Joseph,

Thank you very much for the information. According to the "Census Records
for Latin America..." by Lyman D. Platt, the "Padrón de Aguascalientes de
1792" is at the Archivo General de la Nación in Mexico City. The microfilm
is listed at FamilySearch under Padrones de México, 1752-1865 México.
Dirección General de Estadística. Ramo de Padrones. FHL INTL Film No.
1520345 Vol. 4, 1800, 1792 Vol 5-6 and possibly Film 1520346 1792 Vol. 6-7,
1791 Vol. 8. I will order the first one from Salt Lake City when our local
FHC reopens next week.

Hope your Christmas was a happy and peaceful one. Again, thank you very
much for your assistance.

Bill

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Puentes"
To:
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Aguascalientes: Books by Gutiérrez
Gutiérrez, José Antonio

> Bill you are probably already familiar with this info but have a look in
> the files-->Books and Articles-->Census Records for Latin America by
> Lyman Platt-->http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15262
>
> for some info from Dr. Platt's book on Latin American Census records.
> Look at the Aguas pages 1-4 in two parts for info on the 1792 census.
>
> joseph
>
> ===================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
>
> Bill Figueroa wrote:
>> Joseph,
>>
>> That is exactly the book I have ("Padrón parroquial de Aguascalientes,
>> 1770"). I also have a copy of the "padrón parroquial" of 1648. What I'm
>> looking for is the "Padron de Aguascalientes of 1792" (notice that this
>> version is not "parroquial" or of religious nature). As far as I know,
>> it
>> has NOT been published in book form. Also, it should be more complete
>> than
>> the 1770 version, as it not only includes names and addresses, but place
>> of
>> origin, age and occupation of persons living in Aguascalientes in 1792.
>>
>> Best regards and Marry Christmas,
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>>> in Aguascalientes
>>>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joseph Puentes"
>> To:
>> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 5:00 AM
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Aguascalientes: Books by Gutiérrez Gutiérrez,
>> José Antonio
>>
>>
>>
>>> If you live close to MA or NJ or if they are willing to do an ILL here
>>> is the info on the Padrón parroquial de Aguascalientes, 1770
>>>
>>> Bill is this the same book you own?
>>>
>>> joseph
>>>
>>> ==================================
>>>
>>> Location Library Code
>>> US,MA UNIV OF MASSACHUSETTS AMHERST AUM
>>> US,NJ PRINCETON UNIV PUL
>>>
>>> Title: Padrón parroquial de Aguascalientes, 1770 /
>>> Author(s): Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio,; 1936-
>>> Corp Author(s): Archivo Histórico del Estado de Aguascalientes.
>>> Publication: [Aguascalientes, Mexico] : Archivo Histórico de
>>> Aguascalientes,
>>> Year: 2001
>>> Description: 306 p. : ill. ; 22 cm.
>>> Language: Spanish
>>> SUBJECT(S)
>>> Descriptor: Church records and registers -- Mexico --
>>> Aguascalientes.
>>> Parishes -- Mexico -- Aguascalientes -- History -- Sources.
>>> Geographic: Aguascalientes (Mexico) -- Population -- History --
>>> Sources.
>>> Aguascalientes (Mexico) -- History -- Sources.
>>> Class Descriptors: LC: CD3678.A2
>>> Responsibility: estudio introductorio del Dr. José Antonio Gutiérrez
>>> Gutiérrez.
>>> Document Type: Book
>>> Entry: 20060628
>>> Update: 20060628
>>> Accession No: OCLC: 70203331
>>> Database: WorldCat
>>>
>>> ===========================
>>>
>>> other books by Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio
>>>
>>> 1. Book Los Altos de Jalisco :
>>> panorama histórico de una región y de su sociedad hasta 1821 /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>>> Publication: México, D.F. : Consejo Nacional para la Cultura y las
>>> Artes, 1991
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 39
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 2. Book Historia de la Iglesia católica en Aguascalientes /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>>> Publication: México : [Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes], 1999-?
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 28
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 3. Book Colección de documentos para la historia de la Diócesis de
>>> Aguascalientes /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio,
>>> Publication: [Aguascalientes] : Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes :
>>> Obispado de Aguascalientes ; [Guadalajara] : Universidad de Guadalajara,
>>> 1999-
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 25
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 4. Book Aguascalientes y su región de influencia hasta 1810 :
>>> sociedad y política /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>>> Publication: [Guadalajara, Mexico?] : Sistema de Educación Media
>>> Superior de la Universidad de Guadalajara : Amigos de la Historia de los
>>> Altos de Jalisco, 1998
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 16
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 5. Book Infundios contra San Cristóbal de las Casas :
>>> condiciones sociales de los indígenas en esta ciudad /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>>> Publication: México, D.F. : Miguel Ángel Porrúa ; [Chiapas, México?] :
>>> Fundación Chiapaneca Colosio, 1996
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 14
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 6. Book La labor social de la Iglesia Católica en Aguascalientes /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>>> Publication: Aguascalientes, Ags. : Instituto Cultural de
>>> Aguascalientes, 1997
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 9
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 7. Book Jalostotitlán a través de los siglos /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>>> Publication: [Aguascalientes, Mexico] : Comisión Editorial, Universidad
>>> Autónoma de Aguascalientes ; [Guadalajara, Mexico] : Universidad de
>>> Guadalajara : Acento Editores : Amate Editorial, 1985-2005
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 9
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 8. Book El siervo de Dios, monseñor José de Jesús López y González
>>> /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>>> Publication: [Aguascalientes] : Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes,
>>> 2003
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 8
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 9. Book Decires y contradicciones de un caudillo insurgente :
>>> P. Pablo José Calvillo (1772-1816), del Valle de Huajúcar, hoy Calvillo,
>>> Aguascalientes /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-; González Pérez,
