Ancestry.com online family trees

Primos,

Regards Ancestry.com online family trees:

I found out the hard way that if you share (by clicking share) on someone else's Tree's photos or photos of Catholic Church digital records that when that owner of that Tree deletes his/her own Tree, you lose all that data yourself.

It is better to copy/paste those photos into your own "picture file" and then upload them into your own Tree to permanently keep them.

Jose Carlos de Leon

Villalobos y Ximenez de Nochistlan

Hola a Todos
Por cuestiones de cambio de ciudad y trabajo estuve muy fuera del foro.
Les comparto que tengo un libro de la Genealogía de los Torres de Jaen(Gonzalo Torres Martínez), por si alguien requieren alguna información.
Me gustaría ver si me pudiesen ayudar a encontrar a los orígenes de los ascendientes de Juan Ysidro De Villalobos y Anna Ximenez ( que se casaron en Nochistlan el 11 de octubre de 1769). Tengo que los padres de Juan Ysidro son Francisco de Villalobos y María Carrillo y los de Anna (Creo que Joseph) Ximenez y María Rodríguez.
Gracias de antemano todas las enseñanzas compartidas en el foro.

Francisco Michel Ordones

I have found a major flaw in my tree. It seems I have fallen victim to the syndrome of "too many people with the same name." I somehow had combined Francisco Michel-Ordones (1), married to Michaela Lopez-Bueso, with Francisco Michel-Ordones (2), married to Manuela Lopez-Bueso and then to Lorenza Gertrudes Gonzales. My husband is a direct descendant of both of these men.

Francisco (1), was married to Michaela up to the time of his death in 1709:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18721-8269-65?cc=1874591&wc=…

I have 7 children listed for this couple: Maria (Directly descended), Dominga, Domingo, Juana, Ascencio, Ignacio, Regina. I haven't located a marriage for this couple nor can I verify their parents...although there are several possibilities. A strong possibility is that he is the brother of Thomas Michel-Ordones, father of Francisco (2).

Francisco (2), was born to Thomas Michel-Ordones and Augustina Escobar in 1694 in Autlan:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18561-19394-40?cc=1874591&wc…

was married to Manuela Lopez-Bueso until her death in 1742 in Sayula:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18571-57336-26?cc=1874591&wc…

I have 5 children listed for this couple: Maria de la Concepcion, Juan Matias, Thomas, Julio Feliciano, and Justa Maria.

Francisco (2) married in 1744 in Sayula:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18578-4484-49?cc=1874591&wc=…

This couple had at least 6 children: Maria Magdalena (directly descended), Bernardino Jose, Juan Marcelo, Agustin Maria, Josef Francisco, and Thomas.

I've spent hours sorting out these two people and their families, but now I can't seem to be left with a swirl of information. I would greatly appreciate if someone could provide a life-preserver...or at least a stick.

Thank you,
Deedra Corona

Real de El Carrizal

Hello...does anyone know where I can get more info regarding Reales?
I'm going through 1780 archives, and I'm coming up with towns called Real de (fill in blank). Many are now towns such as Real de La Yesca (where I'm presently researching) or Real de Bolaños. I can't seem to find Real de El Carrizal or Real de San Raphael.
I am noticing priests distinguishing between ciudades, pueblos, ranchos & haciendas.
Anyone know of a website or book that can fill me in?'

Cheers,
Andelmo

Introduction and information on Ysabel Macias

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum

I'm Danny and I've been researching my family for about a month. It started
as a school project but then I became really interested after it was over.
My Spanish teacher that's LDS was helping me read the records. I'm not sure
of the actual ranches that my familes ancestors are from, but they're
mostly on records from the Encarnacion de Diaz section of Family Search.
Ive traced my family to Ysabel Masias and Juan Antonio De Robalcaba married
in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico on May 27th 1764 but
the record wasn't readable, even by my teacher. Thank you for letting me be
in the forum and if the forum knows who Ysabel Masias's ancestors are
please tell me.

--
Danny C. Alonso

Research Digest, Vol 109, Issue 6

En Saltillo, Este jueves proximo, mañana 12 de febrero, se inicia un Taller
de genealogía y Paleografia en la Universidad Autónoma de Coahuila,
Camporredondo, Instituto de Enseñanza Abierta. (Tel: 4149285). De 18 a
19:30. Si puede lleve fotocopia de su propia acta de nacimiento.
Instructor:Miguel
Ángel Munoz Borrego .

