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I just wanted to say how happy I am for Esther and Welester to have
found each other after all these centuries. Imagine that, for a few
hundred years ago two families that lived with each other and knew each
other somehow got lost from each other. Then two people come along:
Esther and Welester and by diligent study discover each other are
cousins. And in a group that is focuses on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
Aguascalientes. Welester your gut feeling that your Zaldivar's came from
Zacatecas even though in my mind was a long shot paid off in that Esther
was able to make the connection and re-establish a blood line that had
been lost to each other for such a long time.

Don't worry about me everyone of the old timers in the group know that I
go off on one of these Joyful Celebrations of families that have found
each other every time connections are made within the group.

Congratulations and hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the
party and some others can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta
begin. It is time to celebrate! ! !

what a wonderful Christmas present you two have given each other and
your families including us in the Nuestros Ranchos group.

hohoho,

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Helloooooo Joseph,

Thanks to you and Esther , even though you weren't so sure about me , you stuck my by me and gave me the chance to complete part of my dream and as for my new found cousin Esther well, what can I say but out of sight but never out of mind . Really it was a nice Christmas gift for me . Esther you're a trooper , I'm proud to say that we are related .

Many thanks to the both of you, from the bottom of my heart !!!!!

Have a Very Merry Christmas and a Great New year !

Welester

> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:12:00 -0500> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration> > > I just wanted to say how happy I am for Esther and Welester to have > found each other after all these centuries. Imagine that, for a few > hundred years ago two families that lived with each other and knew each > other somehow got lost from each other. Then two people come along: > Esther and Welester and by diligent study discover each other are > cousins. And in a group that is focuses on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or > Aguascalientes. Welester your gut feeling that your Zaldivar's came from > Zacatecas even though in my mind was a long shot paid off in that Esther > was able to make the connection and re-establish a blood line that had > been lost to each other for such a long time.> > Don't worry about me everyone of the old timers in the group know that I > go off on one of these Joyful Celebrations of families that have f
ound > e
ach other every time connections are made within the group.> > Congratulations and hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the > party and some others can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta > begin. It is time to celebrate! ! !> > what a wonderful Christmas present you two have given each other and > your families including us in the Nuestros Ranchos group.> > hohoho,> > joseph> > ===================> > Joseph Puentes> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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I'm so glad for you. Talking about people outside the group. Yesterday I
activated the account of Gregorio Martinez (he hasn't replied to the
three confirmation emails yet so he won't be getting this) whose only
work is in Nuevo Leon, a genealogist friend of Welester. He has a very
strong gut feeling that his ancestors also come from the Zacatecas area.
As I told Welester we'll revisit the membership requirements in a year
to see how much progress has be made in establishing a connection, so
like wise I told him.

Welester when you and Esther have a chance (maybe not until after the
first of the year) send me in an email or genealogy report your
connection to Zacatecas I guess from your Grandparents to your Zacatecas
ancestors. I'll make up a private (for group members only) folder for
you in the Files/Members Genealogies/"Alvarado, Welester" area of the
group. it can be simple grandparents-->great grandparents--> etc. (with
locations and dates on each)

joseph

Lester Alvarado wrote:
> Helloooooo Joseph,
>
> Thanks to you and Esther , even though you weren't so sure about me , you stuck my by me and gave me the chance to complete part of my dream and as for my new found cousin Esther well, what can I say but out of sight but never out of mind . Really it was a nice Christmas gift for me . Esther you're a trooper , I'm proud to say that we are related .
>
> Many thanks to the both of you, from the bottom of my heart !!!!!
>
> Have a Very Merry Christmas and a Great New year !
>
> Welester
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:12:00 -0500> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration> > > I just wanted to say how happy I am for Esther and Welester to have > found each other after all these centuries. Imagine that, for a few > hundred years ago two families that lived with each other and knew each > other somehow got lost from each other. Then two people come along: > Esther and Welester and by diligent study discover each other are > cousins. And in a group that is focuses on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or > Aguascalientes. Welester your gut feeling that your Zaldivar's came from > Zacatecas even though in my mind was a long shot paid off in that Esther > was able to make the connection and re-establish a blood line that had > been lost to each other for such a long time.> > Don't worry about me everyone of the old timers in the group know that I > go off on one of these Joyful Celebrations of families that have
f
>>
> ound > e
> ach other every time connections are made within the group.> > Congratulations and hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the > party and some others can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta > begin. It is time to celebrate! ! !> > what a wonderful Christmas present you two have given each other and > your families including us in the Nuestros Ranchos group.> > hohoho,> > joseph> > ===================> > Joseph Puentes> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> _________________________________________________________________
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There were three confirmation email?? Sometimes I get so much email I can't read it all and I just...well...dump it. So I hope I am not going to be dropped from the list!!!!
Thanks
John

Joseph Puentes wrote:
I'm so glad for you. Talking about people outside the group. Yesterday I
activated the account of Gregorio Martinez (he hasn't replied to the
three confirmation emails yet so he won't be getting this) whose only
work is in Nuevo Leon, a genealogist friend of Welester. He has a very
strong gut feeling that his ancestors also come from the Zacatecas area.
As I told Welester we'll revisit the membership requirements in a year
to see how much progress has be made in establishing a connection, so
like wise I told him.

Welester when you and Esther have a chance (maybe not until after the
first of the year) send me in an email or genealogy report your
connection to Zacatecas I guess from your Grandparents to your Zacatecas
ancestors. I'll make up a private (for group members only) folder for
you in the Files/Members Genealogies/"Alvarado, Welester" area of the
group. it can be simple grandparents-->great grandparents--> etc. (with
locations and dates on each)

joseph

Lester Alvarado wrote:
> Helloooooo Joseph,
>
> Thanks to you and Esther , even though you weren't so sure about me , you stuck my by me and gave me the chance to complete part of my dream and as for my new found cousin Esther well, what can I say but out of sight but never out of mind . Really it was a nice Christmas gift for me . Esther you're a trooper , I'm proud to say that we are related .
>
> Many thanks to the both of you, from the bottom of my heart !!!!!
>
> Have a Very Merry Christmas and a Great New year !
>
> Welester
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:12:00 -0500> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration> > > I just wanted to say how happy I am for Esther and Welester to have > found each other after all these centuries. Imagine that, for a few > hundred years ago two families that lived with each other and knew each > other somehow got lost from each other. Then two people come along: > Esther and Welester and by diligent study discover each other are > cousins. And in a group that is focuses on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or > Aguascalientes. Welester your gut feeling that your Zaldivar's came from > Zacatecas even though in my mind was a long shot paid off in that Esther > was able to make the connection and re-establish a blood line that had > been lost to each other for such a long time.> > Don't worry about me everyone of the old timers in the group know that I > go off on one of these Joyful Celebrations of families that
have
f
>>
> ound > e
> ach other every time connections are made within the group.> > Congratulations and hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the > party and some others can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta > begin. It is time to celebrate! ! !> > what a wonderful Christmas present you two have given each other and > your families including us in the Nuestros Ranchos group.> > hohoho,> > joseph> > ===================> > Joseph Puentes> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger.
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Good morning Joseph,

Last night around 9 Gregorio called me and said that he recieved his three confirmations and everytime he responded a new one appeared , I told him to check the nuestros ranchos page and see if his name and password worked and after a few minutes waiting for him on the phone he yippiied and told me he was in .

