I found a record of the death of a Carlos Lomelin in Spain in 1648....Would anyone know if this is the same one who the Lomelis from Jalisco decend from? Unfortunately no one else is mentioned in the record. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11077-161406-14?cc=1431011
Carlos de Lomelin
The record mentions that Carlos had a brother named Juan Baptista Lomelin. That may help.
-Claudia
Carlos de Lomelin
I didnt catch that at first(Juan Baptista)....Its well known Carlos de Lomelin had a brother named Luis ,but I am not aware of a Juan Baptista.Ive read Lomellin was changed to Lomelin upon reaching Mexico...so it's left me a bit confused why this Carlos in Spain would be Lomelin instead of Lomellini. Im wondering if anyone who has done more research than me on Carlos Lomelin would happen to know if he died in Mexico or Spain and in what year. I haven't read anything on his death in my short time researching. Thanks, Alejandro Lomeli
Carlos de Lomelin
Carlos,
The Lomellini family was one of the principal nobles houses of Genoa, Italy. At the time certain parts of Italy were under Spanish dominion. If you look up italian genealogical books on google books it will come up several times. I do know of projects that are taking place as we speak about the origins of this family. You are correct, Luis or Luigi Lomellini was the brother of Carlo Lomellini. If I recall correctly, Luis settled in Pachuca and Carlos, obviously settled in Nochistlan. There were many other Lomelin who settled in the 1500-1600s in Mexico City. Have you been able to connect to Carlo Lomellini? I think I descend about 5 times through the Lomelin and Lomelin y Mendoza, different lines that took different names.
Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino
Carlos de Lomelin
hello Daniel,
I wasnt aware of other Lomellinis settling in Mexico City, I was under the impression The Lomelins from Jalisco/Nochistlan in the old days pretty much descend from Carlos and the ones from Mexico City from Luis. I have found(and with help of members here) that i descend directly from Carlos.Ive also found I have another Lomeli line branching in, and 3 Xaurigue/Jauregui lines as well(which i plan on coming back and doing research on).Since Ive reached Carlos de Lomelin on my line I've taken a greater interest in researching the Lomellinis. Ive read some articles on them here online , but not much on them dealing with Spain.I am open to suggestions on anything written about them, and hopefully be able to further my tree.Thanks,
Alejandro lomeli
Jauregui and Lomeli unions
Hello Alejandro
I would appreciate knowing more about your Jauregui/Lomeli lines as I to am researching one, Enrique Jauregui and Maria Antonia Lomeli.
Maybe I can find a connection.
Thanks,
R.A.Ricci
Lomeli/Jauregui
Hello R.A.Ricci......sorry i am just responding. You are more than welcome to view my family tree on Ancestry....i am under 7shagzilla7....ill let you go through it if you request it. I havent worked on it in a while but so far i have 2 Lomeli and 4 Jauregui lines i believe.
Alejandro Lomeli
Lomeli / Jauregui
Hello Alejandro
Thank you for your response. I will request to view it next month after New Year's Day. I have continued to work on the Lomeli(ni) lines and have made some interesting discoveries reinforcing my earlier research. I look forward to looking up your research and seeing how we connect.
Thanks again and happy New Year.
R.A.Ricci
Carlos Lomelin
I would like to bring this theme to the website's attention again.
The record that "aLomeli" found mentions that this Carlos Lomelin passed away on the 20th of October 1648.
María de Benavides -wife of Carlos Lomelin- was registered as a widow in 1649.
Business related trips to "los reinos de Castilla" and back to the Spanish ultramarine kingdoms happened and there are many examples of people from Nueva Galicia who went back and forth.
To think that Carlos Lomelin returned to Spain where his brother Juan Bautista lived, and then he passed away -for whatever reason- in Albacete in 1648, is something possible.
To discard this hypothesis I would like to ask: Has anyone found the death record of Carlos Lomelin in Nueva Galicia? Has anyone seen has his last will?
If not, it is also valid to think that the reason why these documents will never be found is because of the points mentioned above. The death record of that Carlos Lomelin explicitly says that he did not make a last will since he left all the instructions for the good care of his soul to his brother Juan Bautista. (This also indicates that his wife and children were not with him at the time)
Best,
Erik Reynoso.
Carlos Lomelin
I agree with your reasoning Erik.
The Carlos Lomelin that was married to Maria Benavides was said to be from a family associated with the slavery business. When I discoverered that Carlo Lomellini’s father was married to someone who was previously a slave, I thought that maybe the story had become twisted.
Two years ago I found that Carlo Lomellini’s father, Vicenzo Lomellin, was the head of the business, which included slavery, in San Lucar de Barrameda, and in partnership with other Lomellini family members. Stefano Marini was a business associate of Vicenzo Lomellini. Stefano Marini is the husband of Vicenzo’s aunt. I believe that Carlo Lomellini, son of Vicenzo Lomellini and Porzia, his wife, who had previously been a Muslim and his slave, is the same Carlos Lomelin that is married to Maria Benavides.
The findings also show that another ancestor of mine, Luis Marin, son of Francesco Marini and Marina Bernal Guillen, also descends from this Lomellini family as Francesco Marini is the son or grandson of Stefano Marini and his wife, who is the sister of Vicenzo’s father. I have seen secondary sources showing Giovani Marini as the father of Francesco Marini. If this is true, then Francesco was Stefano’s grandson and Giovani is the son of Stefano Marini.
Capitan Luis Marini is identified as descending from Stefano Marini and Vicenzo’s aunt. When they identify him as their descendant they mention that Stefano is head of the business.
