My name is Charles Flores and I am a new member. I am eager to expand my
research here. My focus area is Juchipila, and Nochistlan, Zac. The surnames
are Flores, Rincon, Banuelos, Godina, Ascencio, Ruiz, Figueroa, and Quezada.
Thanks for allowing me to work within this group.
Lo Mejor,
Charles Flores
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Charles' Intro
Hey Charles,
I just noticed that you are researching Godina. So am I. But my family is from Colotlan, Jalisco. What information do you have on the surname? I have my files posted in the files section. Take a look and let me know if you see anything familar.
- Angie Godina
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Hi Ana....
I am a Luna from my mothers side (Tlaltenango). Take a look at my rather
simple direct lineage that I have posted on nuestros ranchos. I have been
rather stuck on the Luna lineage.
I have finally downloaded PAF file, and all the names...just don't know how
to get up on this site.
Esperanza Villarreal Luna
Chicagoland area
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Hello to all
Welcom Charles Flores,
I am happy to see new members into this group. We have been quiet for a bit.....probably everyone is busy with life and living. My area of research also includes Nochistlan and extends into Jalpa and Rincon de Romos Aguascalientes.
Are you new to genealogy or just new to the group? Have you had a chance to peruse the member files, if not that's a great place to start. You might also want to check out the features of this site such as the films section, the resources, maps, links, photos etc.
Look forward to hearing from you regarding your research and your ancestors.
Alicia de San Jose, Calif
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hello to all
My name is Charles Flores and I am a new member. I am eager to expand my
research here. My focus area is Juchipila, and Nochistlan, Zac. The surnames
are Flores, Rincon, Banuelos, Godina, Ascencio, Ruiz, Figueroa, and Quezada.
Thanks for allowing me to work within this group.
Lo Mejor,
Charles Flores
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Hello to all
Thank you, Alicia. I am sort of new to genealogy. I have done a lot of
snooping around on the internet with google searches and such. I plan on taking
a trip to UCBerkeley in three weeks. They purchased Mexico's documents from
the Mexican Inquisition. There are over sixty different docs. There is one
on the Flores de la Torre family's genealogy from the the town of Juchipila.
It was requested by two Flores de la Torre family members. I wonder if
there was something bad that came of it Because I have discovered the Flores
family descended from conversos from Sevilla ( sometime around siglo XIV or
siglo XV).
It was considered an incredible acquisition for the Bancroft Library. I
cant wait to learn more.
thanks again,
Charles Flores
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Hello to all
Charles,
There is a SIG group within NuestrosRanchos that went to UCBerkeley and
had a visit of their archives. Maybe some of them can give you some
ideas on what else you might find there. But regardless of that please
do take notes and if you wouldn't mind giving us a report on what you
find and how other can possibly access some of the material well that
would be great of you.
thanks,
joseph
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User176613@aol.com wrote:
> Thank you, Alicia. I am sort of new to genealogy. I have done a lot of
> snooping around on the internet with google searches and such. I plan on taking
> a trip to UCBerkeley in three weeks. They purchased Mexico's documents from
> the Mexican Inquisition. There are over sixty different docs. There is one
> on the Flores de la Torre family's genealogy from the the town of Juchipila.
> It was requested by two Flores de la Torre family members. I wonder if
> there was something bad that came of it Because I have discovered the Flores
> family descended from conversos from Sevilla ( sometime around siglo XIV or
> siglo XV).
> It was considered an incredible acquisition for the Bancroft Library. I
> cant wait to learn more.
> thanks again,
> Charles Flores
>
>
>
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Hello to all
Thanks, I would love a little help. I have never been to this campus
library. I will, in turn, take notes to report about these volumes.
Charles Flores
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Hello to all
Hello Charles,
As you probably know, Hernán Flores de la Torre, encomendero de Juchipila,
married Juana de Aguilar y Salado, the daughter of Gaspar de Aguilar and
Bernarda Salado. Juana de Aguilar y Salado was born in Aguascalientes,
where her parents lived and died. An interesting twist is that Bernarda
Salado, Juana's mother, was at one time accused of being a witch by "el
Santo Oficio de la Inquisición."
I would be interested in whatever information you can find at the Bancroft
Library related to this family. Let me know if you wish to exchange some
genealogical information.
Regards,
Bill Figueroa
Dallas, Texas USA
Hello to all
Bill,
I do have him. I have him as married Oct 4, 1654. His Father was Hernan
Flores de la Torre y Figueroa. Is this part of your Figueroa line?
Yes, of course, let's exchange info.
BTW my family has Figueroa in it. I just cant remember how my father told
me. He is gone now but he distinctively talked about them as cousins or
distant cousins. They may have came to the US in the 1920's. Our family was based
in Oxnard, Ca...These relatives may have been in Santa Paula, Ca.
