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My Nina is an ALTEÑA, and so are my Mamá, Abuelita, y Tías.

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In a message dated 12/29/2003 8:09:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, makas@nc.rr.com writes:

I just got off the phone and it turns out that my Nina who married my
Nino, Jose Refugio Puentes, is an Alteño. If anyone comes across any of
these names from San Miguel el Alto please let me know.

Actually the descriptive adjective or term for anything or anyone from Los Altos de Jalisco would be Alteño, if they were male/masculine, and Alteña, if they were female/feminine.  So Joseph, your Nina would be an Alteña, unless she found a way to switch gender.
 
And in response to the question, where is Los Altos and what's so special or different about it, here's a map to show what area we're talking about:
 
 
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Dear Group--

My husband and I spent 10 days in Jalisco in December.
 We went a few times to the city of Atotonilco el Alto
but spent most of the time with our cousins in the
nearby villages of Margaritas, Santa Elena, San
Joaquin, and Milpillas.  There is another place in
Jalisco called Atotonilco el Bajo so I always make
sure to say the complete name of the first city
mentioned.

My niece and I went two different days to view the
local cemeteries.  The first was the old cemetery in
Atotonilco el Alto.  A few years ago there was a flood
and it destroyed some of the plots.  Where before the
dates could go back hundreds of years, that is not the
case today.  Next trip I will check the new cemetery
of Atotonilco el Alto and see what I can find.

We also went to the cemetery near Margaritas which
among others, serves the people of Margaritas, San
Joaquin and Santa Elena.  It wasn't for me but I was
looking for the name of Borunda for a contact of mine.
 I found lots.  We went on a day of
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Teul Zacatecas

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Is anyone doing any research of Teul Zacatecas records?  I am 
specifically interested in Antonio Castro, son of José Guadalupe 
Castro and Cenobia Rivera.  Antonio would've been born in the early 
1900's or late 1890's.

Maria
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Batch #'s for San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco

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Bautismos

        Batch #         Year Range	 Film #
 	C603291   	1769 - 1794   	0279422  
 	K603292   	1794 - 1805   	0279423
 	J603292   	1794 - 1805   	0279423  
 	C603293   	1805 - 1821   	0279424 
 	C603294   	1821 - 1832   	0279425  
 	C603295   	1832 - 1838   	0279426  
 	C603296   	1838 - 1855   	0279427  
 	C603297   	1855 - 1862   	0279428  
 	J603298   	1862 - 1870   	0279429  
 	K603298   	1862 - 1870   	0279429 
 	C603299   	1870 - 1875   	0279430  

 	C603301   	1845 - 1875   	0279449 [hijos naturales]

Matrimonios

        Batch #         Year Range	 Film #
 	M603302   	1788 - 1798   	0279452
	[gap]
	M603302  	1832 - 1852  	0279452  
 	M603303   	1852 - 1870   	0279453  
 	M603304   	1870 - 1885   	0279454

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My Nina is an Alteño

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I just got off the phone and it turns out that my Nina who married my
Nino, Jose Refugio Puentes, is an Alteño. If anyone comes across any of
these names from San Miguel el Alto please let me know.

Estanislao Marquez (dob: 1857) married Teodora Jimenez and had a Mateo
Marquez who later married a Juana Peragon who was born in Spain.


Yes I realize this is not much to go on but if it rings a bell let me know.

Joseph

ps: she mentioned misc. stuff like another cousin of mine who is from
San Juan de los Lagos was a De Anda.

pps: Is San Miguel el Alto the only Pueblo/Rancho in Los Altos area that
has "el Alto" in its name? My Nina said, "my grandparents were from 'el
Alto' and it seems that i remember 'San Miguel el Alto' " but then she
was talking about San Juan de los Lagos so I didn't get a 100%
confirmation on San Miguel el Alto only a "pretty sure." She did go on
to say that when her grandmother died that her grandfather went to San
Juan de los Lagos and 6 months

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Los Altos De Jalisco: Message Search

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do a message search on the name Steven Hernandez. One of his early
messages explained this geographical area of Jalisco well.



happy new year.



joseph



nvmesparz wrote:

what is Los Altos de Jalisco about?



ranchos@yahoogroups.com wrote:

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are 5 messages in this issue.



