Daniel,

I think that would be a great idea to get a copy of those documents and
address the topic with Mariano Gonzalez Leal. I think it's about time we
solve this mystery. Or at least rule out certain families as the parents of
Toribio.

Paige

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> Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 10:12:59 -0700
> From: Daniel Alejandro M?ndez de Torres y Camino
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> To: Nuestros Ranchos >
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] TORIBIO HERNANDEZ DE ARELLANO
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> Paige,
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> Toribio's estimated birth year was set at 1530 due to the various
> notorial, wills, birth records, etc that are found in Santa Maria de los
> Lagos and La Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. I personally do not have these,
> but Mariano Gonzalez Leal has them several copies of them. I can ask if I
> can get a copy or bring up the subject to his attention if you would like.
> Please, remember until there is an actual document that states the day,
> month and year it is not scripture. Priest committed errors, even some
> people it appears did not know what year they were born, etc. Even if the
> record says, he was (i.e. 30) it does not satisfy me until I have a primary
> source. Many people have been trying to connect our ancestors to the royal
> houses of Europe. Many of has have succeeded, but in the case of Toribio
> and Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza. We need documents. We can't simply say, I
> think. We need to get into a habit of using documents. I have found many
> websites with his parents as Juan Fernan
> dez de Hijar, el conde de Belchite. My question is what document do they
> have to prove it? None. Good eye on the his death date, this rules it out.
>
> I am restless of finding people constantly plagiarizing, assuming, and
> posting on these "so-called" genealogical websites. I have been a victim of
> such behavior. I spend hours, studying, analyzing, ordering documents from
> Spain, and then I share it and people pass it off as their own work. And
> then it gets leaked and it appears on these websites, Genenet, Genie,
> Ancestry, etc. Never sourced. I choose to publish my work now before I
> release it.
>
> Daniel MdTC
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 13:43:48 -0700
> From: Mia Montemayor >
> To: "research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org "
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> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] TORIBIO HERNANDEZ DE ARELLANO
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> Hola Page and Daniel,
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> It's the sites like you mention geni and the others that really confused me
> going back to the 1300s with ancestors of Toribio Hernandez de Arellano.
> When I started I wasn't aware that they had false information and thought
> it must be known information and I was convinced I descended from Cort?s
> and many others. I still think that if you use apellidos like Hurtado de
> Mendoza or Ramirez de Arellano that their must be a connection to those
> ruling houses and would just like to know which line is correct.
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> Mia
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Hola Page and Daniel,

It's the sites like you mention geni and the others that really confused me
going back to the 1300s with ancestors of Toribio Hernandez de Arellano.
When I started I wasn't aware that they had false information and thought
it must be known information and I was convinced I descended from Cortés
and many others. I still think that if you use apellidos like Hurtado de
Mendoza or Ramirez de Arellano that their must be a connection to those
ruling houses and would just like to know which line is correct.

Mia

Mia,

I don't know anything about this topic, but I did have a question. I notice
that in several places on the forum, Toribio Hernandez de Arellano's birth
is said to be 1530; my question is, is that date known or is it just a
guess? Because I looked up Juan Fernandez de Hijar and he died June
29th, 1509, which would be 21 years before Toribio Hernandez de Arellano
was born if 1530 is right.

Hello all,

I was curious what new information is available regarding the ancestry
of Toribio Hernandez de Arellano, the spouse of Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza.
I reviewed many older Nuestros Ranchos forums regarding Toribio and most
say that he's the son of Count Juan Fernandez de Hijar and Isabel de
Arellano. Does anyone know if that's true?

Mia