Im looking for the parents of Florentino de Alva and Felipa Alonso, they're
probly born around 1820. just hoping someone might have their parents or
know something about them
Florention de Alva and Felipa Alonso show up on FamilySearch in the marriages of their children Longino, Maximiano, and Cecilia among others.
There are corresponding baptism records for these children however Felipa is shown with the last name of Ruiz. It appears that Felipa used Ruiz early in her marriage and later changed to Alonso.
The marriage record of Florentino de Alva and Felipa Ruiz has Florentino's parents as Jose del Carmen de Alva and Placida de Alva; and Felipa as 'hija natural' of Nepomucena Ruiz. It also states that the couple required a marriage dispensation of 'consanguinidad en tercero con cuartro grado'
"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18565-27439-5?cc=1874591 : 28 June 2014), Encarnación de Díaz > La Encarnación > Matrimonios 1830-1857 > image 314 of 863; parroquias Católicas, Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco).
I did not find any information for the couple Jose del Carmen de Alva and Placida de Alva. But there are several baptism records and a marriage record for CARLOS de Alva and Placida de Alva including a baptism record for Florentino de Alva. It appears that the father's name in Florentino de Alva's marriage record was entered incorrectly.
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N1C1-J62 : 12 December 2014), Florentino Alva Alva, 22 Mar 1817; citing Encarnación de Díaz, Jalisco, Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,155,174.
There is a baptism record for Felipa Alonso 'hija legitima' of Miguel Alonso and Nepomucena Ruiz. Felipa's paternal grandparents are listed as Miguel Alonso and Encarnacion de Chavez and the maternal Ignacio Ruiz and Ana Alonso. Antother discrepancy here is that she is listed as 'hija legitima' while her baptism record lists her as 'hija natural'. I did not find a marriage record for Miguel Alonso and Nepomucena Ruiz and also no luck finding records for the paternal grandparents (Miguel Alonso and Encarnacion de Chavez).
"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18686-20254-10?cc=1874591 : 28 June 2014), Encarnación de Díaz > La Encarnación > Bautismos 1814-1826 > image 177 of 761; parroquias Católicas, Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco).
So if we accept the above assumptinos the dispensation for Florentino and Felipa could be as shown below. It would really help confirm this if we could locate the record for their marriage dispensation.
Saludos
Austin Perez
tronco: Manuel Alonso de los Hinojos casado con Juana Bautista Martin de Sotomayor
primer grado: Maria Antonia Alonso de los Hinojos heramana de Ana Gertrudis Alonso de los Hinojos
segundo grado: Paula Lucia Garcia prima hermana de Nepomucena Ruiz
tercer grado: Placida de Alva prima segunda de Felipa Ruiz aka Alonos, pretensa
Thank you for this information. after you said she was named Felipa Ruiz
and she has a dispensa i looked and found the image on katy's dispensas and
its there, but i don't know how to read it or who the person at the top
under jose alonso is. it looks like Anica, but that doesnt sound like a
name.
You are right, it reads Anica, does not seem to be a name but it is a very uncommon name. However she is listed as Anna (or Anna Gertrudis) in the following records:
Thank you Ruben. That makes sense. the dispensa has a lot of errors. it has
jose Alonso at the top of the Tronco and Anica and Maria as his daughters
but his daughters should be Anna Gertrudis and and Maria Antonia and the
person at the top should be Manuel Alonso de los Hinojos thats married to
Juana Baptista Martin de Sotomayor.
Danny C. Alonso
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 10:45 AM, wrote:
> Danny, You are right, it reads Anica, does not seem to be a name but it is
> a
> very uncommon name. However she is listed as Anna (or Anna Gertrudis) in
> the
> following records: Her marriage (May 27 1780):
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-V5S4-7W Chistening of her
> daughter Nepomucena (May 23 1781):
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-JX3B-6 Hope this helps on
> your
> search.
>
Florentino de Alva and Felipa
Hi Danny,
Florention de Alva and Felipa Alonso show up on FamilySearch in the marriages of their children Longino, Maximiano, and Cecilia among others.
