Esperanza:

I think we had discussed our shared lineage through the Bugarin line. Pedro Bugarin is also my direct ancestor through my maternal grandfather. I had a few of his children in my database but I was not aware that he was so prolific until I saw this census record. I will put the remainder of his children in my database as well as the scan of this part of the census.

http://www.ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I1427

Gus:

If you are descended from Pedro Bugarin and Maria Josepha Gonzalez, that would make us cousins. You would also be cousin with a few other people in the group descended from the same couple.

As for the cuates not appearing on the census, I imagine that perhaps small children were not listed. It is a shame, because the reason why I took on the project was to try to locate Joseph Ramon Aranzazu, my direct paternal ancestor born around 1750 supposedly in Tlaltenango, but he does not appear in the census either.

Gus & Arturo, Hello Distant Cousins, we certainly have common ancestors.
Gus, when I was in Tlaltenango, about two years ago, a cousin in town recommended that I visit with his friend, Professor Amador Rodriguez Sandoval, which I did. Professor Rodriguez was so delighted that we were there to see him, and happy to share some of his vast knowledge.

We were all spellbound by this extraordinary person, he did not want us to leave, but he was frail, and we did not want him to overextend himself. As I got up to leave, Professor Rodriguez held my hand, and had me promise that I would send him a hearing aid.

Shortly thereafter, Arturo so generously took the hearing device for me on his trip to Tlaltenango. Sadly, Professor Rodriguez had passed on between our trips.

Gus, hopefully, you will post the photo of Jose Teodoro. What is the Bugarin connection to Professor Rodriguez ?

I also noticed, that not all of Pedro Bugarin's children, born prior to 1754 were not listed in the census.

Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Helyn

gusmeza wrote:

Gus Meza

Arturo

Thanks for the extracted information of the 1754 Census. Pedro Bugarin and Maria Josepha Gonsales are my fifth great-grandparents. I recently found that they had "cuates" or fraternal twins Joseph Dionisio and Francisco Dionisio both born in Las Ranas 8 Apr 1747 but baptized in Tepechitlan on 23 Apr 1747. I am related to Joseph Dionisio who married Maria Gavriela de Luna whose daughter Maria Antonia Marcial de Luna (born 30 Jun 1789 in Las Ranas) married Jose Luis Lufano Sandoval on 07 Jan 1804 in Atolinga. They had at least eight children one of them being Jose Teodoro Bugarin Sandoval (born in Las Ranas 03 Oct 1820) who married Juliana Miramontes Flores (from Rancho las Ranas) on 18 Sep 1844 in Atolinga. I actually have an old picture of Jose Teodoro given to me by my late cousin, Amador Rodriguez Sandoval who died last year and was a well known history buff in Tlaltenango.

What I can't figure out is why neither Joseph Dionisio or Francisco Dionisio appear on this census? Do you have any ideas?

Thanks again,

Gus Meza

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