Topics in this digest:



1. New File downloaded on 11-30-03

From: "Maria Elena Gutierrez-Uhlenburg"

2. Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia

From: "Maria Elena Gutierrez-Uhlenburg"

3. RE: Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia

From: "Ortiz, Deborah"

4. Re: Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia

From: "Maria/Mark Uhlenburg"

5. RE: Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia

From: "Ortiz, Deborah"





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Message: 1

Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:39:32 -0000

From: "Maria Elena Gutierrez-Uhlenburg"

Subject: New File d! ownloaded on 11-30-03



Please see the new file
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what is Los Altos de Jalisco about?

ranchos@yahoogroups.com wrote:

There are 5 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. New File downloaded on 11-30-03
From: "Maria Elena Gutierrez-Uhlenburg"
2. Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia
From: "Maria Elena Gutierrez-Uhlenburg"
3. RE: Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia
From: "Ortiz, Deborah"
4. Re: Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia
From: "Maria/Mark Uhlenburg"
5. RE: Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia
From: "Ortiz, Deborah"


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:39:32 -0000
From: "Maria Elena Gutierrez-Uhlenburg"
Subject: New File downloaded
on 11-30-03

Please see the new file Steven has sent me dated 11-30-03.

Working together is definately the key to unlocking more knowledge.
As, some of us have more years of knowledge regarding "Genealogy
Research" it is great to share our resources.

Steven, has been

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  Description : Soledad Soto's ancestors from Los Altos de Jalisco 

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Familia Garnica de Arandas, Jalisco

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Merry Christmas everyone,
 
I had sent Joseph the cover and table of contents of Mariano González Leal's book "Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia" a long while back.  The scanned cover and info should be in a special section of the Ranchos newsgroup webpage.
 
Also, in regard to a message someone posted yesterday about the Garnica surname of Arandas, Jalisco, anyone out there who also has the same branch should be quite happy to know that I also have that same line.  As I have mentioned on more than one occasion, I have done more Arandas (and Ayo el Chico) research than any other town in Los Altos put together.  My Garnica line can be seen in the 4th pedigree chart I submitted of my ancestry. 
 
Since I discovered my Garnica connection when reached this point of my research several years back, I have been investigating them tenaciously.  Many years ago I discovered the marriage of don Nicolás Antonio de Castro y Garnica with María Antonia Rizo, dated 29 February 1756, in the
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Arandas Batch Numbers

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Arandas Batch Numbers:

Matrimonios:

    Batch #            Year Range         Film #

M604434 1870 - 1885 0279678
 M604433 1852 - 1870 0279677
 M604432 1832 - 1852 0279676
 M604431 1812 - 1832 0279675
 M604429 1802 - 1812 0279674

Bautismos:

      Batch #            Year Range         Film #
    C604427       1867 - 1873       0279541

C604426 1862 - 1867 0279540
 [gap]

    C604423       1846 - 1853       0279537
   [gap]

C602959 1828 - 1833 0279534
 C602958 1824 - 1828 0279533
 [gap]
 K602955 1803 - 1818 0279530
 J602955 1803 - 1818 0279530
 C602954 1802 - 1813 0279529
 C602953 1789 - 1806 0279528
 C602952 1785 - 1800 0297527
 C602951 1768 - 1785 0279526

Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia

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Hola Ranchos-

Feliz navidad a todos and  prospero ano nuevo. My name is Ms. Clinton Nash and I live in Davis, California and I am grateful to be on this list.  I am begining research on my children's father's side,  Jose Luis GARNICA de Ajijic. His father, Jose Luis GARNICA was born in Arandas and had green eyes.  I will be posting the little I have soon.



Celebration of La Navidad:

 I once lived in Ajijic, a small puebla on the shores of Lago Chapala.  In the days before Christmas, panoramas appeared in doorways. I was overawed at the complexity and beauty of the elaborately constructed panoramas of miniature people, animalitos, trees, houses la gente walking toward the Baby Jesus in the manger. These displays, often as large as a sheet of plywood, 4' x 8' , were such an exquisite reflection of true faith and belief. The effort and devotion was immense. I will never forget them.