Welester

> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 05:38:16 -0500> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration> > I'm so glad for you. Talking about people outside the group. Yesterday I > activated the account of Gregorio Martinez (he hasn't replied to the > three confirmation emails yet so he won't be getting this) whose only > work is in Nuevo Leon, a genealogist friend of Welester. He has a very > strong gut feeling that his ancestors also come from the Zacatecas area. > As I told Welester we'll revisit the membership requirements in a year > to see how much progress has be made in establishing a connection, so > like wise I told him.> > Welester when you and Esther have a chance (maybe not until after the > first of the year) send me in an email or genealogy report your > connection to Zacatecas I guess from your Grandparents to your Zacatecas > ancestors. I'll make up a private (for group members only) folder for > you in the Fil
es/Membe
rs Genealogies/"Alvarado, Welester" area of the > group. it can be simple grandparents-->great grandparents--> etc. (with > locations and dates on each)> > joseph> > > Lester Alvarado wrote:> > Helloooooo Joseph,> > > > Thanks to you and Esther , even though you weren't so sure about me , you stuck my by me and gave me the chance to complete part of my dream and as for my new found cousin Esther well, what can I say but out of sight but never out of mind . Really it was a nice Christmas gift for me . Esther you're a trooper , I'm proud to say that we are related .> > > > Many thanks to the both of you, from the bottom of my heart !!!!!> > > > Have a Very Merry Christmas and a Great New year !> > > > Welester> >> >> >> > > >> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:12:00 -0500> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration> > > I just wanted to say how happy I am for Esther and Welester to have > found each other after all these
centurie
s. Imagine that, for a few > hundred years ago two families that lived with each other and knew each > other somehow got lost from each other. Then two people come along: > Esther and Welester and by diligent study discover each other are > cousins. And in a group that is focuses on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or > Aguascalientes. Welester your gut feeling that your Zaldivar's came from > Zacatecas even though in my mind was a long shot paid off in that Esther > was able to make the connection and re-establish a blood line that had > been lost to each other for such a long time.> > Don't worry about me everyone of the old timers in the group know that I > go off on one of these Joyful Celebrations of families that have > f> >> > > ound > e> > ach other every time connections are made within the group.> > Congratulations and hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the > party and some others can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta > begin. It is time to celebrate!
! !> >
what a wonderful Christmas present you two have given each other and > your families including us in the Nuestros Ranchos group.> > hohoho,> > joseph> > ===================> > Joseph Puentes> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > _________________________________________________________________> > Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger.> > http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx?locale=e…; > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> >> > To post, send email to:> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> >> > To change your subscription, log on to:> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> >> >> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --

Joesph,

I sent a descendant outline tree from Onate/Zaldivar line. I kind of lump them together. Most of the information is from the marriage investigation of General Diego Ayala and Margarita Zaldivar who was my ancestor. I am also descendant from Margarita's brother Agustin also through my Saenz-Ancira line.
The Saenz-Ancira married the Ayalas hence I am a 2 time descendant.

ayalarobles
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Joseph Puentes : --------------

> I'm so glad for you. Talking about people outside the group. Yesterday I
> activated the account of Gregorio Martinez (he hasn't replied to the
> three confirmation emails yet so he won't be getting this) whose only
> work is in Nuevo Leon, a genealogist friend of Welester. He has a very
> strong gut feeling that his ancestors also come from the Zacatecas area.
> As I told Welester we'll revisit the membership requirements in a year
> to see how much progress has be made in establishing a connection, so
> like wise I told him.
>
> Welester when you and Esther have a chance (maybe not until after the
> first of the year) send me in an email or genealogy report your
> connection to Zacatecas I guess from your Grandparents to your Zacatecas
> ancestors. I'll make up a private (for group members only) folder for
> you in the Files/Members Genealogies/"Alvarado, Welester" area of the
> group. it can be simple grandparents-->great grandparents--> etc. (with
> locations and dates on each)
>
> joseph
>
>
> Lester Alvarado wrote:
> > Helloooooo Joseph,
> >
> > Thanks to you and Esther , even though you weren't so sure about me , you
> stuck my by me and gave me the chance to complete part of my dream and as for my
> new found cousin Esther well, what can I say but out of sight but never out of
> mind . Really it was a nice Christmas gift for me . Esther you're a trooper ,
> I'm proud to say that we are related .
> >
> > Many thanks to the both of you, from the bottom of my heart !!!!!
> >
> > Have a Very Merry Christmas and a Great New year !
> >
> > Welester
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:12:00 -0500> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To:
> research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration>
> > > I just wanted to say how happy I am for Esther and Welester to have > found
> each other after all these centuries. Imagine that, for a few > hundred years
> ago two families that lived with each other and knew each > other somehow got
> lost from each other. Then two people come along: > Esther and Welester and by
> diligent study discover each other are > cousins. And in a group that is focuses
> on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or > Aguascalientes. Welester your gut feeling that
> your Zaldivar's came from > Zacatecas even though in my mind was a long shot
> paid off in that Esther > was able to make the connection and re-establish a
> blood line that had > been lost to each other for such a long time.> > Don't
> worry about me everyone of the old timers in the group know that I > go off on
> one of these Joyful Celebrations of families that have
> f
> >>
> > ound > e
> > ach other every time connections are made within the group.> >
> Congratulations and hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the > party and
> some others can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta > begin. It is
> time to celebrate! ! !> > what a wonderful Christmas present you two have given
> each other and > your families including us in the Nuestros Ranchos group.> >
> hohoho,> > joseph> > ===================> > Joseph Puentes>
> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com
> (Latin American History)> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros
> Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:>
> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:>
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> > _________________________________________________________________
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> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >

Joseph,

One of my intents is to connect my Robles line to Jalisco. I am still stuck in Coahuila. My ancestors originated in Coahuila in Parras. There was a Captain Diego Robles who came in 1585 from CUencame so my relative Vito Alessio Robles. The name DIego has been repetitive in the family but then Diego in general has been a popular name. I am trying to figure if this DIego stayed or was his coming to the area just a coinicident. Records prior to 1620 are scant. Supposedly there is a diary but I don't know where it is.