Charles Flores
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Hello to all
Funny, I'm in Oxnard, too. :-)
Hello to all
Hi Charles and Anna,
I am not related to Hernán Flores de la Torre y Figueroa. My Figueroa line originates from Spanish settlers who arrived in the capital city of Santiago de los Caballeros de Guatemala (today Antigua Guatemala) during colonial times, before the devastating earthquake of 1773. The capital was at that time moved to its present location.
My connection with Aguascalientes, Zacatecas and Altos de Jalisco is through my maternal family lines. My great-grandmother Josefa Frías Ruiz-de-Esparza, born in Rincón de Romos in 1848, was a direct descendant of Lope Ruiz de Esparza and other early settlers of Aguascalientes.
Lope, a native of Pamplona, arrived in Mexico City in 1593. He was a 26 years old native of Pamplona, Navarra. Shortly after his arrival in Mexico he married Francisca Gabai de Moctezuma, a daughter of Martín Navarro and Petronila de Moctezuma. Lope and Francisca settled in the village of Aguascalientes, then a small hamlet with very few people. They raised cattle at their Hacienda de Morcenique. When they settled in Aguascalientes the Chichimeca wars were coming to an end, although there were sporadic indian attacks along the roads and in isolated farms and villages. Aguascalientes was established on 22 October 1575 by twelve original settlers, so twenty years later when Lope and Francisca arrived there the village had not grown very much.
Lope's wife had a sister María Gabai de Moctezuma, who married Pedro Fernández de Vaulus. They also settled in Aguascalientes where they owned the "Hacienda del Agostadero". Your ancestors Pedro and María had six children: Juan, María, Petrona, Juana, Martín y Antonio Fernandez de Vaulus y Siordia.
One of those children, Juana Fernández de Vaulus married Bernardo Salado, the son of Joanes Salado, Escribano de la Real Audiencia de Guadalajara. They had one daughter named Bernarda Salado, who married Gaspar de Aguilar, a native of Lepanto, Reynos de Castilla (Spain). On October 4, 1654 their daughter Juana de Aguilar y Salado married Hernán Flores de la Torre in Aguascalientes.
Going back to my side of the family, Lope Ruiz de Esparza and Francisca Gabai had eleven children: Salvador, Anna Thomasina, Martín, Lorenza, Jacinto, Bernardo, Pedro, María, Christobal, Bernabé and Lorenzo. Bernardo Ruiz de Esparza married Catalina Lozano de Frías. They are my 7G grandparents.
The Ruiz de Esparza and Fernández de Vaulus families were very close, so much so that when Bernardo Ruiz de Esparza was born, he was given the alias Bernardo Salado. This has been a confusing fact to many people, considering that he was NOT a blood relative of the "real" Bernardo Salado, but a first cousin of his wife Juana Fernández de Vaulus.
So, I decided to do some research this to out why. The conclusion I reached is that Bernardo Salado was a beloved member of the family who died when Bernardo Ruiz de Esparza was a young boy, probably 10 years old. His first cousin Juana Fernández de Vaulus was about 18 years older than Bernardo Ruiz de Esparza.
Attached is the information I have on your ancestors Hernán Flores de la Torre y Figueroa and Anna Alvarez de Sandi. I have not done any additional research on their descendants, but would like to add them to my family tree. I would also like to find out why Bernarda Salado, the daughter of Bernardo Salado and Juana Fernández de Vaulus, was accused by the Inquisition of being a witch. This is probably in one of the documents acquired by the Bancroft Library.
Saludos,
Bill Figueroa
Hello to all
Hi Bill,
Thank you so much or all this wonderfull information.
Anna Arellano Luna
Bill Figueroa wrote:
Hi Charles and Anna,
I am not related to Hernán Flores de la Torre y Figueroa. My Figueroa line originates from Spanish settlers who arrived in the capital city of Santiago de los Caballeros de Guatemala (today Antigua Guatemala) during colonial times, before the devastating earthquake of 1773. The capital was at that time moved to its present location.
My connection with Aguascalientes, Zacatecas and Altos de Jalisco is through my maternal family lines. My great-grandmother Josefa Frías Ruiz-de-Esparza, born in Rincón de Romos in 1848, was a direct descendant of Lope Ruiz de Esparza and other early settlers of Aguascalientes.
Lope, a native of Pamplona, arrived in Mexico City in 1593. He was a 26 years old native of Pamplona, Navarra. Shortly after his arrival in Mexico he married Francisca Gabai de Moctezuma, a daughter of Martín Navarro and Petronila de Moctezuma. Lope and Francisca settled in the village of Aguascalientes, then a small hamlet with very few people. They raised cattle at their Hacienda de Morcenique. When they settled in Aguascalientes the Chichimeca wars were coming to an end, although there were sporadic indian attacks along the roads and in isolated farms and villages. Aguascalientes was established on 22 October 1575 by twelve original settlers, so twenty years later when Lope and Francisca arrived there the village had not grown very much.
