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Hello list,
I joined this group several weeks back and have enjoyed reading your postings since then. My name is Michael Lopez, I live in San Diego County, I am recently retired and have decided to search for some genealogical history on my parents now that I have the time. My family of origin was "different" than most families in the sense that my parents came to America without any other family and never went back. Hence, I grew up without ever meeting any grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. My children gave me a xmas gift of participating in National Geographic's genographic project and I have become fascinated with the whole idea of genealogy and DNA. In any event here is what I know about my mother. Maria de Jesus Bravo was born in 1906 at a small ranchito named El Zapote, which was located about a mile or so outside the small village of La Ribera, Jalisco. La Rivera Jalisco is immediately adjacent to Yurecuaro, Michoacan and are separated by the Rio Lerma. So while mom
was born on the Jalisco side of the Rio Lerma, I think she was baptized in the Michoacan side at Yurecuaro. Mother's father was named Ladislao Bravo and her mother was named Maria ( Margarita?) Tinoco. Mom's maternal grandmother was named Estefania Rizo. My mother had 3 sisters whose names were Juana, Carmen and Luisa. She had one brother named Trinidad who married someone also named Trinidad. The families from El Zapote were "concentrated" to La Ribera during the Cristiada and I believe they remained there for most, perhaps all of their lives. My uncle Trinidad was killed during the Cristiada leaving a widow and (I think) one young son. I look forward to receiving your comments/suggestions/etc. I would like to thank Alicia of your group for the sincere encouragement she gave me to write this posting.
Michael

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Saludos Mike,

welcome to the group and please do ask your questions. Now I haven't
looked into it and can't say one way or the other if your mom was
baptized in Jalisco or Michoacan, but it makes sense if that was the
closest place where she would have been taken. Now mind you if you go
and get some of these films and it turns out that your mom doesn't turn
up in the records just buckle up and keep searching in the next closest
location that has records. Anyway here are the films you can order from
your closest Family History Center there in San Diego. As always if any
of this is unclear just ask your specific questions. . .who knows but
someone might know the answer:

Title
Registros parroquiales, 1768-1932

Authors
Iglesia Católica. Santa María (Yurécuaro, Michoacán) (Main Author)

Notes
Microfilme de manuscritos en el archivo de la parroquia y el archivo
diocesano de Zamora.
Microfilmes de 16 mm. son de reducción alta (42x).
Catholic parish registers of baptisms, confirmations, marriages,
marriage petitions, and deaths from Yurécuaro, Michoacán, Mexico.

Subjects
México, Michoacán, Yurécuaro - Church records

Format
Manuscript (On Film)

Language
Spanish

Publication
Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmados por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah,
1965-2002

Physical
en 34 carretes de microfilme ; 35 mm., 16 mm.

Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
Bautismos 1768-1778 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706427 ]
Bautismos 1778-1802 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706428 ]
Bautismos 1790-1814 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706429 ]
Bautismos 1806-1844 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706430 ]
Bautismos 1844-1858 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706431 ]
Bautismos 1858-1879 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706432 ]
Bautismos 1879-1889 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706433 ]
Bautismos 1889-1899 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706434 ]
Bautismos 1899-1908 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706435 ]<----------------------
Confirmaciones 1869-1914 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706436 ]
Matrimonios 1768-1788,1791-1868 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706437 ]
Matrimonios 1868-1920 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706438 ]
Información matrimonial 1778-1780 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706439 ]
Información matrimonial 1780-1783 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706440 ]
Información matrimonial 1783-1785,1787-1790 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706441 ]
Información matrimonial 1790-1804 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706442 ]
Información matrimonial 1793-1802 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706443 ]
Información matrimonial 1802-1818 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706444 ]
Información matrimonial 1854-1864,1867-1870 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706445 ]
Información matrimonial 1870-1878 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706446 ]
Información matrimonial 1878-1885 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706447 ]
Información matrimonial 1885-1893 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706448 ]
Información matrimonial 1893-1897 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706449 ]
Información matrimonial 1897-1902 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706450 ]
Información matrimonial 1903-1905 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706451 ]
Defunciones 1768-1785 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706452 ]
Defunciones 1785-1834 - FHL INTL Film [ 706453 ]
Defunciones 1824-1865 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706454 ]
Defunciones 1865-1890 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706455 ]
Defunciones 1890-1904 - VAULT INTL Film [ 706456 ]
Bautismos v. 22-31 1908-1931 (v. 26 incluye 9 páginas de actas de la
capellanía de Monteleón de 1914) - VAULT INTL Film [ 1855674 Items 1-10 ]
Confirmaciones v. 1-2 1922-1925 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1855674 Items 11-12 ]
Matrimonios v. 8-9 1920-1932 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1855674 Items 13-14 ]
Informaciones matrimoniales 1905-1911 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1855674 Items
15-16 ]
Informaciones matrimoniales v. 34-44 1911-1924 - VAULT INTL Film [
1855675 ]
Informaciones matrimoniales v. 45-47 1924-1928, 1930 - VAULT INTL Film
[ 1855676 Items 1-3 ]
Defunciones 1904-1926 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1855676 Item 4 ]
Información matrimonial 1872, 1916, 1917, 1922, 1923-1926 - FHL INTL
Film [ 2244715 Items 14 - 15 ]