John Robles, I hope someday we are able to connect our lines.

ayalarobles
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Joseph Puentes : --------------

>
> I just wanted to say how happy I am for Esther and Welester to have
> found each other after all these centuries. Imagine that, for a few
> hundred years ago two families that lived with each other and knew each
> other somehow got lost from each other. Then two people come along:
> Esther and Welester and by diligent study discover each other are
> cousins. And in a group that is focuses on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
> Aguascalientes. Welester your gut feeling that your Zaldivar's came from
> Zacatecas even though in my mind was a long shot paid off in that Esther
> was able to make the connection and re-establish a blood line that had
> been lost to each other for such a long time.
>
> Don't worry about me everyone of the old timers in the group know that I
> go off on one of these Joyful Celebrations of families that have found
> each other every time connections are made within the group.
>
> Congratulations and hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the
> party and some others can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta
> begin. It is time to celebrate! ! !
>
> what a wonderful Christmas present you two have given each other and
> your families including us in the Nuestros Ranchos group.
>
> hohoho,
>
> joseph
>
> ===================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
>

Hi there Joseph and Esther ,

I've been thinking , the fact that I was able to trace my way back towards Zacatecas just proves to me that if it worked for me than it's got to work for others . Esther says that Diego landed in Parras , Coahuila and maybe he left some family there or maybe he went to the state of Nuevo Leon like our family Zaldivar did .
What I'm getting at is this , even though our group is focused in the three states , we should not rule out Coahuila , Nuevo Leon , Chihuahua Durango and Tamaulipas .

Our origens' are in the three states but some of ancestors continued wandering . In the Archivos Historicos de Monterrey list quite a few people that came from Zacatecas , Jalisco and Aguascaliente .

I have met several people here in Monterrey ( mostly from the Mormon church ) that have ancestors from the three states . Some of them have registered into the group . I feel confident that I will also find connections to my other family names ( Garza , Alvarado , Trevino and others ) with the help of this group .

I'm rambling on he he , anyway I will send you whatever info I have on the Saldivars' and I would love to see it in the archives or files of the members for all to see and use .

Thank you ,
Welester

> From: eaherold@att.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 00:21:51 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration> > Joseph,> > One of my intents is to connect my Robles line to Jalisco. I am still stuck in Coahuila. My ancestors originated in Coahuila in Parras. There was a Captain Diego Robles who came in 1585 from CUencame so my relative Vito Alessio Robles. The name DIego has been repetitive in the family but then Diego in general has been a popular name. I am trying to figure if this DIego stayed or was his coming to the area just a coinicident. Records prior to 1620 are scant. Supposedly there is a diary but I don't know where it is. > > John Robles, I hope someday we are able to connect our lines.> > ayalarobles> --> Esther A. Herold> > > -------------- Original message from Joseph Puentes : -------------- > > > > > > I just wanted to say how happy I am for Esther and Welester to have > > found each other after al
l these
centuries. Imagine that, for a few > > hundred years ago two families that lived with each other and knew each > > other somehow got lost from each other. Then two people come along: > > Esther and Welester and by diligent study discover each other are > > cousins. And in a group that is focuses on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or > > Aguascalientes. Welester your gut feeling that your Zaldivar's came from > > Zacatecas even though in my mind was a long shot paid off in that Esther > > was able to make the connection and re-establish a blood line that had > > been lost to each other for such a long time. > > > > Don't worry about me everyone of the old timers in the group know that I > > go off on one of these Joyful Celebrations of families that have found > > each other every time connections are made within the group. > > > > Congratulations and hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the > > party and some others can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta > > begi
n. It is
time to celebrate! ! ! > > > > what a wonderful Christmas present you two have given each other and > > your families including us in the Nuestros Ranchos group. > > > > hohoho, > > > > joseph > > > > =================== > > > > Joseph Puentes > > http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast) > > http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History) > > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List > > > > To post, send email to: > > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org > > > > To change your subscription, log on to: > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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A while back I decided to see where the surname Corbera/Corvera appeared in
Mexico. Using www.familysearch.org website of the Mormon Church, here's
what I came up with. This is not to say that all of these individuls are
family members, at this time our only common link is the sharing of a given
surname. When I became a Corbera in 1965, I was told that Corbera was a
rare surname primary from Zacatecas. The listing below reflects the states
of Coahuila; Puebla; Sinoloa and Zacatecas having their fair share of
Corbera/Corvera residents. As Welester pointed out other states in Mexico
should not be "ruled out." ~~~~~~~~
Coahuila - 93 individuals listed either as Corbera or Corvera dating back to
1813.
Durango - 3 - 1822
Guanajuato - 8 - 1714
Jalisco - 44 - 1807
Michoacan - 2 - 1932
Oaxaca - 8 - 1754
Puebla - 70 - 1804
Queretaro - 4 - 1752
San Luis Potosi - 15 - 1771
Sinoloa - 230 - 1732
Tamaulipas - 1 - 1804
Yucatlan - 1 - 1851
Zacaticas - 65 - 1794
Sonora - 1 - 1783
Nueva Leon - 5 - 1867
Hidalgo - 3 - 1771
Chihuahua - 1 - 1713
Baja California Sur - 4 - 1868
State Unknown - 1 - 1893

Pat Silva Corbera
Northern California

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lester Alvarado"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration

> Hi there Joseph and Esther ,
>
> I've been thinking , the fact that I was able to trace my way back towards
> Zacatecas just proves to me that if it worked for me than it's got to work
> for others . Esther says that Diego landed in Parras , Coahuila and maybe
> he left some family there or maybe he went to the state of Nuevo Leon like
> our family Zaldivar did .
> What I'm getting at is this , even though our group is focused in the
> three states , we should not rule out Coahuila , Nuevo Leon , Chihuahua
> Durango and Tamaulipas .
>
> Our origens' are in the three states but some of ancestors continued
> wandering . In the Archivos Historicos de Monterrey list quite a few
> people that came from Zacatecas , Jalisco and Aguascaliente .
>
> I have met several people here in Monterrey ( mostly from the Mormon
> church ) that have ancestors from the three states . Some of them have
> registered into the group . I feel confident that I will also find
> connections to my other family names ( Garza , Alvarado , Trevino and
> others ) with the help of this group .
>
> I'm rambling on he he , anyway I will send you whatever info I have on the
> Saldivars' and I would love to see it in the archives or files of the
> members for all to see and use .
>
> Thank you ,
> Welester
>
>
>
>> From: eaherold@att.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 27
>> Dec 2006 00:21:51 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas
>> Celebration> > Joseph,> > One of my intents is to connect my Robles line
>> to Jalisco. I am still stuck in Coahuila. My ancestors originated in
>> Coahuila in Parras. There was a Captain Diego Robles who came in 1585
>> from CUencame so my relative Vito Alessio Robles. The name DIego has been
>> repetitive in the family but then Diego in general has been a popular
>> name. I am trying to figure if this DIego stayed or was his coming to the
>> area just a coinicident. Records prior to 1620 are scant. Supposedly
>> there is a diary but I don't know where it is. > > John Robles, I hope
>> someday we are able to connect our lines.> > ayalarobles> --> Esther A.
>> Herold> > > -------------- Original message from Joseph Puentes
>> : -------------- > > > > > > I just wanted to say how
>> happy I am for Esther and Welester to have > > found each other after al
> l these
> centuries. Imagine that, for a few > > hundred years ago two families that
> lived with each other and knew each > > other somehow got lost from each
> other. Then two people come along: > > Esther and Welester and by diligent
> study discover each other are > > cousins. And in a group that is focuses
> on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or > > Aguascalientes. Welester your gut
> feeling that your Zaldivar's came from > > Zacatecas even though in my
> mind was a long shot paid off in that Esther > > was able to make the
> connection and re-establish a blood line that had > > been lost to each
> other for such a long time. > > > > Don't worry about me everyone of the
> old timers in the group know that I > > go off on one of these Joyful
> Celebrations of families that have found > > each other every time
> connections are made within the group. > > > > Congratulations and
> hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the > > party and some others
> can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta > > begi
> n. It is
> time to celebrate! ! ! > > > > what a wonderful Christmas present you two
> have given each other and > > your families including us in the Nuestros
> Ranchos group. > > > > hohoho, > > > > joseph > > > > ===================
> > > > > Joseph Puentes > > http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast) > >
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History) > > >
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > Nuestros Ranchos Research
> Mailing List > > > > To post, send email to: > >
> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org > > > > To change your subscription, log
> on to: > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research
> Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org>
> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> _________________________________________________________________
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> http://maps.live.com/?wip=51

