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By ArturoG |

Dear NR primos,
Would it be common to have different children named "Jose Maria" + a different middle name?

I have been looking for "Jose Maria Gonzalez Ledesma" and I believe I have found him. His baptism is given in acta #3166 in the 1790 Baptisms in Calvillo:
https://www.familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11107-161431-98?cc=141…

But the first name of this child is "Jose Maria Nicolas." The date fits and I haven't seen another Nicolas Gonzalez in the family tree and that is why I think this is THE ancestor I've been searching for. I have also considered the possibility that this child died and the parents had another on and simply named him "Jose Maria," and I'll investigate this at a later point in time.

Thanks for your input.

Arturo G

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mendezdetorres

13 years 2 months ago

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Many kids were baptized with multiple names, my 2nd great grandmother was baptized Maria Daria Atilana del Refugio Rubio de Zepeda, but she went by Atilana. This is probably your ancestor it would be enough proof for me in my own lines, and I'm very critical. As long you have the same parents, grandparents, location, should be good.

Daniel Mendez Camino

I also think it's the Jose Maria I'm looking for because it matches with the parents names, and they are residing in La Barranca where it seems there were several people from La Villita near Jalpa.

One thing I'm still looking for is which "Barranca" the Calvillo church refers to. I haven't found anything definitive, the Diccionario Geografico by Cuba gives 2 Barrancas near Calvillo, Barranca del Roble and Barranca de Frensos. Today you can also see Barranca del Portale de Portales.

Interesting tidbit from my 87 year-old uncle. He says that he would deliver eggs and other products to Aguascalientes and would take the go from La Villita to Hacienda de San Pedro and head west into the mountains and then past Calvillo and into Aguascalientes. He can't recall how long it took (he used a burro) but he says it was 8-12 hours. Google says it takes 8 hours to walk from Jalpa to Calvillo, so I believe him.

I wish you the best of luck in your search. Nothing is better than the feeling of success in your genealogy. Interesting not my Camino family lived in the Hacienda de San Pedro for about 3 years 1897-1900 where two kids were born. They would move around a lot, Aguascalientes, Mexico City, Pinos, Asientos, Huanusco, Jalpa and Calvillo.
Daniel M

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It was common for men to not use their middle names, wich were given at their baptism, when they were adults. Sometimes the "Jose" whould be dropped also, altough not when named Jose Maria. It could be highly unlikely that his parents renamed him after another diseased child; as far as i understand it was "bad" luck. Hope this helps,

A. Bugarin

It could be highly unlikely that as far as i understand it was "bad" luck. Hope this
helps,t his parents renamed him after another
diseased child

So many parents named their child after a child died. They felt like they were honoring the deceased child. I have many many instances of two or more children with the same name in my family files.

In my mother's family there were three boys named Teodulo after the first two had died. The third one still lives.

Alicia

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It was common for men to not use their middle names, wich were given at their baptism, when they were adults. Sometimes the "Jose" whould be dropped also, altough not when named Jose Maria. It could be highly unlikely that his parents renamed him after another diseased child; as far as i understand it was "bad" luck. Hope this helps,

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I have seen in the US censuses and old Mexican census from 1841 and in the Mexican baptism records where they named another child with the name of another one that was older and they both lived to adulthood. In one instance they called the older child "primera".

Emilie

> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:06:58 -0700
> From: alliecar@pacbell.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Naming of children after deceased child
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> It could be highly unlikely that as far as i understand it was "bad" luck. Hope this
> helps,t his parents renamed him after another
> diseased child
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> So many parents named their child after a child died. They felt like they were honoring the deceased child. I have many many instances of two or more children with the same name in my family files.
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>
> In my mother's family there were three boys named Teodulo after the first two had died. The third one still lives.
>
> Alicia
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> It was common for men to not use their middle names, wich were given at their baptism, when they were adults. Sometimes the "Jose" whould be dropped also, altough not when named Jose Maria. It could be highly unlikely that his parents renamed him after another diseased child; as far as i understand it was "bad" luck. Hope this helps,
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> A. Bugarin -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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I'm not sure about the "bad" luck issue. My grandparents were from Jalisco,
Durango, Guanajuato and Chihuahua, and both of my parents have sibs who were
named after deceased older sibs, with only very slight changes in the formal
names, and less to none in the name they used. I would have thought that if
any one of grandparents were superstitious, they would have insisted (within
that couple),that this not be done.

Raquel Ruiz

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:52 PM, wrote:

> It was common for men to not use their middle names, wich were given at
> their baptism, when they were adults. Sometimes the "Jose" whould be dropped
> also, altough not when named Jose Maria. It could be highly unlikely that
> his parents renamed him after another diseased child; as far as i understand
> it was "bad" luck. Hope this helps,
>
> A. Bugarin -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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