© 2002 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.

Mike Bernard Lopez wrote:

>Hello list,
> I joined this group several weeks back and have enjoyed reading your postings since then. My name is Michael Lopez, I live in San Diego County, I am recently retired and have decided to search for some genealogical history on my parents now that I have the time. My family of origin was "different" than most families in the sense that my parents came to America without any other family and never went back. Hence, I grew up without ever meeting any grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. My children gave me a xmas gift of participating in National Geographic's genographic project and I have become fascinated with the whole idea of genealogy and DNA. In any event here is what I know about my mother. Maria de Jesus Bravo was born in 1906 at a small ranchito named El Zapote, which was located about a mile or so outside the small village of La Ribera, Jalisco. La Rivera Jalisco is immediately adjacent to Yurecuaro, Michoacan and are separated by the Rio Lerma. So while mom
> was born on the Jalisco side of the Rio Lerma, I think she was baptized in the Michoacan side at Yurecuaro. Mother's father was named Ladislao Bravo and her mother was named Maria ( Margarita?) Tinoco. Mom's maternal grandmother was named Estefania Rizo. My mother had 3 sisters whose names were Juana, Carmen and Luisa. She had one brother named Trinidad who married someone also named Trinidad. The families from El Zapote were "concentrated" to La Ribera during the Cristiada and I believe they remained there for most, perhaps all of their lives. My uncle Trinidad was killed during the Cristiada leaving a widow and (I think) one young son. I look forward to receiving your comments/suggestions/etc. I would like to thank Alicia of your group for the sincere encouragement she gave me to write this posting.
> Michael
>
>
>
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Mike,
Thanks for your posting, you did pretty good for a novice. Based on the geographical information you provided, I went to www.fallingrain.com/world and found La Rivera on the world map. You too can do it, go to the website, click on Mexico≥find the letter L≥, LA≥, scroll and find La Rivera Jalisco. It will show you the nearest towns and their distance from La Rivera also the nearest airport You will also find that it is now the rainy season. The graph shows the precipitation within the last week. Many thanks to Kitty Cortez who has provided us with this link. Perhaps when you are ready to begin ordering films, knowing this geographical data will be useful in your search.

Welcome Mike, you are now embarked on a fantastic journey that will consume much of your time and thoughts and will be sooo rewarding.

Bienvenido,
Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
San Jose, Ca

The map you sent is very good and helps me to refine my question in which La
Estancia my grandfather Jose Pedro Rodriguez was born.

There are 4 La Estancias listed in the map. On page 112 of Clotilde
Quiralte's book on Nochistlan she identifies 3 as La Estancia de los
Delgadillos, La Estancia de los Xaureguis, and La Estancia de los Lomelines.
All 3 names appear as common ancestors in my grandfather's tree as they do
in my grandmother's tree.

My grandfather was born on February 17, 1883.

How do I find out in which La Estancia my grandfather was born?

Sincerely,

Charles Clark

From: Charles Clark cclark98@pacbell.net

My grandfather was born on February 17, 1883.
How do I find out in which La Estancia my grandfather was born?
Charles Clark

Charles,

My advice is to find some of your grandfather's siblings if he had any and see what their documents say in terms of place of birth or baptism. Also have you found or searched for their parents. Many times when you put all the documents together as in all the childrens' birth records as well as the marriage records, they lead you to a common place/rancho/estancia for all as most people stayed within the same area or region for several generations.

Hope this helps,
Alicia

I found a document listing the name Rancho Zapote more than 60 times (La Ley Orgánica de división territorial de Michoacán - 20 de julio de 1909,) obviously not all referring to the same ranch, but to different ones with similar names.

I am afraid that name by itself will be of little help, and maybe will even confuse you.