No I'm not ruling out other states. but I am limiting the membership to
those that sincerely believe that their roots go back to Jalisco,
Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes from one of these other states. As with
Welester and with Gregorio Martinez ( who hasn't replied to the
confirmation emails yet) and other members in the past I am accepting
individuals into the group on a conditional basis. As long as they
pursue making a connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes
they can be members and we'll revisit the membership requirements from
year to year.

But what I won't be doing is to open up the group to all estados for
discussion of the genealogy of related to all areas outside of Jalisco,
Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes. Limited discussion outside our target
area is already okay but I don't see that I can continue on in my
current capacity if it is opened up to all the states. . .anyway a
group, and a very good group might I say, already exists for all the
estados de Mexico. I think everyone interested in expanding the research
area should seriously consider membership in Jonathan Walkers MexicanFHR
group, I know I have and a register member. Here is that website
address: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mexicanfhr/

thanks much,

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

papagaia2 wrote:
> A while back I decided to see where the surname Corbera/Corvera appeared in
> Mexico. Using www.familysearch.org website of the Mormon Church, here's
> what I came up with. This is not to say that all of these individuls are
> family members, at this time our only common link is the sharing of a given
> surname. When I became a Corbera in 1965, I was told that Corbera was a
> rare surname primary from Zacatecas. The listing below reflects the states
> of Coahuila; Puebla; Sinoloa and Zacatecas having their fair share of
> Corbera/Corvera residents. As Welester pointed out other states in Mexico
> should not be "ruled out." ~~~~~~~~
> Coahuila - 93 individuals listed either as Corbera or Corvera dating back to
> 1813.
> Durango - 3 - 1822
> Guanajuato - 8 - 1714
> Jalisco - 44 - 1807
> Michoacan - 2 - 1932
> Oaxaca - 8 - 1754
> Puebla - 70 - 1804
> Queretaro - 4 - 1752
> San Luis Potosi - 15 - 1771
> Sinoloa - 230 - 1732
> Tamaulipas - 1 - 1804
> Yucatlan - 1 - 1851
> Zacaticas - 65 - 1794
> Sonora - 1 - 1783
> Nueva Leon - 5 - 1867
> Hidalgo - 3 - 1771
> Chihuahua - 1 - 1713
> Baja California Sur - 4 - 1868
> State Unknown - 1 - 1893
>
> Pat Silva Corbera
> Northern California
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lester Alvarado"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 8:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration
>
>
>
>> Hi there Joseph and Esther ,
>>
>> I've been thinking , the fact that I was able to trace my way back towards
>> Zacatecas just proves to me that if it worked for me than it's got to work
>> for others . Esther says that Diego landed in Parras , Coahuila and maybe
>> he left some family there or maybe he went to the state of Nuevo Leon like
>> our family Zaldivar did .
>> What I'm getting at is this , even though our group is focused in the
>> three states , we should not rule out Coahuila , Nuevo Leon , Chihuahua
>> Durango and Tamaulipas .
>>
>> Our origens' are in the three states but some of ancestors continued
>> wandering . In the Archivos Historicos de Monterrey list quite a few
>> people that came from Zacatecas , Jalisco and Aguascaliente .
>>
>> I have met several people here in Monterrey ( mostly from the Mormon
>> church ) that have ancestors from the three states . Some of them have
>> registered into the group . I feel confident that I will also find
>> connections to my other family names ( Garza , Alvarado , Trevino and
>> others ) with the help of this group .
>>
>> I'm rambling on he he , anyway I will send you whatever info I have on the
>> Saldivars' and I would love to see it in the archives or files of the
>> members for all to see and use .
>>
>> Thank you ,
>> Welester
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: eaherold@att.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 27
>>> Dec 2006 00:21:51 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas
>>> Celebration> > Joseph,> > One of my intents is to connect my Robles line
>>> to Jalisco. I am still stuck in Coahuila. My ancestors originated in
>>> Coahuila in Parras. There was a Captain Diego Robles who came in 1585
>>> from CUencame so my relative Vito Alessio Robles. The name DIego has been
>>> repetitive in the family but then Diego in general has been a popular
>>> name. I am trying to figure if this DIego stayed or was his coming to the
>>> area just a coinicident. Records prior to 1620 are scant. Supposedly
>>> there is a diary but I don't know where it is. > > John Robles, I hope
>>> someday we are able to connect our lines.> > ayalarobles> --> Esther A.
>>> Herold> > > -------------- Original message from Joseph Puentes
>>> : -------------- > > > > > > I just wanted to say how
>>> happy I am for Esther and Welester to have > > found each other after al
>>>
>> l these
>> centuries. Imagine that, for a few > > hundred years ago two families that
>> lived with each other and knew each > > other somehow got lost from each
>> other. Then two people come along: > > Esther and Welester and by diligent
>> study discover each other are > > cousins. And in a group that is focuses
>> on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or > > Aguascalientes. Welester your gut
>> feeling that your Zaldivar's came from > > Zacatecas even though in my
>> mind was a long shot paid off in that Esther > > was able to make the
>> connection and re-establish a blood line that had > > been lost to each
>> other for such a long time. > > > > Don't worry about me everyone of the
>> old timers in the group know that I > > go off on one of these Joyful
>> Celebrations of families that have found > > each other every time
>> connections are made within the group. > > > > Congratulations and
>> hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the > > party and some others
>> can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta > > begi
>> n. It is
>> time to celebrate! ! ! > > > > what a wonderful Christmas present you two
>> have given each other and > > your families including us in the Nuestros
>> Ranchos group. > > > > hohoho, > > > > joseph > > > > ===================
>> > > > > Joseph Puentes > > http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast) > >
>> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History) > > >
>> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > Nuestros Ranchos Research
>> Mailing List > > > > To post, send email to: > >
>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org > > > > To change your subscription, log
>> on to: > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research
>> Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org>
>> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> Try amazing new 3D maps
>> http://maps.live.com/?wip=51

Joseph my comments was not to imply that Ranchos should be opened to all
states in Mexico, nor that you personally are ruling out other states. I
was just sharing in general what I found in my research efforts. Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Puentes"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Surname: Corbera/Corvera

