth of info]



go to "Word Lists"



go to "Spanish Genealogical Word list"



go to "Racial Terminology"



and you'll see that "Coyote" means:



Coyote
Spanish (�), Indian (3/8), and Negro (1/8)



I was trying to find other references but wasn't able to find any. If
anyone has a cross reference to the meaning of Coyote that would be
great. I guess what I'm trying to say is that this is only one source
of information and it would be

Zacatecas, Zacatecas Films


In a message dated 3/12/2004 11:55:28 AM Central Standard Time, gmccrary@... writes:

The baptism
records for my family line have the children in one family labelled
as Indios, Mestizos and coyotes! 

What are coyotes?

Zacatecas, Zacatecas Films

I have found the same with the films from Etzatlan.  The baptism 
records for my family line have the children in one family labelled 
as Indios, Mestizos and coyotes!  The priest made the 
determination.  I suppose if the child was really dark than it was 
labelled as being Indio.   In Etazatlan the people were seldom 
labelled as Espanol in the bapt., death and marriage records.

I would expect the Zacatecas films to be similar.   These were 
mining places and had many Indians and mestizos.  But it was the 
priests who described the subjects in the documents.

Gloria

 Has anyone studied these Informacion Matrimonial Films 
  
don't recall seeing any totally Espanoles being married. So my  
question is that I'm wondering if these Informacion

Family History Centers: Was Zacatecas Films



go to www.familysearch.org



click on "Library"



then click on "Family History Centers"



the fill out the information for your location. Once you have found one
close to you GO there and pay them a visit. Show them the films you
want to order and order some for the time periods you think your
relatives might have been there. Note: these films in particular are
for the capital city of Zacatecas or Zacatecas, Zacatecas.



do a place search on www.familysearch.org and plug in Zacatecas. click
on the links and click on church records. then click on view films and
you will come up with a grand list like this for Zacatecas, Zacatecas:


Topic

Mexico, Zacatecas, Zacatecas - Church records

Titles

Registros parroquiales, 1605-1959 / Iglesia Católica. Sagrario
(Zacatecas, Zacatecas)


Registros parroquiales, 1853-1920 / 
Iglesia Católica. Nuestra
Señora de Guadalupe (Zacatecas, Zacatecas)


Registros parroquiales, 1859-1960 / 
Iglesia Católica. Nuestra
Señora de Guadalupe (Zacatecas

Zacatecas, Zacatecas Films

Joseph,

How do you order these films? And I was wondering if you could tell me if
you see anything on them films about my grandparents marriage. He was Martin
Sandoval and she was Guadalupe Maria Arellano. Guadalupe's mother my
greatgrandmothers name was Corredeo, don;t know if that is a first name or
last name?


They were probably married sometime in the end of the 1800s or very
beginning of 1900's but I am not sure I only know my Dad was born in 1928
and I believe second to the youngest of 16 kids but then I have recently
heard it was only 10 kids and now not sure. Anyways would apreciate if
anyone could tell me if their marriage is in them films. Also to whom do I
order these films from and how much are they?


Thank you,



              ~~glo~~







From: Joseph Puentes 
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Zacatecas, Zacatecas Films
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 00:49:57 -0500

Angel,

I know there is a gap in the

JoseArmijo/CatarinaDuran


http://hgrc-nm.org/herencia/herencia.htm#HERENCIA

I found this info on the Jose Armijo and Catarina Duran question:

Volume 6 Issue 2 April 1998:

1. Beyond "Origins of New Mexico Families," Jose Romo de Vera, by
Ernestino Tafoya, (page 1).

   2. Holguin and Montes Vigil, by John M. Garcia, (page 3).
   3. Hidalguia, by Jose Antonio Esquibel, (page 16).

4. Bueno Family Genealogy Revisited, by Jose Antonio Esquibel, (page
19).
5. 1715 Santa Fe Presidio Muster, by Ronaldo Miera and Francisco
Sisneros, (page 26).
6. Identity of Maria Martin, Wife of Salvador Garcia Noriega, by
Margaret Buxton, (page 30).

   7. A Direct Line to Pedro Martin Serrano, by Margaret Buxton, (page 32).

-------------------->8. A Line from Jose Armijo and Catalina Duran,
by Margaret Buxton, (page 36).


