Thanks for the information primo. My line comes through Francisca Gabay Navarro y Moctezuma. I will have to wrte more later. I am supposed to be shutting down so my computer can go in the rv. We are leaving on a trip to Washington state. We will be there for Thanksgiving and then on to California to spend Christmas with a son and family. We won't be back home until January sometime, when the weather should be good and cold. Here I am busy with genealogy, my favorite thing to do. We take our computers with us and we get on the internet whenever possible. I should be able to still work on indexing and keep track of things.

I am doing fine, thankyou. I will feel a little more rested once we are on the road and I quit working.

Will get back to you soon so we can learn more about our ancesctors.

Have a great day.

Kelly

----- Original Message ----
From: Ronald Reynoso
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org; chavz2000@aol.com; ron.chavez@verizon.net; jcenteno@cox.net; rogelioloza1956@yahoo.com.mx
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:36:54 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petrolona de Moctezuma Line

Hola Kelly ,how are you ? Well I hope.
This is just one over a dozen lines of my connection to Petrolina de
Moctezuma and Martin Navarro:
Daughter :Francisca de Gabay Navarro de Moctezuma married Lope Ruiz de
Esparza
Son: Cristobal Ruiz de Esparza -Had an affair-name of woman not mentioned
Illegitimate Daughter=Antonia Ruiz de Esparza married Jacinto Centeno
Son :Jose Matias Centeno married Margarita Munoz Romo
Son:Jose Felix Centeno married Maria Antonia Moreno
Son:Jose Ramon Centeno married Maria Concepcion Ramirez
Son:Joseph Antonio Abad Centeno married Maria Guadalupe Alderete
Daughter:Sesaria de Jesus married Jose Anastacio Padilla
Son: Cruz Padilla married Juanita Perez
Daughter ; Jesus Padilla married Manuel Reynoso
Son :Baudelio Reynoso married Betty Hermosillo
Me :Ronald(Ronnie) Reynoso married Cristina Rodriguez

You seem to have a lot of the surnames that I have. I would like to know more about your Renteria line and where they lived.

Kelly

.----- Original Message ----
From: Hector Felix
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:17:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petrolona de Moctezuma Line

Hi Ronnie,

You're right about the surname Carrasquilla. It might have belonged to his
maternal grandmother, whom we don't know.

I have all the usual Los Altos ancestors: Romo de Vivar, Ruiz de Esparza,
Lopez de Elizalde, Gonzalez de Hermosillo, Munoz de Nava, Pedroza, Luna,
Martin del Campo, Vazquez Zermeno, Loza, Diaz de Leon, Hurtado de Mendoza,
Lozano, Anda Altamirano, Moreno de Ortega, etc. most of whom are already
very well known to all the group.

Plus many more from the Zacatecas region: Felix de Arellano, Sanchez
Castellanos, Carlos de Godoy, de la Torre Valdes, Llanos y Valdes, Carrillo
de Avila, Rodarte, Correa Troncoso Sotomayor, Sotomayor, Garcia de la
Cadena, Gonzalez de Haro, Miramontes, Marquez de los Olivos, Perez Montes,
Minjares y Solorzano, Escobedo, Vazquez de Mercado, Acevedo y Alarcón,
Enriquez, Cid Caldera, de la Cueva Carvajal, Olague Etulain, Chavez
Banuelos, Tello de Orozco, Soto y Almeida, Renteria, Rio de Losa, Cabral,
Avila, Ortiz de San Pedro, Luna, Haro, Lamas, Vela, Beruben, Ruiz de
Guadiana, etc.

Plus some from the Celaya (El Bajio) region (Garcia de Leon, Aguilar y
Arteaga, Lopez de Aguirre, Vallejo, Maldonado, Centeno, Landin, Pisano, de
la Parra, Melendez, Mandujano, Paredes, Muñoz de Sanabria, Herrera y Porras,
Garcia Caballero, Medina, Silva, etc.), and current states of Mexico,
Pachuca, Queretaro, Puebla and Mexico City.

I've just sent some clarification on the Centenos to John Gonzalez which I
repeat here, because I relieve it didn't go through to all the list:

The first part of the information I gave (on Jose Jacinto Centeno) I got
from Mariano Gonzalez Leal: Information about the parents of Jose Jacinto
Centeno appear in the marriage information for his wedding to Antonia Ruiz
de Esparza en Aguascalientes on 21st May, 1679, cited by Luz Montejano on
her books page 185 / 1007.

