I posted a comment on the previous topic "Lope Ruiz de Esparza 'el menor' is the 3rd cousin to St. Francisco Javier de Jasso," but since it was from 2016, I'm creating a new topic. I recently joined Nuestros Ranchos with hopes of finding more about the Esparza family that originated in Pamplona, Spain, among other challenges. I ran into Nuestros Ranchos while searching for documentation that verifies what is posted on Family Search. Does someone know whether the book mentioned by Rick A. Ricci in the previous topic has been published. If nothing else, the posts here have given me new resources to investigate. I'm happy to share anything new that I might discover, but there's so much here, I don't know whether I'll find more than what's already been shared.
My tree created using Family Search is in my folder is at https://nuestrosranchos.org/lambchop48, but the names and dates, especially in the Esparza branch, change each time I look because of updates and merges completed, often without source documentation other than "family" or "facts." My goal is to be able to find and use source documents with correct names and dates, so the trees on Family Search will be accurate. Thanks for any assistance that can be offered.
Thanks Rick. I wish your book was published, so I'd have a more accurate understanding of the Ruiz De Esparza generations. I must have a duplicate Martin Ruiz de Esparza y Huici (Vici) attached to my tree. I need to locate the correct one! It would be helpful if you could give me the Family Search ID number of that record. Having that might, also, answer other questions. I'm thinking that there may be an extra generation of Lope Ruíz De Esparza on my tree, as it stands.
I read on a post from Nuestros Ranchos that Lope Ruíz De Esparza was NOT married to Ana Maria Diaz de Equino, although they did have a natural son who was the Lope Ruíz De Esparza who emigrated to the Indies in 1593. Was he also married to Maria De Caparroso Cruzat, or is Family Search correct that the Lope Ruíz De Esparza who was the father of Lope Ruíz De Esparza who emigrated to the Indies in 1593 was the son of Lope Ruíz De Esparza who was married to Maria De Caparroso Cruzat? From references I read, it seems he's the son of Lope Ruíz De Esparza who was married to Maria Espinosa. The birthdates, mostly estimated with no explanation, don't make sense for this to be the case. There's also the question of children which may be duplicated under both generations.
I'm mostly searching for accurate information on the generations prior 1593. As I mentioned, there's always changes being made on Family Search and many aren't explained or documented. Recently most of the Ruiz Esparza ancestors' names were changed to only Ruiz. I'm aware that in later generations some lines of the family only used Ruiz, but that doesn't make it correct to change the ancestor's name! I just finished correcting the changes using documented sources of the full name, but who knows whether they'll get changed again.
The men in Lope Ruiz de Esparza were much older for many generations and that is why it seems that someone is missing in the lines, but that isn’t so. The proof is in the legal documents that were left regarding inheritances and transfers of property. What I put in my post is accurate except for the part about the captain Andres being his brother. Capitan Andres was not a brother, not even a first cousin. He was a relative from another town not too far.
I repeat that there is not an extra generation!
The lineage that I provide is based on research and not made up. The mistake is in the familysearch line where they don’t have the mother as Maria Espinoza.
Rick A. Ricci
Thank you, Rick, for confirming my suspicion that there was NOT an extra generation of Lope Ruiz de Esparza. I'm gathering the documentation to support the merge and changes I need to do in Family Search in order to correct this error and, if it's not too much trouble, have a few additional questions.
- You mentioned that Family Search had posted Martin's third wife as the mother of Lope Ruiz de Esparza. Either that has been corrected, or the Martin Ruiz De Esparza Huichi LRS8-DZ4 that I have on my family tree is a different record. This record shows Martin's two wives; Augustina Landeros GQ7N-XSW and Maria Espinoza G36H-DWH b. 1490. Lope Ruiz de Esparza Espinoza GJF6-6N7 b. 1510 is the son of Martin and Maria Espinoza. Other children include Isabel, Pedro and Maria. Is this correct?
- Am I correct that Lope Ruiz Esparza (Espinosa) GJF6-6N7 b. 1510 had two wives; Maria de Caparroso Cruzat GBCP-4HH b.1533 & Isabel De Azcarraga y Leache GBZ9-XKX and a relationship with Ana Maria Diaz de Equino GV59-48W b. 1522, but they were NOT married? Lope Ruiz Esparza LRS3-71L b.1569 was the son of Lope & Ana Maria Diaz Equino.
- Who were the siblings of Lope Ruiz Esparza LRS3-71L b. 1569, son of Lope & Ana Maria Diaz Equino?
The record shows: Andres G1RX-61V b. 1542, Francisco LRM4-DZY b. 1576 & Pedro. There is no documentation, or explanation for Pedro, so I suspect that this entry is a duplicate of a Pedro who is the son of Lope & his wife Maria de Caparroso Cruzat.
You mentioned that Andres was not the brother of Lope Ruiz de Esparza Jr., but there is documentation for Andres that says "ANDRES RUÍZ DE ESPARZA DÍAZ, hijo de LOPE RUÍZ DE ESPARZA, natural de Pamplona; de edad de treinta e tres años”, 1575, “Relación de la gente para conquistar Costa Rica”. Consejo de Indias, Archivo General de Indias, Sevilla, España." I'm still trying to locate the reference document at http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/121720?nm
Then there's Francisco Ruiz de Esparza Diaz LRM4-DZY b. 1576. Do you know anything about a Francisco? I tried searching in Nuestros Ranchos and only find a Francisco b. 1828 mentioned. The only Reason for the creation of this record is GEDCOM data, so that doesn't prove anything. It just means that this person is entered in someone's family tree at another genealogy site. There's a flag on this record that says "The child's birth year is listed as occurring after the mother turned 52 which is normally after child bearing years." The question is whether 1522 is the correct birth year for Ana Maria Diaz Equino? The Reason stated for the birth year is "Considerando que tenía 20 años cuando nació su hijo Andrés." In otherwords, it's a guess. Ana Maria could have been as young as 16 when she had Andres (if Andres is correctly identified as her child) and not over child bearing age to have been the mother of Francisco.
Before making any of the Family Search changes that appear to be necessary, I'll be spending time at my local Family History Center in attempt to locate records that may answer some of my questions. If I find anything new, I will definitely share my discoveries on Nuestros Ranchos. Thank you for any information you can offer to answer my questions. My intent is to confirm that the information about my ancestors that I post and include in my tree is accurate.
Hello Dana and welcome to nuestrosranchos,
The answer is that my book isn’t published yet. And the answer to your other question about the Ruiz de Esparza ancestry on familysearch is that most of what they put is straight out of what I wrote here. But they have a big mistake as they put a wrong wife in The lineage. The wifes are the ones that I have posted here on nuestrosranchos.
Good luck in your research,
Rick A. Ricci
3). Martin Ruiz de Esparza y Huici (Vici), señor del palacio de Esparza (Galar), vecino de Pamplona and Maria de Espinosa (Spinosa) are the parents of Lope Ruiz de Esparza. On familysearch I see that they wrongly post Martins third wife as the mother of Lope Ruiz de Esparza Sr. The mistake that I had put in my previous post was when I added Mariano Gonzalez Leal’s mistake that Capitan Andres Ruiz de Esparza (b.1542) was a brother of Lope Ruiz de Esparza Jr. He is related but not a brother.
Rick A. Ricci
Family Search False Info