> No I'm not ruling out other states. but I am limiting the membership to
> those that sincerely believe that their roots go back to Jalisco,
> Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes from one of these other states. As with
> Welester and with Gregorio Martinez ( who hasn't replied to the
> confirmation emails yet) and other members in the past I am accepting
> individuals into the group on a conditional basis. As long as they
> pursue making a connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes
> they can be members and we'll revisit the membership requirements from
> year to year.
>
> But what I won't be doing is to open up the group to all estados for
> discussion of the genealogy of related to all areas outside of Jalisco,
> Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes. Limited discussion outside our target
> area is already okay but I don't see that I can continue on in my
> current capacity if it is opened up to all the states. . .anyway a
> group, and a very good group might I say, already exists for all the
> estados de Mexico. I think everyone interested in expanding the research
> area should seriously consider membership in Jonathan Walkers MexicanFHR
> group, I know I have and a register member. Here is that website
> address: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mexicanfhr/
>
> thanks much,
>
> joseph
>
> ===================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
>
> papagaia2 wrote:
>> A while back I decided to see where the surname Corbera/Corvera appeared
>> in
>> Mexico. Using www.familysearch.org website of the Mormon Church, here's
>> what I came up with. This is not to say that all of these individuls are
>> family members, at this time our only common link is the sharing of a
>> given
>> surname. When I became a Corbera in 1965, I was told that Corbera was a
>> rare surname primary from Zacatecas. The listing below reflects the
>> states
>> of Coahuila; Puebla; Sinoloa and Zacatecas having their fair share of
>> Corbera/Corvera residents. As Welester pointed out other states in
>> Mexico
>> should not be "ruled out." ~~~~~~~~
>> Coahuila - 93 individuals listed either as Corbera or Corvera dating back
>> to
>> 1813.
>> Durango - 3 - 1822
>> Guanajuato - 8 - 1714
>> Jalisco - 44 - 1807
>> Michoacan - 2 - 1932
>> Oaxaca - 8 - 1754
>> Puebla - 70 - 1804
>> Queretaro - 4 - 1752
>> San Luis Potosi - 15 - 1771
>> Sinoloa - 230 - 1732
>> Tamaulipas - 1 - 1804
>> Yucatlan - 1 - 1851
>> Zacaticas - 65 - 1794
>> Sonora - 1 - 1783
>> Nueva Leon - 5 - 1867
>> Hidalgo - 3 - 1771
>> Chihuahua - 1 - 1713
>> Baja California Sur - 4 - 1868
>> State Unknown - 1 - 1893
>>
>> Pat Silva Corbera
>> Northern California
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lester Alvarado"
>> To:
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 8:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi there Joseph and Esther ,
>>>
>>> I've been thinking , the fact that I was able to trace my way back
>>> towards
>>> Zacatecas just proves to me that if it worked for me than it's got to
>>> work
>>> for others . Esther says that Diego landed in Parras , Coahuila and
>>> maybe
>>> he left some family there or maybe he went to the state of Nuevo Leon
>>> like
>>> our family Zaldivar did .
>>> What I'm getting at is this , even though our group is focused in the
>>> three states , we should not rule out Coahuila , Nuevo Leon , Chihuahua
>>> Durango and Tamaulipas .
>>>
>>> Our origens' are in the three states but some of ancestors continued
>>> wandering . In the Archivos Historicos de Monterrey list quite a few
>>> people that came from Zacatecas , Jalisco and Aguascaliente .
>>>
>>> I have met several people here in Monterrey ( mostly from the Mormon
>>> church ) that have ancestors from the three states . Some of them have
>>> registered into the group . I feel confident that I will also find
>>> connections to my other family names ( Garza , Alvarado , Trevino and
>>> others ) with the help of this group .
>>>
>>> I'm rambling on he he , anyway I will send you whatever info I have on
>>> the
>>> Saldivars' and I would love to see it in the archives or files of the
>>> members for all to see and use .
>>>
>>> Thank you ,
>>> Welester
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: eaherold@att.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 27
>>>> Dec 2006 00:21:51 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas
>>>> Celebration> > Joseph,> > One of my intents is to connect my Robles
>>>> line
>>>> to Jalisco. I am still stuck in Coahuila. My ancestors originated in
>>>> Coahuila in Parras. There was a Captain Diego Robles who came in 1585
>>>> from CUencame so my relative Vito Alessio Robles. The name DIego has
>>>> been
>>>> repetitive in the family but then Diego in general has been a popular
>>>> name. I am trying to figure if this DIego stayed or was his coming to
>>>> the
>>>> area just a coinicident. Records prior to 1620 are scant. Supposedly
>>>> there is a diary but I don't know where it is. > > John Robles, I hope
>>>> someday we are able to connect our lines.> > ayalarobles> --> Esther A.
>>>> Herold> > > -------------- Original message from Joseph Puentes
>>>> : -------------- > > > > > > I just wanted to say how
>>>> happy I am for Esther and Welester to have > > found each other after
>>>> al
>>>>
>>> l these
>>> centuries. Imagine that, for a few > > hundred years ago two families
>>> that
>>> lived with each other and knew each > > other somehow got lost from each
>>> other. Then two people come along: > > Esther and Welester and by
>>> diligent
>>> study discover each other are > > cousins. And in a group that is
>>> focuses
>>> on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or > > Aguascalientes. Welester your gut
>>> feeling that your Zaldivar's came from > > Zacatecas even though in my
>>> mind was a long shot paid off in that Esther > > was able to make the
>>> connection and re-establish a blood line that had > > been lost to each
>>> other for such a long time. > > > > Don't worry about me everyone of the
>>> old timers in the group know that I > > go off on one of these Joyful
>>> Celebrations of families that have found > > each other every time
>>> connections are made within the group. > > > > Congratulations and
>>> hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the > > party and some
>>> others
>>> can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta > > begi
>>> n. It is
>>> time to celebrate! ! ! > > > > what a wonderful Christmas present you
>>> two
>>> have given each other and > > your families including us in the Nuestros
>>> Ranchos group. > > > > hohoho, > > > > joseph > > > >
>>> ===================
>>> > > > > Joseph Puentes > > http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
>>> > >
>>> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History) > > >
>>> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > Nuestros Ranchos Research
>>> Mailing List > > > > To post, send email to: > >
>>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org > > > > To change your subscription, log
>>> on to: > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>>> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research
>>> Mailing List> > To post, send email to:>
>>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org>
>>> > To change your subscription, log on to:>
>>> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>> Try amazing new 3D maps
>>> http://maps.live.com/?wip=51
>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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>>>
>>> To post, send email to:
>>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
>>>
>>> To change your subscription, log on to:
>>> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

sorry if you got the feeling that I was being critical. I wasn't trying
to be just explaining my thoughts concerning membership and areas of
research.

thanks for your participation and please don't let me cause you to delay
your research in other areas. thank again and have a happy new year.