Miguel Ángel Muñoz Borrego
844-1831158 celular
Saltillo, Coahuila, Mexico.

2015-02-11 17:08 GMT-06:00 :

What does C.M. mean?

Many thanks to all of you who replied to my question : Julieta, Emilie, and
Mario. I really appreciate the explanations. Muchas gracias.
Saludos,
Beverly

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1. Re: What does C. M. mean? (Emilie Garcia)
2. Re: Introduction and information on Ysabel Macias (Emilie Garcia)
3. Introduction and information on Ysabel Macias (Danny Alonso)
4. Introduction and information on Ysabel Macias (Danny Alonso)
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5. Re: What does C. M. mean? (Mario Gonzalez)
6. Introduction and information on Ysabel Macias (IChristopher)
7. Re: What does C. M. mean? (julievalens@bluewin.ch)
8. Introduction and information on Ysabel Macias (Danny Alonso)

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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 17:26:05 -0800
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To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
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Ciudadano means "citizen", but in Mexico, what was a "mexicano"? I guess it
meant a mestizo? Otherwise he would be "indio" and not "espanol"?. I'm
confused.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

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> C M = Ciudadano Mexicano
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> 2015-02-06 22:44 GMT-06:00 Beverly Ewald :
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> > I have recently come across some baptismal records that have the
> > infant's names, followed by the initials C. M. Can anyone tell me what
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That’s because people don’t snip the tails off their emails before responding. Extremely confusing for those of us who get the digest. And inconsiderate.

Linda

Recording Latitude/Longtitude Coordinates of places for future descendants

One of the places that disappear are cemetaries. I have been asking around where the old cemetaries during colonial times were in our villages. Some people don't know and others have said that it is at a place where now a Church, rodeo or other structures exists today.

I would like to get a device or Garmin Etrex that gives you latitude and longtitude coordinates of the very spot you are at. So as to note it down. For in case of descendants in the future that do geneology research and want to locate certain spots. The coordinates would give the precise spot.

Introduction and information on Ysabel Macias (Danny Alonso)

Thank you sir for the additional ancestors. Is this the wedding of Ysabel
Macias's parents

Name: Joseph Manuel Macias
Spouse's
Name: Maria Josepha De Aguilar
Event Date: 01 Oct
1762 Event
Place: El Sagrario,Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes,Mexico
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60485-1

, System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 299828

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Danny C. Alonso

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> I'm Danny and I've been researching my family for about a month. It started
> as a school project but then I became really interested after it was over.
> My Spanish teacher that's LDS was helping me read the records. I'm not sure
> of the actual ranches that my familes ancestors are from, but they're
> mostly on records from the Encarnacion de Diaz section of Family Search.
> Ive traced my family to Ysabel Masias and Juan Antonio De Robalcaba married
> in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico on May 27th 1764 but
> the record wasn't readable, even by my teacher. Thank you for letting me be
> in the forum and if the forum knows who Ysabel Masias's ancestors are
> please tell me.
>
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> Danny C. Alonso
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Looking for direct male descendant of Diego ROMO son of Diego ROMO DE VIVAR

Looking for direct male descendant of Diego ROMO (abt. 1630) son of Diego ROMO DE VIVAR (1589-1650) with family tree showing direct male connections.

Also looking for any direct male descendants of Diego's male siblings, which as far as I know are:

Juan ROMO (Abt. 1632)
Pedro ROMO (b.1632 Ags, Mx)
Geronimo ROMO
Francisco ROMO (Abt. 1644)

Please feel free to correct any of my dates or information.

I am a direct descendant of Diego ROMO DE VIVAR (1589-1650) and would like to connect my research. If you have had your yDNA tested it would be great. If not, I'm willing to pay for your yDNA to be tested.

Thanks primos!

Graciana Corona

Dear members,

Concerning the marriage of Joseph Lopez de Andrade to Ana Gomes de Aguirre:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18522-1198-15?cc=1874591&wc=…

the record says Joseph was the widower of Graciana Gonzalez. When I looked through my database, I realized this was Graciana González-Corona (aka Graciana Corona), the daughter of Hernán/Fernán González-Corona and Juana de Betancur. There is the Betancur last name again! Graciana was baptized 10 Sep 1662 in Autlán, and she was later married to Joseph Lopez de Andrade on 6 Jun 1677 also in Autlán.