Lope's wife had a sister María Gabai de Moctezuma, who married Pedro Fernández de Vaulus. They also settled in Aguascalientes where they owned the "Hacienda del Agostadero". Your ancestors Pedro and María had six children: Juan, María, Petrona, Juana, Martín y Antonio Fernandez de Vaulus y Siordia.
One of those children, Juana Fernández de Vaulus married Bernardo Salado, the son of Joanes Salado, Escribano de la Real Audiencia de Guadalajara. They had one daughter named Bernarda Salado, who married Gaspar de Aguilar, a native of Lepanto, Reynos de Castilla (Spain). On October 4, 1654 their daughter Juana de Aguilar y Salado married Hernán Flores de la Torre in Aguascalientes.
Going back to my side of the family, Lope Ruiz de Esparza and Francisca Gabai had eleven children: Salvador, Anna Thomasina, Martín, Lorenza, Jacinto, Bernardo, Pedro, María, Christobal, Bernabé and Lorenzo. Bernardo Ruiz de Esparza married Catalina Lozano de Frías. They are my 7G grandparents.
The Ruiz de Esparza and Fernández de Vaulus families were very close, so much so that when Bernardo Ruiz de Esparza was born, he was given the alias Bernardo Salado. This has been a confusing fact to many people, considering that he was NOT a blood relative of the "real" Bernardo Salado, but a first cousin of his wife Juana Fernández de Vaulus.
So, I decided to do some research this to out why. The conclusion I reached is that Bernardo Salado was a beloved member of the family who died when Bernardo Ruiz de Esparza was a young boy, probably 10 years old. His first cousin Juana Fernández de Vaulus was about 18 years older than Bernardo Ruiz de Esparza.
Attached is the information I have on your ancestors Hernán Flores de la Torre y Figueroa and Anna Alvarez de Sandi. I have not done any additional research on their descendants, but would like to add them to my family tree. I would also like to find out why Bernarda Salado, the daughter of Bernardo Salado and Juana Fernández de Vaulus, was accused by the Inquisition of being a witch. This is probably in one of the documents acquired by the Bancroft Library.
Saludos,
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Hello to all
I sounds like Lope, Francisca, Maria, and Pedro started something very big.
Thank you, Bill. I have included all these names into my computer. That is
great that you have discovered your line all the way back to Lope.
Muchos Gracias,
Charles Flores
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Hello All, first I'd like to thank Joseph for allowing me to join the site. My name is Robert Gonzalez, my area of research is Los Altos de Jalisco, specifically, Tepatitlan and "La Villa" San Jose De Basarte. My father and grandfather were born in La Villa \ SJB. My Great Grandfather, Gregorio Gonzalez is buried beneath the alter of the small church\ capilla there. I also have records of my great,great grandfather and some other family members but have hit a wall. Ultimatley I'd like to take my research all the way back to Spain to find out where my family line started. Names I'd like to research are Gonzalez, Casillas and Alonso. It seems that for at least two generations, the Gonzalez line married into the Casillas line. Any info on San Jose de Basarte would be greatly appreciated, I do have some minor info in regards to the history of La Villa but not enough to satisfy my curiosity. Thank you all, I look forward to sharing info with all of you, Robert Gonzalez ~
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Hola Robert, me da gusto que estés en este grupo de genealogía. Yo también soy de Tepatitlán al igual que tus ancestros, y conozco La Villa de San José de Bazarte, uno de los primeros poblados españoles de Tepatitlán, en el que se asentaron varias familias como los Ornelas, Gómez de Espejo, Aceves, Gutiérrez Galindo, de la Mora Hurtado de Mendoza, Becerra, etc.
Que otros apellidos buscas en Tepatitlán además del González?
Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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Hello to all
Hello Charles and Bill,
I also am a direct descendant of this couple, my ancestor Ana Flores De la Torre was their daughter, she married Thomas De Luna from Tlaltenango, Zacatecas, will like to exchange info with you, my other lines are Lamas, Cortes, Arellano, Sandoval, Marin, Ulloa, Castaneda, etc.
Saludos,
Anna Arellano Luna
Bill Figueroa wrote:
Hello Charles,
As you probably know, Hernán Flores de la Torre, encomendero de Juchipila,
married Juana de Aguilar y Salado, the daughter of Gaspar de Aguilar and
Bernarda Salado. Juana de Aguilar y Salado was born in Aguascalientes,
where her parents lived and died. An interesting twist is that Bernarda
Salado, Juana's mother, was at one time accused of being a witch by "el
Santo Oficio de la Inquisición."
I would be interested in whatever information you can find at the Bancroft
Library related to this family. Let me know if you wish to exchange some
genealogical information.
Regards,
Bill Figueroa
Dallas, Texas USA
Families from Tlaltenango
Hello Anna,
I just noticed your post. I am researching some of the same surnames as you from Tlaltenango. I researching Luna, Llamas/Lamas, Ulloa, Castaneda, and Miramontes plus many others. Take a look at my files if you are interested.
Good Luck on your search,
Angie Godina