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

papagaia2 wrote:
> Joseph my comments was not to imply that Ranchos should be opened to all
> states in Mexico, nor that you personally are ruling out other states. I
> was just sharing in general what I found in my research efforts. Pat
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Puentes"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 1:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Surname: Corbera/Corvera
>
>
>
>> No I'm not ruling out other states. but I am limiting the membership to
>> those that sincerely believe that their roots go back to Jalisco,
>> Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes from one of these other states. As with
>> Welester and with Gregorio Martinez ( who hasn't replied to the
>> confirmation emails yet) and other members in the past I am accepting
>> individuals into the group on a conditional basis. As long as they
>> pursue making a connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes
>> they can be members and we'll revisit the membership requirements from
>> year to year.
>>
>> But what I won't be doing is to open up the group to all estados for
>> discussion of the genealogy of related to all areas outside of Jalisco,
>> Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes. Limited discussion outside our target
>> area is already okay but I don't see that I can continue on in my
>> current capacity if it is opened up to all the states. . .anyway a
>> group, and a very good group might I say, already exists for all the
>> estados de Mexico. I think everyone interested in expanding the research
>> area should seriously consider membership in Jonathan Walkers MexicanFHR
>> group, I know I have and a register member. Here is that website
>> address: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mexicanfhr/
>>
>> thanks much,
>>
>> joseph
>>
>> ===================
>>
>> Joseph Puentes
>> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
>> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
>>
>> papagaia2 wrote:
>>
>>> A while back I decided to see where the surname Corbera/Corvera appeared
>>> in
>>> Mexico. Using www.familysearch.org website of the Mormon Church, here's
>>> what I came up with. This is not to say that all of these individuls are
>>> family members, at this time our only common link is the sharing of a
>>> given
>>> surname. When I became a Corbera in 1965, I was told that Corbera was a
>>> rare surname primary from Zacatecas. The listing below reflects the
>>> states
>>> of Coahuila; Puebla; Sinoloa and Zacatecas having their fair share of
>>> Corbera/Corvera residents. As Welester pointed out other states in
>>> Mexico
>>> should not be "ruled out." ~~~~~~~~
>>> Coahuila - 93 individuals listed either as Corbera or Corvera dating back
>>> to
>>> 1813.
>>> Durango - 3 - 1822
>>> Guanajuato - 8 - 1714
>>> Jalisco - 44 - 1807
>>> Michoacan - 2 - 1932
>>> Oaxaca - 8 - 1754
>>> Puebla - 70 - 1804
>>> Queretaro - 4 - 1752
>>> San Luis Potosi - 15 - 1771
>>> Sinoloa - 230 - 1732
>>> Tamaulipas - 1 - 1804
>>> Yucatlan - 1 - 1851
>>> Zacaticas - 65 - 1794
>>> Sonora - 1 - 1783
>>> Nueva Leon - 5 - 1867
>>> Hidalgo - 3 - 1771
>>> Chihuahua - 1 - 1713
>>> Baja California Sur - 4 - 1868
>>> State Unknown - 1 - 1893
>>>
>>> Pat Silva Corbera
>>> Northern California
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Lester Alvarado"
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 8:16 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi there Joseph and Esther ,
>>>>
>>>> I've been thinking , the fact that I was able to trace my way back
>>>> towards
>>>> Zacatecas just proves to me that if it worked for me than it's got to
>>>> work
>>>> for others . Esther says that Diego landed in Parras , Coahuila and
>>>> maybe
>>>> he left some family there or maybe he went to the state of Nuevo Leon
>>>> like
>>>> our family Zaldivar did .
>>>> What I'm getting at is this , even though our group is focused in the
>>>> three states , we should not rule out Coahuila , Nuevo Leon , Chihuahua
>>>> Durango and Tamaulipas .
>>>>
>>>> Our origens' are in the three states but some of ancestors continued
>>>> wandering . In the Archivos Historicos de Monterrey list quite a few
>>>> people that came from Zacatecas , Jalisco and Aguascaliente .
>>>>
>>>> I have met several people here in Monterrey ( mostly from the Mormon
>>>> church ) that have ancestors from the three states . Some of them have
>>>> registered into the group . I feel confident that I will also find
>>>> connections to my other family names ( Garza , Alvarado , Trevino and
>>>> others ) with the help of this group .
>>>>
>>>> I'm rambling on he he , anyway I will send you whatever info I have on
>>>> the
>>>> Saldivars' and I would love to see it in the archives or files of the
>>>> members for all to see and use .
>>>>
>>>> Thank you ,
>>>> Welester
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: eaherold@att.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 27
>>>>> Dec 2006 00:21:51 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas
>>>>> Celebration> > Joseph,> > One of my intents is to connect my Robles
>>>>> line
>>>>> to Jalisco. I am still stuck in Coahuila. My ancestors originated in
>>>>> Coahuila in Parras. There was a Captain Diego Robles who came in 1585
>>>>> from CUencame so my relative Vito Alessio Robles. The name DIego has
>>>>> been
>>>>> repetitive in the family but then Diego in general has been a popular
>>>>> name. I am trying to figure if this DIego stayed or was his coming to
>>>>> the
>>>>> area just a coinicident. Records prior to 1620 are scant. Supposedly
>>>>> there is a diary but I don't know where it is. > > John Robles, I hope
>>>>> someday we are able to connect our lines.> > ayalarobles> --> Esther A.
>>>>> Herold> > > -------------- Original message from Joseph Puentes
>>>>> : -------------- > > > > > > I just wanted to say how
>>>>> happy I am for Esther and Welester to have > > found each other after
>>>>> al
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> l these
>>>> centuries. Imagine that, for a few > > hundred years ago two families
>>>> that
>>>> lived with each other and knew each > > other somehow got lost from each
>>>> other. Then two people come along: > > Esther and Welester and by
>>>> diligent
>>>> study discover each other are > > cousins. And in a group that is
>>>> focuses
>>>> on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or > > Aguascalientes. Welester your gut
>>>> feeling that your Zaldivar's came from > > Zacatecas even though in my
>>>> mind was a long shot paid off in that Esther > > was able to make the
>>>> connection and re-establish a blood line that had > > been lost to each
>>>> other for such a long time. > > > > Don't worry about me everyone of the
>>>> old timers in the group know that I > > go off on one of these Joyful
>>>> Celebrations of families that have found > > each other every time
>>>> connections are made within the group. > > > > Congratulations and
>>>> hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the > > party and some
>>>> others
>>>> can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta > > begi
>>>> n. It is
>>>> time to celebrate! ! ! > > > > what a wonderful Christmas present you
>>>> two
>>>> have given each other and > > your families including us in the Nuestros
>>>> Ranchos group. > > > > hohoho, > > > > joseph > > > >
>>>> ===================
>>>> > > > > Joseph Puentes > > http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
>>>> > >
>>>> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History) > > >
>>>> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > Nuestros Ranchos Research
>>>> Mailing List > > > > To post, send email to: > >
>>>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org > > > > To change your subscription, log
>>>> on to: > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>>>> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research
>>>> Mailing List> > To post, send email to:>
>>>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org>
>>>> > To change your subscription, log on to:>
>>>> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>> Try amazing new 3D maps
>>>> http://maps.live.com/?wip=51
>>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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Ayalas of Coahuila, Nuevo Leon and Tamulpias are really Trevinos having taken their mother surname.
Trevinos migrated to Nuevo Leon from Zacatecas and Jalisco. THe Garzas as well migrated to Nuevo Leon from Zacatecas City in the late 1500s.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Lester Alvarado : --------------