Baptism
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18561-21829-37?cc=1874591&wc…

Marriage
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18522-1227-29?cc=1874591&wc=…
There are two reasons I wanted to post this. 1) It gives Graciana an estimated death date of 1699, 2) the Betancor last name is tied up here again (given my recent post on the Isabel Ruiz topic), and 3) Joseph married Ana Gomez de Aguirre, who may have been related to Isabel Gomez and María Gomez de Aguirre (see my post from today on Isabel Ruiz

Cheers!

Sergio

Haciento De Hermanos Cofrades 1802 Huejuquilla Juan Benancio Madera my GGG Grandfather on list

I found a document where "Hacientos De Hermanos Cofrades" 1802 of Huejuquilla. My Great Great Great Grandfather Juan Benancio Madera is on the list and paid 2 pesos. He was 40 years old at that time:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/bi9yl1.jpg

The source in LDS Website: Pg 473 of Bautismos of Huejuquilla (1817 - 1823) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18432-14154-80?cc=1874591&wc…

Is that a "membership fee"? Or is it a tax that the landowners paid?

Because I was reading this book online called, "Mexico's Merchant Elite 1590 - 1660 Silver, State and Society and I found this comment that says "Asiento a collection from farmers" http://oi57.tinypic.com/5prm8i.jpg You can read the book online at:

http://books.google.com.mx/books?id=ZEtgrluCM9YC&pg=PA299&lpg=PA299&dq=…

FW: Somos Primos February 2015

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Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 10:54 PM
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Subject: Somos Primos February 2015

http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2015/spfeb15/spfeb15.htm

Dear Primos, Friends, and Readers:

Recently, as I was finishing up the February article I got a telephone from Colorado artist, Eddie Martinez. His Cuauhtémoc,the Last Warrior King is on the front page of the February issue of Somos Primos. The link will take you to Part 2, "Walking the streets of Spain while sketching and listening for voices from the past."

Eddie shared his plans for him and his wife to travel to San Antonio, New Orleans, Pensacola, and St. Augustine to sketch, photograph, and record evidence of the earliest of Spanish presence in the United States in those locations. The goal,walking the streets of the United States, seeking early historical evidence of the Spanish presence, listening for those voices.
After we got off the phone, I started thinking of Eddie's selfless dedication and the dedication of many Hispanics, who individually are making huge contribution in presenting the truth about our ancestors.
All together our efforts are changing popular/preferred history with facts. The changes are through sharing and honoring the histories of our ancestors and the many heroes who have fought for our right to be included in the history of the United States. Our history is the history of the United States.
You will read in this issue many, many heritage project happening, projects headed by individuals and groups, with an endless expressions of sharing who we are . . . observing special historic dates with parades and community events, cemetery restorations, families and military statues, history and genealogy conferences, writing and oral history projects, restoration and site preservation, cultural events, lectures, class room visits, reenactors, historical plaques, books, articles, exhibits, murals, presentations, newspaper columnists . .
most importantly, they are activities of our history . . . told by us.
I hope as you read these stories and articles, you will be inspired with a project that you can engage in . . . your family and your history matter.
God bless you and your family, Mimi
www.SomosPrimos.com

TABLE OF CONTENTS

UNITED STATES
Clips from 1970 July 4th TV special, hosted by John Wayne Why Is Hollywood Only Making One Film About Latinos in 2015? by Adam Hofbauer Gina Rodriguez Wins The Golden Globe for Best Actress in a Comedy by Yvonne Villarreal SACNAS and "Spare Parts" movie by JV Martinez About Dr. Jose "JV" Vergara Martinez - Physicist A Renaissance of Hispanic Culture by Dr. Lino García The Star by Daisy Wanda Garcia Introduction to Construction Work Is Getting More Deadly, But Only For Latinos by David Noriega If you tell a lie often enough eventually it will be accepted as fact by Dan Arellano Harry Truman was a different kind of President.
Suggested money saving cuts from the National Budget

HERITAGE PROJECTS
Walking the streets of Spain while sketching and listening for voices from the past,
Part 2, Sevilla by Eddie Martinez, edited and translated in Spanish by Viola Rodriguez Sadler Oral history project: The Mexican side of Colton, California Equestrian statue of Bernardo de Galvez in Menard Park, Galveston Texas Statue of Col. José de Escandón y Helguera Descendant of rancho family seeks to mark historic graves by Martha Groves Chicano History Week (Feb 2-8) Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo
31 Rolls of Undeveloped Film Shot by an Unknown WW2 Soldier Latinos, the Voting Right Act and Political Engagement José Joaquín de Arrillaga (1750-1814) Gravesite Renovation