The fireworks during those twelve days before Christmas were wonderful. Attached to poles in the plaza

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Was: Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia/WorldCat

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Yes this is great you have your own copy of a hard to find book
[WorldCat showed it is available at only 6 libraries] available to you
close by. But for other books that you might want to consider doing an
ILL for I would look at WorldCat. Check with your local library and see
if they subscribe to WorldCat and if you can access it at home or maybe
you can access it only at the branch or a University library. . .in
fact maybe taking Adult continuing education or being a friend of the
library will allow you to access WorldCat from home. Your local large
University library might surprise you as to how much information they
have on Jalisco. I live close to Duke and they have soooo much that it
will take me many years to be comfortable that I've accessed all the
info that might be valuable to my research.



WorldCat is a Library Catalog of Libraries all over the world. When you
access it and plug in keywords like "Los Altos de Jalisco" you get
results like this:



         All

 83      
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Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia

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Deborah,
I did not know you joined the Ranchos Group. 
Yes, we did not get a chance to talk and I will definately give you any
information that I come across.  It will have to be after the
holidays.  I have just started entering it into a genealogy program but can
give you copies of what Steven and I have uncovered. 
 
I will also try to get over to see your
dad.   How is he doing? 
 
Have a Merry Christmas!  Have to go to sleep
because my daughters will wake me up very early. 
 
Genealogy is very addicting.
 
Tu Prima,
Nena
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Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 10:55
PM
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Retonos de Espana
En Nueva Galicia

        Nena -- your prima Deborah
Ortiz here.  We didn't get a chance to chat much but I do have a copy of
"Retonos de
       
Espana en la Nueva Galicia por Mariano
Gonzalez-Leal.  Tomo1 -- Los Altos de Jalisco.  I believe there are
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Retonos de Espana En Nueva Galicia

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        Nena -- your prima Deborah
Ortiz here.  We didn't get a chance to chat much but I do have a copy of
"Retonos de
       
Espana en la Nueva Galicia por Mariano
Gonzalez-Leal.  Tomo1 -- Los Altos de Jalisco.  I believe there are 4
or 5
        books in the series covering
different time periods.  You should feel free to use mine -- all in
Spanish! When we
       
finally coordinate schedules we'll be able
to connect the dots and families..
 
       
Deborah Ortiz
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From: Maria Elena
Gutierrez-Uhlenburg [mailto:uhlenburg@...]
Sent: Sunday,
December 21, 2003 10:49 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Retonos de Espana En
Nueva Galicia

This request is directed for Maria
Cortez or anyone having any
knowledge of the book listed above in the
Subject line.  I would
really like purchase this book.  I am
very interested in the history
of Los Altos de
Jalisco.

Thanks,
Nena



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This request is directed for Maria Cortez or anyone having any 
knowledge of the book listed above in the Subject line.  I would 
really like purchase this book.  I am very interested in the history 
of Los Altos de Jalisco.

Thanks,
Nena

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Please see the new file Steven has sent me dated 11-30-03.

Working together is definately the key to unlocking more knowledge.  
As, some of us have more years of knowledge regarding "Genealogy 
Research" it is great to share our resources.

Steven, has been very helpful with his knowledge and connections.  I 
hope to someday become very knowledgeable in this field.  I am a 
novice but learning more every day.  

I also want to thank Irma Gomez-Lucero for her wealth of knowledge on 
genealogy in Jalisco.

After Christmas and New Years pass I will try to work more on my 
genealogy.  I will also refer family members to this website.  So 
some day we can complete most of this very interesting puzzle of our 
ancestors.

Gracias and Adios,
Nena
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Tayagua, Zacatecas/How do you Celebrate?

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From what I know is that most every home built their own manger some which were very elaborate.
 
Posadas were and are still a major part of the Christimas celebration. The children and their families travel with Jose and Maria seeking lodging during Advent. At the last home of the evening they serve beverages made from sugar cane and fresh fruits steeped in sweetened water. Each family makes their beverage slightly different. They then have a Pinata for the children and they are filled with candies called colaciones and other assorted candies.
 
