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My name is Cathy Tagliabue. I am from the Houston, Texas area. I am researching my Mother's biological father Pablo Montano from Juanacatlin, Jalisco, Mexico. In the 1930's my Mother's biological parents worked for a hospital in Waco, TX. Pablo and his brother Hilarion would cross into the US for work and they roomed together. Pablo worked there for at least a decade.

I need some assistance. After looking on Ancestry.com there are 2 or 3 Pablo's that could be her Father and I need help finding a document that has both Pablo and Hilarion on it. I also found a border crossing for Hilarion that states his father is Jesus. Any advice or suggestions are welcomed. Pablo was suppose to be an older man. I found a border crossing for a Pablo Montano where he crosses into Waco, TX. and shows his birth-year as 1897.

I also had DNA testing through Ancestry.com for my ethnic makeup and it shows that I am 11% Native American. I am hoping I can also find out more about that.

I was a banker and a stay at home Mom. I've been battling cancer the last couple of years. This is my Mom's dream to find out more about her biological father.
My dear sweet Mother passed away 16 years ago.

Thank you.
Cathy

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RJQ

9 years 7 months ago

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Cathy, my first suggestion is to use FamilySearch (if you haven't), and from there see how many Pablo Montano (Mantana, Montaño/a, Montañez, etc.) may fit with the time frame of your Grandpa, independently of the town of Juanacatlán, this is because the name is abundant and this specific town, like Ricci mentioned, doesn't has records of its own beyond the 1900's, plus there are quite a few towns cities where he could have been baptized. Even if he live there, there is no assurance that he and his family are in fact from that town.

I would also recommend to try to locate your Grandparents marriage record, (I am thinking they married in the USA, right?) and if you know Pablo's wife name would be of much help, I would think that the marriage record may have his parents names, finding his mother's would definitely provide better chances to ever find out about his origins.

Third, finding about his brother Hilarion, (could also be Hilario at some records) like marriage, kids, burial, records may provide the facts that are missing on your Grandpa. Also finding records of both brothers that match their parents names is going to be more plausible than a record that mention both at the same time, although the last is not impossible either.

There is a record of Hilarion Montano crossing the border in October 1928, is this the one you have? because the index in FamilySearch mention Chapala to be his hometown, which is close to Juanacatlán. If you think that is in fact your Granduncle, then you can try to research Chapala, newer records (from the last 140-100 years) often have no index on FamilySearch, thus browsing the actual record is necessary.

I know very little about DNA, but most people from Mexico in the 1900's has (more or less) some Indigenous blood, I but I don't think there is much more to find out about it, like specific tribes.

RJQ,

You are correct. There isn't much else that can be determined about the 11% Native American as far as which tribe or a small group of people from a specific region of Jalisco.

Here is what can be determined. If both of her mother's parents were Mexican/Hispanic/Latin American then their total combined Native American would have been about 44% and her mother about 22% and her 11%. If only her maternal grandfather was Mexican/Hispanic/Latin American then he was about 44% Native American. Ancestry does a much better job than FamilyTreeDNA myOrigins at identifying the Native American so in that respect it's a good thing she got an autosomal DNA test at Ancestry.

FamilyTreeDNA does have mtDNA tests though so if her direct maternal line is from Mexico she can get a test there and see which haplogroup it is and see if she has matches but it is extremely hard or close to impossible to find the common ancestor especially when the the mtDNA is Native American (A2,B2,C1,D1,X) or the matches don't have trees which they don't most of the time.

Hello y Hola
I currently live in Lathrop, CA. (south of Stockton, CA) but was raised in Sunnyvale, Ca. My father came from Nayarit ( I know its not our target area, just hold on), he was brought to the USA by his uncle that had been a brazero. My father has always been very proud of being from Nayarit and did not like to admit that he had been born in Jalisco, where his family was originally from. He has now become a victim of dementia. Over the years my father explained that his family had been run out of Jalisco after the Cristada (true or not.. that’s what I need to find out) His father, Margarito Guzman and his many brothers had been agitators and caused a lot of trouble to the government and land owners, according to my father. My grandfather was from a ranch called “el Cuyul” near Talpa. His father was Ignacio Guzman and his mother was Maria Velasco. Maria Velasco was from the Talpa area and according to records I have found on familysearch.com and ancestry.com her family had been in the area for several generations. Ignacio was from the Ayutla area and according to my Uncle he was kicked out of the family hacienda (Hacienda Trinidad) because he was a problem child. His family has also been in the Ayutla area for hundreds of years.
My father’s mother is from Ayutla and I have been told that she was related somehow to Margarito. I m trying to find how it was that she was related to her husband. Her name was Maria de Jesus Gutierrez Guzman, her parents were Aurelio (Aureliano?) Gutierrez and Maria Guzman. My father said that they were from the Villa de Purificacion area.

When my grandparents were first married they lived in a ranch called “el bosque”. It appears that the rancho is nonexistent today.