HISTORIC TIDBITS
January 9th, 1836 -- Frontier icon Crockett loses election, heads for Alamo January 26th, 1839 -- Republic passes homestead law, sets aside land for education The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, February 2, 1848 by Dan Arellano English Policy in the New World: Plantation Settlements by Mimi Lozano

HISPANIC LEADERS
Peter Chacon: California Assemblyman and Educator, June 10, 1925 – December 14, 2014 Reies López Tijerina: Indo-Hispano Activist, September 21, 1926 - January 19, 2015 Michele Serros: Author, Poet, Comedic social commentator, February 10,
1966 - January 4, 2015

SURNAMES
The Royal Family of the Canary Islands by John Inclan

DNA
Many Whites Today Would Have Been Classified as Black in the 1940s by Annalee Newitz European Ancestors hailed from three different groups Asian Native American Dogs

FAMILY HISTORY
Rootstech Conference, February 12–14, 2015, Salt Lake City, Utah Find the right family history app for the job with the new FamilySearch App Gallery Top 50 Resources: Genealogy by Barry Newsletter

EDUCATION
The Condition of Latinos in Education: 2015 Factbook The Preuss School, UCSD, #1 Transformative High School in the Nation Walt Disney Company, Scholarships to Top Hispanic Students Nationwide Achievement First Global Latino Education Advocacy Days Summit, March 26, 2015 Future History Makers Award Application and Criteria Ryan Ruelas, One of the 100 2014 Influencer in Orange County, CA Education – The Recipe for Success by José Antonio López Free Texas Almanac Teacher’s Guide has

Juan Francisco Reyes 1747

​Francisco Reyes who accompanied the Portola party to discover Monterey, Alta California was born in 1747 in a small village called Zapotlan el Grande in the State of Jalisco, Mexico. (Today it is a city named Cuidad Guzman) His father was Juan Jose Dias and his mother was Gertrudis Reyes. It is unclear to us why he used the Reyes name when he journeyed to Alta California.

We have Reyes marriage investigation, signed by Padre Serra. After serving as a soldier protecting Serra in Carmel, Reyes was assigned to the SB Presidio to fulfill his period of enlistment. He retired to Pueblo de Los Angeles where he served twice as Alcade. Reyes was the recipient of a Spanish Land Grant called Encino. It encompassed today's Encino, but also contained the entire San Fernando Valley. As with all European land grants, when the Crown wanted his Rancho back to be given for a Mission at San Fernando, the land was.....reluctantly.....returned. Reyes was given a substitute land grant rancho called Lompoc.

As part of La Senora's Rancho Descendants outreach, we have traced his descendants through five generations. We are now seeking information on his ancestors and on his activities in Mexico---most likely in the shipyards -- during the period in which the Alta California exploration ships were being readied for the journey. La Senora is devoted to research and education on the Cultural Heritage of these individuals so it's not just genealogical information we seek.

After Independence, Reyes grandson Ysidro Reyes (a young vintner in the Pueblo) and a friend Francisco Marquez (operator of the large blacksmith shop in the Pueblo) moved to Rancho Boca de Santa Monica in 1839 when they received that Mexican Land Grant. We will post DNA info from Francisco Reyes great, great, great grandson (the Historian for La Senora Research Institute and Rancho Boca de Santa Monica) and will be delighted if someone can help us to understand what these tests mean. Ernest Marquez is the great grandson of both Ysidro Reyes and Francisco Marquez as the two land grant families intermarried.

FW: The Basque connection to New Mexican Families (Haplogroup R1b1)

From: Angel R. Cervantes [mailto:angelrcervantes@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 9:07 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: The Basque connection to New Mexican Families (Haplogroup R1b1)

Hello,

I would like to invite you to attend a lecture on the Basque connection to New Mexican Families (Haplogroup R1b1). If you would like to learn more about the mark this ancient civilization made on the Iberian Peninsula then this presentation is for you. There will be a presentation on the subject on February 20, at 3:30 PM, through the University of New Mexico Continuing Education program.

Here is a link to sign up for the presentation:

http://newmexico.augusoft.net/index.cfm?method=ClassInfo.ClassInformati… &int_class_id=67463

Best Regards,

Ángel de Cervantes
Project Administrator
New Mexico DNA Project
Iberian Peninsula DNA Project

P.S. For more information contact Angel