There are corresponding baptism records for these children however Felipa is shown with the last name of Ruiz. It appears that Felipa used Ruiz early in her marriage and later changed to Alonso.
The marriage record of Florentino de Alva and Felipa Ruiz has Florentino's parents as Jose del Carmen de Alva and Placida de Alva; and Felipa as 'hija natural' of Nepomucena Ruiz. It also states that the couple required a marriage dispensation of 'consanguinidad en tercero con cuartro grado'
"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18565-27439-5?cc=1874591 : 28 June 2014), Encarnación de Díaz > La Encarnación > Matrimonios 1830-1857 > image 314 of 863; parroquias Católicas, Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco).
I did not find any information for the couple Jose del Carmen de Alva and Placida de Alva. But there are several baptism records and a marriage record for CARLOS de Alva and Placida de Alva including a baptism record for Florentino de Alva. It appears that the father's name in Florentino de Alva's marriage record was entered incorrectly.
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N1C1-J62 : 12 December 2014), Florentino Alva Alva, 22 Mar 1817; citing Encarnación de Díaz, Jalisco, Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,155,174.
There is a baptism record for Felipa Alonso 'hija legitima' of Miguel Alonso and Nepomucena Ruiz. Felipa's paternal grandparents are listed as Miguel Alonso and Encarnacion de Chavez and the maternal Ignacio Ruiz and Ana Alonso. Antother discrepancy here is that she is listed as 'hija legitima' while her baptism record lists her as 'hija natural'. I did not find a marriage record for Miguel Alonso and Nepomucena Ruiz and also no luck finding records for the paternal grandparents (Miguel Alonso and Encarnacion de Chavez).
"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18686-20254-10?cc=1874591 : 28 June 2014), Encarnación de Díaz > La Encarnación > Bautismos 1814-1826 > image 177 of 761; parroquias Católicas, Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco).
So if we accept the above assumptinos the dispensation for Florentino and Felipa could be as shown below. It would really help confirm this if we could locate the record for their marriage dispensation.
Saludos
Austin Perez
tronco: Manuel Alonso de los Hinojos casado con Juana Bautista Martin de Sotomayor
primer grado: Maria Antonia Alonso de los Hinojos heramana de Ana Gertrudis Alonso de los Hinojos
segundo grado: Paula Lucia Garcia prima hermana de Nepomucena Ruiz
tercer grado: Placida de Alva prima segunda de Felipa Ruiz aka Alonos, pretensa
cuarto grado: Florentino de Alva, pretenso
Florentino de Alva and Felipa Alonso
Austin,
Thank you for this information. after you said she was named Felipa Ruiz
and she has a dispensa i looked and found the image on katy's dispensas and
its there, but i don't know how to read it or who the person at the top
under jose alonso is. it looks like Anica, but that doesnt sound like a
name.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XQ4M-P
Danny C. Alonso
Anica
Danny,
You are right, it reads Anica, does not seem to be a name but it is a very uncommon name. However she is listed as Anna (or Anna Gertrudis) in the following records:
Her marriage (May 27 1780):
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-V5S4-7W
Chistening of her daughter Nepomucena (May 23 1781):
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-JX3B-6
Hope this helps on your search.
Anica
Thank you Ruben. That makes sense. the dispensa has a lot of errors. it has
jose Alonso at the top of the Tronco and Anica and Maria as his daughters
but his daughters should be Anna Gertrudis and and Maria Antonia and the
person at the top should be Manuel Alonso de los Hinojos thats married to
Juana Baptista Martin de Sotomayor.
Danny C. Alonso
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 10:45 AM, wrote:
> Danny, You are right, it reads Anica, does not seem to be a name but it is
> a
> very uncommon name. However she is listed as Anna (or Anna Gertrudis) in
> the
> following records: Her marriage (May 27 1780):
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-V5S4-7W Chistening of her
> daughter Nepomucena (May 23 1781):
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-JX3B-6 Hope this helps on
> your
> search.
>