> Hi there Joseph and Esther ,
>
> I've been thinking , the fact that I was able to trace my way back towards
> Zacatecas just proves to me that if it worked for me than it's got to work for
> others . Esther says that Diego landed in Parras , Coahuila and maybe he left
> some family there or maybe he went to the state of Nuevo Leon like our family
> Zaldivar did .
> What I'm getting at is this , even though our group is focused in the three
> states , we should not rule out Coahuila , Nuevo Leon , Chihuahua Durango and
> Tamaulipas .
>
> Our origens' are in the three states but some of ancestors continued wandering .
> In the Archivos Historicos de Monterrey list quite a few people that came from
> Zacatecas , Jalisco and Aguascaliente .
>
> I have met several people here in Monterrey ( mostly from the Mormon church )
> that have ancestors from the three states . Some of them have registered into
> the group . I feel confident that I will also find connections to my other
> family names ( Garza , Alvarado , Trevino and others ) with the help of this
> group .
>
> I'm rambling on he he , anyway I will send you whatever info I have on the
> Saldivars' and I would love to see it in the archives or files of the members
> for all to see and use .
>
> Thank you ,
> Welester
>
>
>
> > From: eaherold@att.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 27 Dec
> 2006 00:21:51 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration> >
> Joseph,> > One of my intents is to connect my Robles line to Jalisco. I am still
> stuck in Coahuila. My ancestors originated in Coahuila in Parras. There was a
> Captain Diego Robles who came in 1585 from CUencame so my relative Vito Alessio
> Robles. The name DIego has been repetitive in the family but then Diego in
> general has been a popular name. I am trying to figure if this DIego stayed or
> was his coming to the area just a coinicident. Records prior to 1620 are scant.
> Supposedly there is a diary but I don't know where it is. > > John Robles, I
> hope someday we are able to connect our lines.> > ayalarobles> --> Esther A.
> Herold> > > -------------- Original message from Joseph Puentes
> : -------------- > > > > > > I just wanted to say how happy I
> am for Esther and Welester to have > > found each other after al
> l these
> centuries. Imagine that, for a few > > hundred years ago two families that
> lived with each other and knew each > > other somehow got lost from each other.
> Then two people come along: > > Esther and Welester and by diligent study
> discover each other are > > cousins. And in a group that is focuses on Jalisco,
> Zacatecas, and/or > > Aguascalientes. Welester your gut feeling that your
> Zaldivar's came from > > Zacatecas even though in my mind was a long shot paid
> off in that Esther > > was able to make the connection and re-establish a blood
> line that had > > been lost to each other for such a long time. > > > > Don't
> worry about me everyone of the old timers in the group know that I > > go off on
> one of these Joyful Celebrations of families that have found > > each other
> every time connections are made within the group. > > > > Congratulations and
> hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the > > party and some others can
> cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta > > begi
> n. It is
> time to celebrate! ! ! > > > > what a wonderful Christmas present you two have
> given each other and > > your families including us in the Nuestros Ranchos
> group. > > > > hohoho, > > > > joseph > > > > =================== > > > > Joseph
> Puentes > > http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast) > >
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History) > > > > -- -- -- -- --

Esther ,
I didn't know that . Thanks I'm gonna check that out since I have Ayala , Trevino and Garza .

Thanks a bunch,
Welester

> From: eaherold@att.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 06:24:42 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration> > Ayalas of Coahuila, Nuevo Leon and Tamulpias are really Trevinos having taken their mother surname.> Trevinos migrated to Nuevo Leon from Zacatecas and Jalisco. THe Garzas as well migrated to Nuevo Leon from Zacatecas City in the late 1500s.> --> Esther A. Herold> > >> > >
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John you are a lifetime member. Here are the circumstances that I would
unsubscribe you:

1) you asked to be unsubscribed
2) you became argumentative and disrupted the harmony of the group
3) dag-gone near everyone in group up and sent me an email asking me to
unsubscribe you. (you never know)
4) some other weird set of circumstances that I haven't thought about
but absolutely compelled me to unsubscribe you.
5) you decided to give up playing the harp

Merry Christmas,

joseph

ps: there were three confirmation emails and you did reply to all three
because you are currently subscribed to all three lists.

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

john robles wrote:
> There were three confirmation email?? Sometimes I get so much email I can't read it all and I just...well...dump it. So I hope I am not going to be dropped from the list!!!!
> Thanks
> John
>
> Joseph Puentes wrote:
> I'm so glad for you. Talking about people outside the group. Yesterday I
> activated the account of Gregorio Martinez (he hasn't replied to the
> three confirmation emails yet so he won't be getting this) whose only
> work is in Nuevo Leon, a genealogist friend of Welester. He has a very
> strong gut feeling that his ancestors also come from the Zacatecas area.
> As I told Welester we'll revisit the membership requirements in a year
> to see how much progress has be made in establishing a connection, so
> like wise I told him.
>
> Welester when you and Esther have a chance (maybe not until after the
> first of the year) send me in an email or genealogy report your
> connection to Zacatecas I guess from your Grandparents to your Zacatecas
> ancestors. I'll make up a private (for group members only) folder for
> you in the Files/Members Genealogies/"Alvarado, Welester" area of the
> group. it can be simple grandparents-->great grandparents--> etc. (with
> locations and dates on each)
>
> joseph
>
>
> Lester Alvarado wrote:
>
>> Helloooooo Joseph,
>>
>> Thanks to you and Esther , even though you weren't so sure about me , you stuck my by me and gave me the chance to complete part of my dream and as for my new found cousin Esther well, what can I say but out of sight but never out of mind . Really it was a nice Christmas gift for me . Esther you're a trooper , I'm proud to say that we are related .
>>
>> Many thanks to the both of you, from the bottom of my heart !!!!!
>>
>> Have a Very Merry Christmas and a Great New year !
>>
>> Welester
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:12:00 -0500> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration> > > I just wanted to say how happy I am for Esther and Welester to have > found each other after all these centuries. Imagine that, for a few > hundred years ago two families that lived with each other and knew each > other somehow got lost from each other. Then two people come along: > Esther and Welester and by diligent study discover each other are > cousins. And in a group that is focuses on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or > Aguascalientes. Welester your gut feeling that your Zaldivar's came from > Zacatecas even though in my mind was a long shot paid off in that Esther > was able to make the connection and re-establish a blood line that had > been lost to each other for such a long time.> > Don't worry about me everyone of the old timers in the group know that I > go off on one of these Joyful Celebrations of families that
>>>
> have
> f
>
>> ound > e
>> ach other every time connections are made within the group.> > Congratulations and hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the > party and some others can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta > begin. It is time to celebrate! ! !> > what a wonderful Christmas present you two have given each other and > your families including us in the Nuestros Ranchos group.> > hohoho,> > joseph> > ===================> > Joseph Puentes> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>> _________________________________________________________________
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Hooray, I'm in!!
I do my research in spurts, so if you don't hear from me for awhile, don't think I'm gone!!
Merry Christmas (Feliz Navidad, mejor) to EVERYONE on this group. May your year be blessed, and may you want for nothing.
And to you Joseph, from your homie from Santa Paula, a big hug.
John

Joseph Puentes wrote:
John you are a lifetime member. Here are the circumstances that I would
unsubscribe you:

1) you asked to be unsubscribed
2) you became argumentative and disrupted the harmony of the group
3) dag-gone near everyone in group up and sent me an email asking me to
unsubscribe you. (you never know)
4) some other weird set of circumstances that I haven't thought about
but absolutely compelled me to unsubscribe you.
5) you decided to give up playing the harp

Merry Christmas,

joseph

ps: there were three confirmation emails and you did reply to all three
because you are currently subscribed to all three lists.