As to the ancestry of Alonso Centeno, it appears on his marriage information
to wed Antonia Tello y Valverde, In Archivo de Casa de Morelos, on 2nd
August, 1664:

“Celaya, 2 de Agosto de 1664
Alonso Centeno, viudo de María de Castro, hijo de Diego Centeno y de Ana
Ortiz, difunta, tiene tratado casar con Antonia Tello Valverde, hija de
Mateo Pérez de Valverde, difunto, y de Magdalena Tello Sandoval.
Testigos: Francisco de Oviedo, Gabriel Centeno, su hermano, Pedro Rentería
Villa, Diego Dávila, maestro de boticario.
AHCM/PARROQUIAL/SACRAMENTAL/Matrimonios/Subserie/Caja 29/Exp.106/F. 251”

Martin Centeno could’ve been Alonso’s father. For the dowry he got when
marrying Quiteria Martínez de Rosas he granted “carta de dote” in Celaya on
on 9th July, 1612, which appears in the protocols of Francisco Jimenez,
notary public at the time in Celaya, which are kept in Archivo Historico
Municipal de Morelia. Although there is the possibility that Martin and
Alonso might haved been brothers.

I can say that I'm a specialist in Celaya and its region. If you or anybody
from the group have ancestors in this region let me know and I'll try and
help you.

Best regards,

Hector Felix Aizcorbe

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Ronald
Reynoso
Enviado el: Miércoles, 17 de Octubre de 2007 11:17 p.m.
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petrolona de Moctezuma Line

Hola Hector ,how are you ? Thanks for the info ,I haven't gone further than
Jacinto Centeno. I was given info that Jose Matias Centeno also went by the
name of MATHIAS CARRASQUILLA married to MARGARITA MUNOZ ROMO 02-11-1703
Dates are the same as the wife . I found it strange and thought the Centeno

was a name change.
tu primo nuevo
Ronnie ,pariente acasi todos de LOS ALTOS de JALISCO

>From: "Hector Felix"
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To:
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petrolona de Moctezuma Line
>Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:24:24 -0500
>
>Hi Ronnie,
>
>You might also be interested in the Centenos.
>
>Jose Jacinto Centeno was the son of Alonso Centeno (born in Celaya c 1625)
>and Da. Marma de Castro (born in Zacatecas c 1630);
>
>Alonso Centeno was the son of Diego Centeno (born in Celaya around 1600)
>and
>Da. Ana Ortiz;
>
>Diego Centeno was, most probably, the son of Martin Centeno and Quiteria
>Martinez de Rosas. I don't know where he was born, possibly in Spain, and
>he
>was a prominent business man and regidor of Celaya in the early 17th
>century. Quiteria was possibly born in Apaseo (near Celaya) and was the
>daughter of Cristobal Martmnez and Ana de Rosas.
>
>I'm descended from Maria Antonia Centeno, the sister of your Jose Ramon,
>who
>married three times: to Jose Lazaro Sanchez, to Miguel Antonio de Reynoso
>and to Antonio Ramon de Luna. My ancestor is the last husband.
>
>Regards,
>Hector Felix Aizcorbe
>
>-----Mensaje original-----
>De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Ronald
>Reynoso
>Enviado el: Miircoles, 17 de Octubre de 2007 12:37 p.m.
>Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org; chavz2000@aol.com;
>ron.chavez@verizon.net; jcenteno@cox.net; rogelioloza1956@yahoo.com.mx
>Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petrolona de Moctezuma Line
>
>Hola Kelly ,how are you ? Well I hope.
>This is just one over a dozen lines of my connection to Petrolina de
>Moctezuma and Martin Navarro:
>Daughter :Francisca de Gabay Navarro de Moctezuma married Lope Ruiz de
>Esparza
>Son: Cristobal Ruiz de Esparza -Had an affair-name of woman not mentioned
>Illegitimate Daughter=Antonia Ruiz de Esparza married Jacinto Centeno
>Son :Jose Matias Centeno married Margarita Munoz Romo
>Son:Jose Felix Centeno married Maria Antonia Moreno
>Son:Jose Ramon Centeno married Maria Concepcion Ramirez
>Son:Joseph Antonio Abad Centeno married Maria Guadalupe Alderete
>Daughter:Sesaria de Jesus married Jose Anastacio Padilla
>Son: Cruz Padilla married Juanita Perez
>Daughter ; Jesus Padilla married Manuel Reynoso
>Son :Baudelio Reynoso married Betty Hermosillo
>Me :Ronald(Ronnie) Reynoso married Cristina Rodriguez
>
>