>>> Cándido.
>>> Publication: [Guadalajara, Mexico] : Centro Universitario de los Altos,
>>> Universidad de Guadalajara, 1997
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 7
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 10. Book Jalostotitlán a través de los siglos /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>>> Publication: [Guadalajara] : Universidad de Guadalajara ;
>>> [Aguascalientes] : Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes ; Guad. Jal.
>>> [i.e. Guadalajara] : Acento Editores, 2001-2005
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 7
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> Book Pinceladas históricas acatiquenses /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-; González Pérez,
>>> Cándido.; González Pérez, Ana Rosa.
>>> Publication: [México : s.n., 1997
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 6
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 12. Book El pasado en el presente de Ocampo /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>>> Publication: [Mexico] : Municipio de Ocampo, Gto. : Instituto Estatal de
>>> la Cultura : Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes, 2000
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 4
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 13. Book Pinceladas históricas acatiquenses /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-; González Pérez,
>>> Cándido.; González Pérez, Ana Rosa.
>>> Publication: México : [s.n.], 1998
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 4
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 14. Book Historia de la Iglesia Católica en Aguascalientes /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>>> Publication: [Aguascalientes] : Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes :
>>> Obispado de Aguascalientes ; [Guadalajara] : Universidad de Guadalajara,
>>> 1999-2003
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 4
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 15. Book Los cuadernos de visita del laguense Mateo José de
>>> Arteaga a 17 pueblos del sur de Jalisco en 1767 /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio,
>>> Publication: [Guadalajara] : Universidad de Guadalajara, 1999
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 3
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 16. Book Padrón parroquial de Aguascalientes, 1770 /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio,
>>> Publication: [Aguascalientes, Mexico] : Archivo Histórico de
>>> Aguascalientes, 2001
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 2
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 17. Book Los Gutiérrez de la Media Hanega de Xalostotitlán : los
>>> orígenes /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936- Publication: [Altos de
>>> Jalisco] : Amigos de la Historia de los Altos de Jalisco, 1900s
>>> Document: Spanish : Book Archival Material Archival Material
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 1
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 18. Book Cuadro general estadístico de San Miguel de los Alcalanes
>>> :
>>> 1879 edición oficial /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio,; Martínez Saldaña, Tomás.
>>> Publication: [Guadalajara] : Centro Universitario de los Altos, 1997,
>>> 1879
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 1
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill Figueroa wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everybody. We drifted away from the original question (below)
>>>> before
>>>> an
>>>> answer was provided. Please let me know if you have any information or
>>>> know
>>>> how to get a copy of the Padrón de Población de Aguascalientes of 1792.
>>>>
>>>> According to the book by Jesús Gómez Serrano "Los españoles en
>>>> Aguascalientes durante la época colonial", in 1792 visiting dignitary
>>>> José
>>>> Menéndez Valdés compiled a population census of the district of
>>>> Guadalajara,
>>>> which underlines the importance that Aguascalientes had as a final
>>>> destination for many Spanish and Portuguese immigrants. Along the same
>>>> lines, the local "padrón de población" compiled by Félix Calleja in
>>>> 1792,
>>>> confirms the data gathered by Menéndez Valdés and includes the name,
>>>> origin, age and occupation of european immigrants or "españoles" that
>>>> lived
>>>> in Aguascalientes.
>>>>
>>>> I believe that the "Padron de Aguascalientes of 1792" can be a useful
>>>> tool
>>>> for those of us doing genealogical research. Although I am interested
>>>> in
>>>> several families who lived in Aguascalientes at that time, the most
>>>> important for me is the family of my 4th great-grandparents Vicente
>>>> Ruiz
>>>> de
>>>> Esparza and Rafaela Trillo y Delgado (his 2nd wife). According to the
>>>> "Padrón de Aguascalientes of 1770", Vicente and his first wife
>>>> Catharina
>>>> de
>>>> Orosco y Ralla lived in a house located on "Calle de la Merced" with
>>>> their
>>>> 24-year old son Joseph Cayetano Ruiz de Esparza. After his first wife
>>>> died
>>>> in 1775, Vicente remarried and had four sons from his second marriage,
>>>> among
>>>> them my 3rd. great-grandfather Francisco Antonio Abad Ruiz de Esparza,
>>>> born
>>>> in Aguascalientes in 1781. Both Vicente Ruiz de Esparza and Rafaela
>>>> Trillo
>>>> y Delgado died in 1797.
>>>>
>>>> I believe that this family still lived on "Calle de la Merced" in 1792,
>>>> and
>>>> would appreciate any information concerning the whereabouts of the
>>>> original
>>>> "padron de 1792" or any other information about my ancestors. I can
>>>> reciprocate by looking up information about your ancestors on my copies
>>>> of
>>>> the "padrón parroquial de 1770" and the first "padrón parroquial de
>>>> 1648".
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Guillermo Figueroa Strecker
>>>>
>>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>>>> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
>>>>
>>>> To post, send email to:
>>>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
>>>>
>>>> To change your subscription, log on to:
>>>> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>>>> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
>>>>
>>>> To post, send email to:
>>>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
>>>>
>>>> To change your subscription, log on to:
>>>> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>>>>
>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>>> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
>>>
>>> To post, send email to:
>>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
>>>
>>> To change your subscription, log on to:
>>> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>>>
>>
>>