I am trying to find the parents of Juan de Anda, and to determine if he is part of the Anda Altamirano family.
Juan married Maria Ortega Espinosa on 28 Jul 1658, in Lagos de Moreno, the record gives her parents, but not his. Of their six children, Juana de Anda married Nicolas Macias Valadez in Lagos de Moreno on 16 Sep 1680.
Any help would be appreciated.
George Fulton
Juan de Anda
Dear George,
Juana de Anda and Nicolas Macias Valadez may have been related as there is another branch of the family that used De Anda as a surname when the De Anda came from the maternal side. If Juan De Anda is from this line then there should be a marriage dispensation saying that Juana De Anda and Nicolas Macias Valadez are related through the Macias Valadez line.
Rick A. Ricci
Juan de Anda
Dear George,
Juana de Anda and Nicolas Macias Valadez may have been related as there is another branch of the family that used De Anda as a surname when the De Anda came from the maternal side. If Juan De Anda is from this line then there should be a marriage dispensation saying that Juana De Anda and Nicolas Macias Valadez are related through the Macias Valadez line.
Rick A. Ricci
Juan de Anda
Dear George,
Juana de Anda and Nicolas Macias Valadez may have been related as there is another branch of the family that used De Anda as a surname when the De Anda came from the maternal side. If Juan De Anda is from this line then there should be a marriage dispensation saying that Juana De Anda and Nicolas Macias Valadez are related through the Macias Valadez line.
Rick A. Ricci
Juan de Anda
Dear Gorge,
Your inquiry into Juan De Anda led to Armando providing much information on Catalina Rodriguez Salceded's ancestors. I have now added many generations of her ancestors to my family tree.
Thank you,
Rick A. Ricci
Juan de Anda
George,
The Juan de Anda that is married to Catalina Rodriguez de Salcedo and is the son of Alonso Fernandez de Rueda and Ana de Anda Altamirano is the most likely candidate. He does not marry Catalina until he is about forty-two. Maria Ortega Espinosa may have been his first wife. If we could find juan and Catalina's marriage record we could check to see if it references a prior marriage. We can also check the marriage information records for all the children and grandchildren looking for clues.
Rick
Juan de Anda
He can't be the Juan de Anda that married Catalina Rodriguez de Salcedo because in Jalostotitlan: Padrones Parroquiales Volumen 1: 1649, 1650 y 1670 (Spanish Edition)
by Sergio Gutierrez Link: https://amzn.com/1496120019 they are already a couple in the padrón of 1670. Then in the book Historia de nuestra señora de San Juan de los Lagos, y del culto de esta milagrosa imagen by Alberto Santoscoy January 1, 1903, which can be read for free at Google Books, the padrón of 1679 is included and they are mentioned again with the same slave named Pasquala. I know it is the correct Catalina because in 1670 she is mentioned with the surname Rodríguez de Lara, which is a reference to her Lara ancestry since she is a granddaughter of Cristóbal Vázquez de Lara who is a grandson of Elvira Gil de Lara, and in 1679 she is mentioned with the surname Rodríguez de Salcedo.
Juan de Anda and María de Ortega had children between 1659 and 1679 with three of them being born after 1670.
He can't be the Juan de Anda that married Isabel Martínez de Alarcón since two daughters of Juan and Isabel were married 20 Feb 1686 Film 639756 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19050-63666-96 putting their birth prior to the birth of at least 3 children of Juan de Anda and María de Ortega.
Just some info that might be interesting. According to the book Bautismos, Matrimonios y Defunciones, en el Primer Siglo de Santa María de los Lagos by Mario Gómez Mata the hacienda La Mesa Redonda in what is now called Lagos de Moreno was conceded to Pedro de Anda Altamirano on 15 Aug 1576 by the king Felipe II. He, or a descendant of the same name, and his hacienda are mentioned in a marriage record in 1633 of where his servants were padrinos. Film 221404 image 433 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18684-23296-14 Interestingly enough this hacienda became interchangeably known as La Mesa de los Villalobos, as well as La Mesa Redonda, starting in the year 1703 when María the daughter of Tomás de Villalobos Martín del Campo and Francisca Tiscareño Romo de Vivar is baptized and the registration states "María Española hija legitima de Thomas de Villalobos [Martín del Campo] y de Franisca de Esareño vesinos de esta feligresía un su Hacienda de La Mesa" Film 221406 Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1634-1665 image 433. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18684-23296-14
Most of the descendants of Tomás de Villalobos Martín del Campo and Francisca Tiscareño Romo de Vivar are mentioned as being from La Mesa Redonda and interchangeably as being from La Mesa de los Villalobos.