Hi, Hector, we're related from your Zacatecas ancestry for sure. I
recognize so many of the names below. Marge:)
On Oct 18, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Hector Felix wrote:

>
>
> Plus many more from the Zacatecas region: Felix de Arellano, Sanchez
> Castellanos, Carlos de Godoy, de la Torre Valdes, Llanos y Valdes,
> Carrillo
> de Avila, Rodarte, Correa Troncoso Sotomayor, Sotomayor, Garcia de la
> Cadena, Gonzalez de Haro, Miramontes, Marquez de los Olivos, Perez
> Montes,
> Minjares y Solorzano, Escobedo, Vazquez de Mercado, Acevedo y Alarcón,
> Enriquez, Cid Caldera, de la Cueva Carvajal, Olague Etulain, Chavez
> Banuelos, Tello de Orozco, Soto y Almeida, Renteria, Rio de Losa,
> Cabral,
> Avila, Ortiz de San Pedro, Luna, Haro, Lamas, Vela, Beruben, Ruiz de
> Guadiana, etc.
>
> Plus some from the Celaya (El Bajio) region (Garcia de Leon, Aguilar y
> Arteaga, Lopez de Aguirre, Vallejo, Maldonado, Centeno, Landin,
> Pisano, de
> la Parra, Melendez, Mandujano, Paredes, Muñoz de Sanabria, Herrera y
> Porras,
> Garcia Caballero, Medina, Silva, etc.), and current states of Mexico,
> Pachuca, Queretaro, Puebla and Mexico City.
>
> I've just sent some clarification on the Centenos to John Gonzalez
> which I
> repeat here, because I relieve it didn't go through to all the list:
>
> The first part of the information I gave (on Jose Jacinto Centeno) I
> got
> from Mariano Gonzalez Leal: Information about the parents of Jose
> Jacinto
> Centeno appear in the marriage information for his wedding to Antonia
> Ruiz
> de Esparza en Aguascalientes on 21st May, 1679, cited by Luz Montejano
> on
> her books page 185 / 1007.
>
> As to the ancestry of Alonso Centeno, it appears on his marriage
> information
> to wed Antonia Tello y Valverde, In Archivo de Casa de Morelos, on 2nd
> August, 1664:
>
> “Celaya, 2 de Agosto de 1664
> Alonso Centeno, viudo de María de Castro, hijo de Diego Centeno y de
> Ana
> Ortiz, difunta, tiene tratado casar con Antonia Tello Valverde, hija de
> Mateo Pérez de Valverde, difunto, y de Magdalena Tello Sandoval.
> Testigos: Francisco de Oviedo, Gabriel Centeno, su hermano, Pedro
> Rentería
> Villa, Diego Dávila, maestro de boticario.
> AHCM/PARROQUIAL/SACRAMENTAL/Matrimonios/Subserie/Caja 29/Exp.106/F.
> 251”
>
> Martin Centeno could’ve been Alonso’s father. For the dowry he got when
> marrying Quiteria Martínez de Rosas he granted “carta de dote” in
> Celaya on
> on 9th July, 1612, which appears in the protocols of Francisco Jimenez,
> notary public at the time in Celaya, which are kept in Archivo
> Historico
> Municipal de Morelia. Although there is the possibility that Martin and
> Alonso might haved been brothers.
>
> I can say that I'm a specialist in Celaya and its region. If you or
> anybody
> from the group have ancestors in this region let me know and I'll try
> and
> help you.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Hector Felix Aizcorbe
>
>
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Ronald
> Reynoso
> Enviado el: Miércoles, 17 de Octubre de 2007 11:17 p.m.
> Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petrolona de Moctezuma Line
>
> Hola Hector ,how are you ? Thanks for the info ,I haven't gone further
> than
> Jacinto Centeno. I was given info that Jose Matias Centeno also went
> by the
> name of MATHIAS CARRASQUILLA married to MARGARITA MUNOZ ROMO 02-11-1703
> Dates are the same as the wife . I found it strange and thought the
> Centeno
>
> was a name change.
> tu primo nuevo
> Ronnie ,pariente acasi todos de LOS ALTOS de JALISCO
>
>
>> From: "Hector Felix"
>> Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petrolona de Moctezuma Line
>> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:24:24 -0500
>>
>> Hi Ronnie,
>>
>> You might also be interested in the Centenos.
>>
>> Jose Jacinto Centeno was the son of Alonso Centeno (born in Celaya c
>> 1625)
>> and Da. Marma de Castro (born in Zacatecas c 1630);
>>
>> Alonso Centeno was the son of Diego Centeno (born in Celaya around
>> 1600)
>> and
>> Da. Ana Ortiz;
>>
>> Diego Centeno was, most probably, the son of Martin Centeno and
>> Quiteria
>> Martinez de Rosas. I don't know where he was born, possibly in Spain,
>> and
>> he
>> was a prominent business man and regidor of Celaya in the early 17th
>> century. Quiteria was possibly born in Apaseo (near Celaya) and was
>> the
>> daughter of Cristobal Martmnez and Ana de Rosas.
>>
>> I'm descended from Maria Antonia Centeno, the sister of your Jose
>> Ramon,
>> who
>> married three times: to Jose Lazaro Sanchez, to Miguel Antonio de
>> Reynoso
>> and to Antonio Ramon de Luna. My ancestor is the last husband.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hector Felix Aizcorbe
>>
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de
>> Ronald
>> Reynoso
>> Enviado el: Miircoles, 17 de Octubre de 2007 12:37 p.m.
>> Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org; chavz2000@aol.com;
>> ron.chavez@verizon.net; jcenteno@cox.net; rogelioloza1956@yahoo.com.mx
>> Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petrolona de Moctezuma Line
>>
>> Hola Kelly ,how are you ? Well I hope.
>> This is just one over a dozen lines of my connection to Petrolina de
>> Moctezuma and Martin Navarro:
>> Daughter :Francisca de Gabay Navarro de Moctezuma married Lope Ruiz
>> de
>> Esparza
>> Son: Cristobal Ruiz de Esparza -Had an affair-name of woman not
>> mentioned
>> Illegitimate Daughter=Antonia Ruiz de Esparza married Jacinto Centeno
>> Son :Jose Matias Centeno married Margarita Munoz Romo
>> Son:Jose Felix Centeno married Maria Antonia Moreno
>> Son:Jose Ramon Centeno married Maria Concepcion Ramirez
>> Son:Joseph Antonio Abad Centeno married Maria Guadalupe Alderete
>> Daughter:Sesaria de Jesus married Jose Anastacio Padilla
>> Son: Cruz Padilla married Juanita Perez
>> Daughter ; Jesus Padilla married Manuel Reynoso
>> Son :Baudelio Reynoso married Betty Hermosillo
>> Me :Ronald(Ronnie) Reynoso married Cristina Rodriguez
>>
>>