Luciano Lomellini’s family was also associated with Vicenzo Lomellini’s business, but the lead person in this business was Vicenzo, with Stefano Marini as second in command. Later on, Stefano Marini was the lead person. After further thought, I don’t know who was in charge first. Stefano could have been in charge first and stepped aside and let Vicenzo take over while he stayed in the business under his leadership. It is clear that both men were strong leaders when they were in the leadership role.
Capitan Luis Marin’s wife, Maria Mendoza, was a close relative of Hernan Cortez’s second wife. This second wife had numerous Mendoza ancestors as her family tree shows multiple Mendoza branches coming together.
I would like to add that I believe Carlo Lomellini was born way before 1584, most likely at least 15 years before. I would place his birthdate as Between 1565 and 1570. If Carlo was born in 1565 then he would have been 83 in 1648. One of the reasons for giving him an earlier birthdate is the baptismal record of his mother. While it is possible that she conceived him in her later years, I find it more probable that she was younger when he was born.
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
Source: Mygenes2000
Juan Marin
Do you know what business this Juan Marin was in? Was it also slavery?
Danny
Juan Marin
Conquistador / Capitán Luis Marin and his wife Maria Mendoza have a son by the name of Juan Marin. My question on the other thread of the Marin De la Peña Losa is:
Is “Juan Marin” that married Elbira (Elvira) Juarez (Xuarez) de Peña Losa the same person as “Juan Marin “, son of Conquistador Capitan Luis Marin and Maria Mendoza? The dates and location fit, same age, same city.
Rick A. Ricci
Juan Marin
What year is your Juan Marin supposed to be born. Juan Marin married to Elvira Juarez had a child baptized in Mexico City in 1540 and another one in 1545, so he would've been born around 1520 I'm guessing. Also, he's listed as a silk merchant.
Danny
Lomeli brothers?
Hello Daniel
I have questioned whether Luis and Carlo were really brothers. If they were brothers than I have found their ancestors and posted their ancestry under the post wirh the parents of Carlo Lomellini(2) and Luciano Lomellini Spinola (2) in a post "are Carlos and Luis Lomeli brothers?" They are the only set of bothers in this time frame. If they are not brothers, than I name the most likely candidates as Carlo Lomellini(1) and Luciano Lomellini Spinola(1) and explain why they are the most likely candidates. Do you recall where we have read they were brothers? I do recall Jaime Holcombe stating that he believed they were brothers. I am trying to recall all the other sources.
Thanks for your help
R.A.Ricci
Lomeli brothers?
Hello Daniel
I have questioned whether Luis and Carlo were really brothers. If they were brothers than I have found their ancestors and posted their ancestry under the post wirh the parents of Carlo Lomellini(2) and Luciano Lomellini Spinola (2) in a post "are Carlos and Luis Lomeli brothers?" They are the only set of bothers in this time frame. If they are not brothers, than I name the most likely candidates as Carlo Lomellini(1) and Luciano Lomellini Spinola(1) and explain why they are the most likely candidates. Do you recall where we have read they were brothers? I do recall Jaime Holcombe stating that he believed they were brothers. I am trying to recall all the other sources.
Thanks for your help
R.A.Ricci
Carlos de Lomelin
The main branch of lomelini that went from genoa to Spain descend from Marco lomelini but this is not entirely accurate since other cousins lomelini also came over and intermarried with Marcos descendants. The lomelini were businessmen that moved around. There is a painting of lomelinis in a museum in Scotland. The men in the painting look just like the lomelinis from San Miguel el alto. a couple other lomelinis seem to predate Marcos but it looks as their families went Back to genoa or to their other palaces in Italy
They were very successful businessmen for the most part and many of them liked to monopolize whatever trade they were involved in. Their homes:/palaces are. NOw hotels
Rick a. Ricci
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On Apr 25, 2012, at 10:49 PM, 7shagzilla7@gmail.com wrote:
> I didnt catch that at first(Juan Baptista)....Its well known Carlos de Lomelin had a brother named Luis ,but I am not aware of a Juan Baptista.Ive read Lomellin was changed to Lomelin upon reaching Mexico...so it's left me a bit confused why this Carlos in Spain would be Lomelin instead of Lomellini. Im wondering if anyone who has done more research than me on Carlos Lomelin would happen to know if he died in Mexico or Spain and in what year. I haven't read anything on his death in my short time researching. Thanks, Alejandro Lomeli
Carlos de Lomelin
I forgot to add that the name change began in Spain and the branch that went to Portugal.
Ra Ricci
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On Apr 25, 2012, at 10:49 PM, 7shagzilla7@gmail.com wrote:
> I didnt catch that at first(Juan Baptista)....Its well known Carlos de Lomelin had a brother named Luis ,but I am not aware of a Juan Baptista.Ive read Lomellin was changed to Lomelin upon reaching Mexico...so it's left me a bit confused why this Carlos in Spain would be Lomelin instead of Lomellini. Im wondering if anyone who has done more research than me on Carlos Lomelin would happen to know if he died in Mexico or Spain and in what year. I haven't read anything on his death in my short time researching. Thanks, Alejandro Lomeli
Lomelin in Zapotlan (Zapotlanejo, Jal)
Juan Francisco Sanchez Alvarez
Check this link
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18571-12170-10?cc=1874591&wc…
Maria Josepha Lomelin death 1773
Juan Baptista Lomelin
Hello Claudia,
I would appreciate it very much of you can direct me to where I can find a copy or at least a transcription of the record that Carlos has a brother named Jaun Baptists Lomelin.
Thank you
R A Ricci