According to a dispensa for Rosa María, a daughter of Miguel de Villalobos and Josefa López de la Cruz (daughter of Juan de Anda and María de Ortega) she and her fiancé were 2nd cousins and Miguel de Villalobos was an hijo natural of Tomás de Villalobos [Macías Valadez] and her fiancé was a grandson of Miguel de Villalobos [Macías Valadez] meaning they were both descendants of Tomas de Villalobos and Catarina Macias Valadez. Film 168373 16 Aug 1734 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18424-14359-3
Salvador de Villalobos Macías Valadez was a testigo at the marriage of Miguel de Villalobos and Josefa López de la Cruz Film 221512 image 44 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18567-42616-8
I found in the Aguascalientes notary records where Salvador de Villalobos Macías Valadez sold property to the younger children of his brother Tomás de Villalobos Macías Valadez and he states that he was their tutor and legal guardian. Salvador de Villalobos Macías Valadez and Francisca Martín del Campo y López de la Cruz were the parents of Tomás de Villalobos Martín del Campo who married Francisca Tiscareño Romo de Vivar, 15 May 1689 in Aguascalientes, and was the person that became the owner of La Mesa Redonda or La Mesa de los Villalobos.
Saludos,
Armando
Juan de Anda
Armando
Thank you very much for all this information. I think we can conclude that the line of Juan de Anda and Maria de Ortega ends at this point, and it remains unknown if he is connected to the Anda Altamirano family.
I appreciate the detail with the references.
George Fulton
Juan de Anda
Dear Armando,
Thank you very much for your detailed response, I did not have Catalina Rodriguez de Salcedo's ancestors so this is great news for my tree as she is an ancestor of mine.
Thanks again,
Rick
Juan de Anda
Dear George,
Check the names of the padrinos in the baptismal records. You just might find a Fernandez de Rueda on one of the records.
Rick
Juan de Anda Altamirano y Fernandez de Rueda
The Juan de Anda that is married to Catalina Rodriguez de Salcedo is the son of Alonso Fernandez de Rueda and Ana de Anda Altamirano.
This Juan de Anda Altamirano is baptized on 2/Aug/1636 and does not have many children in my records. He could have become a widower and remarried. Or he could have been married previously.
This Juan is from the same location as the one married to Maria Ortega y Espinosa.
This juan is married in about 1678 and because of his perceived birthdate he most likely had a previous marriage and his first wife could have been your Maria Ortega. Do you have a death record on Maria Ortega? Is Maria Ortega recorded as still being alive when her children marry? Ther are many records that need to be checked to look for more clues.
I do have another Juan de Anda in my records in that period of time and in that location. Both Juan de Andas are related. This Juan de Anda is uncle to the one above. He is married to Isabel Martinez de Alarcon.
Link
RicK
The marriage is in film 221404, image 411; the first part of the film is baptisms.
George
Search baptismal records
George,
I didn't find any additional clues in the marriage record. Check all the kids baptismal records for their padrinos and witnesses. There also may be dispensations that may identify who his parents are.
Good luck,
Rick
Juan de Anda
Dear George,
I looked at my records to look up the Juan De Anda that had taken his mother's surname. This Juan de Anda is married. But he does not have many children with this wife. Does the marriage record of Juan de Anda and Maria Ortega y Espinosa show that he was widowed? Can you send me the link or image number so that I may check out the marriage record? The surname that I was looking for is Fernandez or Hernandez.
Thanks,
Rick
Juan de Anda
Dear George,
Some of the de Anda male members actually took the surname from their mother. I don't remember the details and need to look up many records to see if Juan was from this family. The time and location seems to fit though. Did any of their children use a different surname?
Rick A. Ricci
Juan de Anda
Juan de Anda and Maria de Ortega had a daughter that was also named Maria de Ortega. She married Bartolo de Salas in 1690 in Santa Maria de los Lagos.
Danny C. Alonso
Juan de Anda
And another daughter of Juan de Anda and Maria de Ortega Espinosa used the surname Espinoza. When I asked about a different surname I meant a surname other than de Anda, Ortega, or Espiniza.
Josepha de Espinos
This daughter is Josepha de Espinosa who married Miguel de Villalobos on 16 Sep 1680 in Lagos de Moreno. As far as I know the others used the surname de Anda.
George
Maria de Ortega
here is their daughter Maria de Ortega:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Ortega-92
Danny C. Alonso