Gifts were not a part of Christmas in the early days. Children would set their shoes out on Christmas Eve and wait for El Nino Dios to fill their shoes with hard candies. And of course being mostly Catholic there was midnight mass with a procession and mass again on Christmas Day.
 
I'll talk to my mom to get more facts.
 
Feliz Navidad a todos,
 
Alicia Carrillo

Joseph Puentes wrote:


for those of you looking in the Villanueva area

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for those of you looking in the Villanueva area. I was looking at film:
1158678 the
other day and found about 8 years worth of death records [1767-1775
about] for the hacienda de Tayagua on this mostly bautismos film. I've
seen that some are looking in Tayahua but am unsure if this is the same
place. Just FYI.



joseph



ps: Someone asked me how "we" celebrate christmas. And for the life of
me all I could think about was Tamales and later on New Years Menudo. A
meal and exchange of presents.



Does anyone know of how the people of Jalisco, Zacatecas and
Aguascalientes celebrated Christmas in earlier years?

Sain Alto

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--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, dora gomez  wrote:

 My parents are originally from Sain Alto, Zacatecas and my husband,
Alejandro Escobedo, from Magdalena, Jalisco.

Dora. . .Welcome to the group. Have a good look around the "files"
area for the genealogies of the other members. I might be wrong but I
was pretty sure someone else is looking in the Sain Alto area. 

Saw this interesting census from Magdalena. Were any of your people in
that area during this time period? If so this might be a good one to
order. . .then again maybe you already have it:

Title
Censo, 1856-1885

Authors
Magdalena (Jalisco). Registro Civil (Main Author)

Notes
Microfilme de manuscritos en el Archivo del Registro Civil del Estado
de Jalisco.
Census records, municipality of Magdalena, Jalisco, Mexico.

Subjects
Mexico, Jalisco, Magdalena - Census

Format
Manuscript (On Film)

Language
Spanish

Publication
Salt Lake City : Filmado por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah, 1986

Physical
en 1 rollo
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Hello Ranchos!

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Hello Ranchos,
 
Thank you for letting me join this great group.  I'm sorry for contacting you at this time.  Joseph allowed me to be part of this group in the beginning of the month but I have been very busy with Final Exams all last week and then my husband and I took a well deserved vacation to the Great Smokey Mountains to see some snow.  Joseph we were up in North Carolina (Asheville to be exact).  Well enough about that, here is my information:
 
My name is Dora Gómez and I live in Florida.  My parents are originally from Sain Alto, Zacatecas and my husband, Alejandro Escobedo, from Magdalena, Jalisco. Currently working on my side of the family but any information from my husband's is welcome also.
 
My father:                     Jesus Gómez Alanis (Emiliano Zapata, Sain Alto, Zacatecas)
**Note Emiliano Zapata was formerly known as San Jose de los Trojes***
 
Paternal grandparents:   Eduardo Gómez Villa (1899-1967) and Jovita Alanis Gómez (1913-1993)
 
Eduardo's parents:    
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Do you own Film 1164016 [Totatiche]?

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Does anyone own this film? If you do would you mind doing a look up for
me?:


Title

Registros parroquiales, 1726-1979

Authors

Iglesia Católica. Nuestra Señora del Rosario (Totatiche, Jalisco)
(Main Author)

Notes

Microfilme de manuscritos en el archivo de la parroquia.

Incluyen índices.

Parish
registers of baptisms, confirmations, marriages, marriage petitions,
deaths, and other church records from Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico.

Include indexes.

Subjects

Mexico, Jalisco, Totatiche - Church records

Format

Manuscript (On Film)

Language

Spanish

Publication

Salt Lake City : Filmados por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah, 1980

Physical

en 47 carretes de microfilme ; 35 mm.

Film Notes

Note - Location [Film]

Bautismos 1779-1798 - 
VAULT INTL Film [ 1164016 ]



thanks,



joseph



ps: Thanks Steven for that info you provided several months ago on
my Abuelo Juan Climaco Marquez. I'm finally getting to some of it.



JUAN CLIMACO MARQUEZ ESCOBEDO     

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