Lo mismo, obtuve la informacion aqui en este foro, aun como Ronnie no me recuerdo quienlo dijo necesitamos comprobarlo.
Segun aqui en el foro Jacinto Centero era hijo de Alonso Centeno y Maria de Castro luegoera hijo de Diego Centeno, naturales de Celaya. Tuve nota en mis registros que segun aqui en el foro algun persona"obtuvo" esta informacion. No esta comprobado seria interesante si lo podiamos hacer.

Daniel Méndez y Pérez de Camino

> From: chilerey@msn.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 19:37:30 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Centenos
>
>
> Hola Jose, como estas ? Ojala que bien. Jacinto Centeno y Antonia Ruiz de Esparza son mis antepasados . Alguien in el grupo me dijo que Alonso Centeno (nacido como 1625 en Celaya,Guanjuato) y Maria de Castro era los padres de Jacinto Centeno y el padre de Alonso Centeno era un Diego Centeno pero no lo ha probrado. Pero no me acuerdo quien me doy estos nombres.
> Ronnie Reynoso
>
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > From: josejime@yahoo.com
> > Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:20:42 -0800
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Centenos
> >
> > Hola me gustaria saber de donde obtuvo el nombre de los padres de Jacito Centeno esposo de ANtonia Ruiz de Esparza casada en Aguascalientes, porque yo tengo el acta de matrimonio y no aparecen los padres y no he podido conseguir la informacion matrimonial., te agradeceria mucho esta informacion para continuar con mi busqueda de los ancestros mil gracias
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