My own grandfather was born in rancho El Zapote de San Ignacio in Yurecuaro.

If you google Rancho El Zapote you will currently find three ranchos with that same name. There is one near La Piedad but with so many in the past, even that one I doubt is my grandfather's.

I am also researching rancho El Zapote. I first thought my ancestors owned it, but there is a list of peones and mediadores which included three of my family surnames, which might be a clue that they simply worked the land, but did not own it.

Google Monografía del Municipio de Yurécuaro Michoacán and look for that list.

If your ancestor is listed there, it might be useful information.

Welcome to NuestrosRanchos Michael,
I was raised in San Diego (Point Loma). We lived there from 1945 to 1962, until my parents moved "up North," to Oakland.

Have you gotten your DNA test results, what's your haplogroup?

Pat Silva Corbera

Mike Bernard Lopez wrote:
Hello list,
I joined this group several weeks back and have enjoyed reading your postings since then. My name is Michael Lopez, I live in San Diego County, I am recently retired and have decided to search for some genealogical history on my parents now that I have the time. My family of origin was "different" than most families in the sense that my parents came to America without any other family and never went back. Hence, I grew up without ever meeting any grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. My children gave me a xmas gift of participating in National Geographic's genographic project and I have become fascinated with the whole idea of genealogy and DNA. In any event here is what I know about my mother. Maria de Jesus Bravo was born in 1906 at a small ranchito named El Zapote, which was located about a mile or so outside the small village of La Ribera, Jalisco. La Rivera Jalisco is immediately adjacent to Yurecuaro, Michoacan and are separated by the Rio Lerma. So while mom
was born on the Jalisco side of the Rio Lerma, I think she was baptized in the Michoacan side at Yurecuaro. Mother's father was named Ladislao Bravo and her mother was named Maria ( Margarita?) Tinoco. Mom's maternal grandmother was named Estefania Rizo. My mother had 3 sisters whose names were Juana, Carmen and Luisa. She had one brother named Trinidad who married someone also named Trinidad. The families from El Zapote were "concentrated" to La Ribera during the Cristiada and I believe they remained there for most, perhaps all of their lives. My uncle Trinidad was killed during the Cristiada leaving a widow and (I think) one young son. I look forward to receiving your comments/suggestions/etc. I would like to thank Alicia of your group for the sincere encouragement she gave me to write this posting.
Michael

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Hi Pat,
Thanks 4 the welcome note! Yes, I have received the dna results. I have been classified as Haplogroup R1b1c subject to an additional 3 SNP's that they have not obtained as yet (FTDNA). That in itself was most surprizing.
Thanks again,
Michael

Patricia Corbera wrote:
Welcome to NuestrosRanchos Michael,
I was raised in San Diego (Point Loma). We lived there from 1945 to 1962, until my parents moved "up North," to Oakland.

Have you gotten your DNA test results, what's your haplogroup?

Pat Silva Corbera

Mike Bernard Lopez wrote:
Hello list,
I joined this group several weeks back and have enjoyed reading your postings since then. My name is Michael Lopez, I live in San Diego County, I am recently retired and have decided to search for some genealogical history on my parents now that I have the time. My family of origin was "different" than most families in the sense that my parents came to America without any other family and never went back. Hence, I grew up without ever meeting any grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. My children gave me a xmas gift of participating in National Geographic's genographic project and I have become fascinated with the whole idea of genealogy and DNA. In any event here is what I know about my mother. Maria de Jesus Bravo was born in 1906 at a small ranchito named El Zapote, which was located about a mile or so outside the small village of La Ribera, Jalisco. La Rivera Jalisco is immediately adjacent to Yurecuaro, Michoacan and are separated by the Rio Lerma. So while mom
was born on the Jalisco side of the Rio Lerma, I think she was baptized in the Michoacan side at Yurecuaro. Mother's father was named Ladislao Bravo and her mother was named Maria ( Margarita?) Tinoco. Mom's maternal grandmother was named Estefania Rizo. My mother had 3 sisters whose names were Juana, Carmen and Luisa. She had one brother named Trinidad who married someone also named Trinidad. The families from El Zapote were "concentrated" to La Ribera during the Cristiada and I believe they remained there for most, perhaps all of their lives. My uncle Trinidad was killed during the Cristiada leaving a widow and (I think) one young son. I look forward to receiving your comments/suggestions/etc. I would like to thank Alicia of your group for the sincere encouragement she gave me to write this posting.
Michael

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