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

john robles wrote:
> There were three confirmation email?? Sometimes I get so much email I can't read it all and I just...well...dump it. So I hope I am not going to be dropped from the list!!!!
> Thanks
> John
>
> Joseph Puentes wrote:
> I'm so glad for you. Talking about people outside the group. Yesterday I
> activated the account of Gregorio Martinez (he hasn't replied to the
> three confirmation emails yet so he won't be getting this) whose only
> work is in Nuevo Leon, a genealogist friend of Welester. He has a very
> strong gut feeling that his ancestors also come from the Zacatecas area.
> As I told Welester we'll revisit the membership requirements in a year
> to see how much progress has be made in establishing a connection, so
> like wise I told him.
>
> Welester when you and Esther have a chance (maybe not until after the
> first of the year) send me in an email or genealogy report your
> connection to Zacatecas I guess from your Grandparents to your Zacatecas
> ancestors. I'll make up a private (for group members only) folder for
> you in the Files/Members Genealogies/"Alvarado, Welester" area of the
> group. it can be simple grandparents-->great grandparents--> etc. (with
> locations and dates on each)
>
> joseph
>
>
> Lester Alvarado wrote:
>
>> Helloooooo Joseph,
>>
>> Thanks to you and Esther , even though you weren't so sure about me , you stuck my by me and gave me the chance to complete part of my dream and as for my new found cousin Esther well, what can I say but out of sight but never out of mind . Really it was a nice Christmas gift for me . Esther you're a trooper , I'm proud to say that we are related .
>>
>> Many thanks to the both of you, from the bottom of my heart !!!!!
>>
>> Have a Very Merry Christmas and a Great New year !
>>
>> Welester
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:12:00 -0500> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration> > > I just wanted to say how happy I am for Esther and Welester to have > found each other after all these centuries. Imagine that, for a few > hundred years ago two families that lived with each other and knew each > other somehow got lost from each other. Then two people come along: > Esther and Welester and by diligent study discover each other are > cousins. And in a group that is focuses on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or > Aguascalientes. Welester your gut feeling that your Zaldivar's came from > Zacatecas even though in my mind was a long shot paid off in that Esther > was able to make the connection and re-establish a blood line that had > been lost to each other for such a long time.> > Don't worry about me everyone of the old timers in the group know that I > go off on one of these Joyful Celebrations of families that
>>>
> have
> f
>
>> ound > e
>> ach other every time connections are made within the group.> > Congratulations and hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the > party and some others can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta > begin. It is time to celebrate! ! !> > what a wonderful Christmas present you two have given each other and > your families including us in the Nuestros Ranchos group.> > hohoho,> > joseph> > ===================> > Joseph Puentes> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger.
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MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!
I know I've been quiet for a long time (to all the originals who know me).....but my research has stalled and I've been really busy at home...hope everyone is doing well!

Be safe!

Peggy Delgado

john robles wrote:
Hooray, I'm in!!
I do my research in spurts, so if you don't hear from me for awhile, don't think I'm gone!!
Merry Christmas (Feliz Navidad, mejor) to EVERYONE on this group. May your year be blessed, and may you want for nothing.
And to you Joseph, from your homie from Santa Paula, a big hug.
John

Joseph Puentes wrote:
John you are a lifetime member. Here are the circumstances that I would
unsubscribe you:

1) you asked to be unsubscribed
2) you became argumentative and disrupted the harmony of the group
3) dag-gone near everyone in group up and sent me an email asking me to
unsubscribe you. (you never know)
4) some other weird set of circumstances that I haven't thought about
but absolutely compelled me to unsubscribe you.
5) you decided to give up playing the harp

Merry Christmas,

joseph

ps: there were three confirmation emails and you did reply to all three
because you are currently subscribed to all three lists.

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

john robles wrote:
> There were three confirmation email?? Sometimes I get so much email I can't read it all and I just...well...dump it. So I hope I am not going to be dropped from the list!!!!
> Thanks
> John
>
> Joseph Puentes wrote:
> I'm so glad for you. Talking about people outside the group. Yesterday I
> activated the account of Gregorio Martinez (he hasn't replied to the
> three confirmation emails yet so he won't be getting this) whose only
> work is in Nuevo Leon, a genealogist friend of Welester. He has a very
> strong gut feeling that his ancestors also come from the Zacatecas area.
> As I told Welester we'll revisit the membership requirements in a year
> to see how much progress has be made in establishing a connection, so
> like wise I told him.
>
> Welester when you and Esther have a chance (maybe not until after the
> first of the year) send me in an email or genealogy report your
> connection to Zacatecas I guess from your Grandparents to your Zacatecas
> ancestors. I'll make up a private (for group members only) folder for
> you in the Files/Members Genealogies/"Alvarado, Welester" area of the
> group. it can be simple grandparents-->great grandparents--> etc. (with
> locations and dates on each)
>
> joseph
>
>
> Lester Alvarado wrote:
>
>> Helloooooo Joseph,
>>
>> Thanks to you and Esther , even though you weren't so sure about me , you stuck my by me and gave me the chance to complete part of my dream and as for my new found cousin Esther well, what can I say but out of sight but never out of mind . Really it was a nice Christmas gift for me . Esther you're a trooper , I'm proud to say that we are related .
>>
>> Many thanks to the both of you, from the bottom of my heart !!!!!
>>
>> Have a Very Merry Christmas and a Great New year !
>>
>> Welester
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:12:00 -0500> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration> > > I just wanted to say how happy I am for Esther and Welester to have > found each other after all these centuries. Imagine that, for a few > hundred years ago two families that lived with each other and knew each > other somehow got lost from each other. Then two people come along: > Esther and Welester and by diligent study discover each other are > cousins. And in a group that is focuses on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or > Aguascalientes. Welester your gut feeling that your Zaldivar's came from > Zacatecas even though in my mind was a long shot paid off in that Esther > was able to make the connection and re-establish a blood line that had > been lost to each other for such a long time.> > Don't worry about me everyone of the old timers in the group know that I > go off on one of these Joyful Celebrations of families that
>>>
> have
> f
>
>> ound > e
>> ach other every time connections are made within the group.> > Congratulations and hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the > party and some others can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta > begin. It is time to celebrate! ! !> > what a wonderful Christmas present you two have given each other and > your families including us in the Nuestros Ranchos group.> > hohoho,> > joseph> > ===================> > Joseph Puentes> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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