9. Juana Rita Baca & Juan Nepomuceno Montoya/Trujillo, by Margaret
Buxton, (page 40).
10. Escondida Cemetery, by Victoria Sanchez (additional information,
(page 46).

  11. Letters

Zacatecas, Zacatecas Films

Joseph,

Thanks for the info.  I have already seen these rolls,
but I never found anything concrete.  If something
else comes up for that time period, please keep me in
mind.

Saludos,
Angel

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Research Help

Angel,

Have you tried the  Great New Mexico
Pedigree Database, on the Hispanic Genealogical Research Center of New Mexico's
website.  Their website is
href="http://hgrc-nm.org/">http://hgrc-nm.org/

 

I hope that this helps.

 

Thanks,

Jonathan Walker


 

----- Original Message -----



Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 8:48
AM

Subject: Re: [ranchos] Research
Help


>
Hello,
>
> Has anyone ever found a marriage record for Esteban
de
> Perea and Francisca Garcia.  They would have married
> in
Juarez, Mexico in the 1670's or some other place in
> the
Chihuahua.
>
> Thank You,
> Angel R. Cervantes
>

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just in time. great thanks.



now I need for you to do this. open up family tree maker.



go to the oldest person in your genealogy



then once on that person go to the top menu item and look under "View"
and then click on "Genealogy Report"



then  once the genealogy report opens up go to Content and Format and
get the report looking just like you want it. Remember not to include
generations that are currently living for privacy sake.



then go to "File" and go down to "Export Genealogy Report as" and
select .rtf



save it someplace on your hardrive and then open an email to my
address: makas@...



and attach the file to it. Once I get it then I'll make up a folder for
you and add the .rtf report to that folder.



thanks,



Joseph



will tuxbud wrote:


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here is my family tree in family tree maker format


Research Help

Hello,

 

My name is Jonathan Walker, I have been a member
of the ranchos group, since April 2003.  I just wanted to introduce myself,
to the group. And to offer my help to anyone, in the group, in researching your
genealogies (especially, those who have not sent in, your genealogies).  I
live, in Logan, Utah.  About 90 miles north of Salt Lake City, so I have
access, to the Family History Library, in Salt Lake.  Also, here in the
Logan Family History Center, we have Film/Fiche scanner, that will scan images
to CD.  Also, I have about 15 years experience, in researching genealogy,
with roughly 13 years of that specializing, in Mexico, and about 4 years on
staff at the Logan FHC.

 

Anyone, who is interested in my help, please let
me know.  My e-mail is
href="mailto:jonwalker@...">jonwalker@...
or
href="mailto:walkerjona@...">walkerjona@...
.

 

Thank you,

Jonathan Walker

1140 North 230 West

Logan, Utah 84341


 

Sebastian Antonio Maldonado

Charlie Maldonado,

Que tal. You should consider joining the group.

well since I'm hovering around 1730 in my genealogy and that being in
the Zacatecas, Zacatecas area I'm not sure I can knowledgeably share
any insight about the Guadalajara area. But if this was my project I'd
contact Rodney
Anderson, the Director of the Guadalajara Project and try to pick his
brains for any sources of information on Military Muster Rolls. I would
think since he is a specialist in the history of Guadalajara he would
be able to at least point you in the right direction. {PLEASE: if you
do this and he does give you information be so kind as to share that
info with the group as it might benefit us all}



 
http://www.fsu.edu/~guadalaj/



joseph



ps: by the way I know this recommendation is for info that is 130 years
past the time period you seek but you might want to do an ILL on this
book as it just might give you some clue as to what info was available
in prior years [maybe not but you never know]:



I

Joseph de Armijo, Zacatecas, Zactecas, Mexico late 1600's

Yes, my family descends from Joseph de Armijo and Catalina 
Duran.  I have posted my family tree at Ranchos.  Or you can go 
directly to:
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=gemglo

 At this time no marriage date has been found.  But there are 
documents which refer to them at the following sites:

>From Beyond ONMF, Internet site hosted by José Antonio 
Esquibel, Vol. 5 and Vol. 8:

http://pages.prodigy.net/bluemountain1/beyondorigins.htm

Both have extensive information on the Armijo family from 
Zacatecas.

* * * * * *
Gloria