I have a family tree that goes back 2 hundred years.

My mother was from Nuevo Leon, so I will not be working on her family on this website.

My husband is also from Tamazula. His surnames are Silva and Esqueda. He is related to the Villalvaso family on his father’s side. They were from El Portozuelo, San Francisco, Tamazula, Jal.

I look forward to working and collaborating with all of the Nuestroranchos Family,
Love,
Maria Guzman-Silva

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coronaarechiga

8 years 1 month ago

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Hello Maria, I came across your message and the fact that you have family from Ayutla caught my eye. I do have an Ignacio Gusman in my tree, not direct relative. I doubt he is your great grandfather, but sometimes common names are used for children and grandchildren and he was from Santa Rosalia. Here is a dispensa I found, it might be helpful: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-39227-1066-61?cc=1937239&… Deedra Corona

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R.A.Ricci (not verified)

9 years 7 months ago

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Hello Cathy

I can try to help you but I need a little more information to begin the search. I need more info on Juanacatlin, Jalisco, Mexico. How big is this town or. It's. What are the nearest bigger towns or cities. Do the cities zapotlanejo, ,atotonilco or arandas sound familiar? Is there any information that you can add to help identify them or the area they came from?

R A Ricci

Thanks Armando

Do you know if the records from Juanacatlin, Jalisco, Mexico in the 1800s are found in Zapotlanejo? I did find something there and that is why I included it in the group of cities that I asked about?

Rick A Ricci

Greetings Fellow Genealogists -

My name is Daniel Meckley and I have recently joined the Nuestros Ranchos
group. For the past several years, I have been researching the ancestry of
my husband, Luis Alberto Suárez Paillas. Both families are from Jesús
Maria, Aguascalientes. I had been able to find a lot of information using
FamilySearch, but I had a lot of holes and was missing one entire branch
from the Pasillas side of the family. Last week I stumbled upon the
Nuestros Ranchos web site and a different link to FamilySearch that lets me
actually view birth certificates! This has made all the difference! I was
able to find a birth certificate that gave me the information I needed to
go backwards in the missing branch.

I have about 950 names in the Suárez Pasillas tree – all from Jesús Maria
(or Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes if they lived before Jesús Maria
existed.) I would love to share the information I have found with anyone
who is researching in the same area. I am really excited to be part of the
Nuestros Ranchos group.

What's the link for the Birth Certificates?

Paul J Gomez
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> On Apr 19, 2015, at 9:23 AM, Daniel Meckley <0dgmiv@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings Fellow Genealogists -
>
>
>
> My name is Daniel Meckley and I have recently joined the Nuestros Ranchos
> group. For the past several years, I have been researching the ancestry of
> my husband, Luis Alberto Suárez Paillas. Both families are from Jesús
> Maria, Aguascalientes. I had been able to find a lot of information using
> FamilySearch, but I had a lot of holes and was missing one entire branch
> from the Pasillas side of the family. Last week I stumbled upon the
> Nuestros Ranchos web site and a different link to FamilySearch that lets me
> actually view birth certificates! This has made all the difference! I was
> able to find a birth certificate that gave me the information I needed to
> go backwards in the missing branch.
>
>
> I have about 950 names in the Suárez Pasillas tree – all from Jesús Maria
> (or Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes if they lived before Jesús Maria
> existed.) I would love to share the information I have found with anyone
> who is researching in the same area. I am really excited to be part of the
> Nuestros Ranchos group.

Here is a link to the Civil Records for Jesus Maria, Aguascalientes that has birth certificates along with other civil records:

https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysea…

(note this is a long link so if it wraps to the next line you might have to rebuild it in your web browser)

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
Clean@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Paul J Gomez
> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 2:22 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction
>
> What's the link for the Birth Certificates?
>
> Paul J Gomez
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 19, 2015, at 9:23 AM, Daniel Meckley <0dgmiv@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings Fellow Genealogists -
> >
> >
> >
> > My name is Daniel Meckley and I have recently joined the Nuestros
> > Ranchos group. For the past several years, I have been researching
> the
> > ancestry of my husband, Luis Alberto Suárez Paillas. Both families
> are
> > from Jesús Maria, Aguascalientes. I had been able to find a lot of
> > information using FamilySearch, but I had a lot of holes and was
> > missing one entire branch from the Pasillas side of the family. Last
> > week I stumbled upon the Nuestros Ranchos web site and a different
> > link to FamilySearch that lets me actually view birth certificates!
> > This has made all the difference! I was able to find a birth
> > certificate that gave me the information I needed to go backwards in
> the missing branch.
> >
> >
> > I have about 950 names in the Suárez Pasillas tree – all from Jesús
> > Maria (or Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes if they lived before Jesús
> > Maria
> > existed.) I would love to share the information I have found with
> > anyone who is researching in the same area. I am really excited to be
> > part of the Nuestros Ranchos group.
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