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Welester,

If you are in Monterrey and know Israel Cavazos Garza, could you do me a favor? Israel lives in Ciudad de Guadalupe I believe? He wrote book on the ciudad. Israel devotes a chaper in the book to El Tierra Dura in San Rafael I bielieve. The property belonged to the Sepulveda family. Israel mentions the will of Vicente SEpulveda Garza made in 1818. Vicente Sepulveda is my great great great grandfather.My grandfather Arturo Ayala y Robles was the son of Yldefonso Ayala y Spulveda and Porfiria Robles y Rivas and was born in Saltillo in 1868. His cousin was Vito Alessio RObles. Yldefonso Ayala was the son of Ramon Ayala and Refugia Sepulveda y Garza and born 1837 in Monterrey. Refugia was the daughter of Vicente Sepulveda y Garza and his second wife Maria Josefa Garza y Yslas a nd born in 1804 in Guadalupe Vicente Sepulveda was baptized in 1745 in Salinas Victoria. I would dearly like to have a copy or translation of the will. COuld you talk to him about getting a copy of
the w
ill? Also I am stuck on Maria Josefa Garza' father. I know his name was Joaquin Garza. I don't know the genealogy of Joaquin Garza. I know he married Antonia Margarita Yslas y Palacios f rom Lampazos. Anything to help me out with Joaquin Garza would be nice. I guess that is a big wish list.

Welester, I don't know if you have time for this but let me know if you can help or not. I would appreciate anything.

Thanks bvery much,
Esther
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Lester Alvarado : --------------

> Hi Alicia ,
>
> I'm Welester and I am currently living in Monterrey , Mexico however I am
> American and was born and raised in Los Angeles , Calif. and up until I moved to
> Monterrey I lived in Marina del Rey , Ca.
> I started my family research when I was 9 yrs. old I say this because it started
> with my name ( Welester ) growing up in L.A. was not easy for a little mexican
> boy in East L.A. at first til I was in the 7th grade . All the kids would make
> fun of me cuz name wasn't Paul , Tommy , George or whatever and sometimes had to
> fight because of my name so, one day I asked my dad whom I called POP " Where
> did my name come from " and as fast as I asked him , he snapped back at me and
> said " WHY DON'T YOU LIKE IT ! " I sunk back into my seat and said " yea I like
> it " and that was that !
> Believe it or not this is what made my want to learn more about the family .
>
> Now , to get to some of your questions on , is the grass greener on the other
> side . I went to the Mormon church on Santa Monica Blvd. in L.A. about 27 yrs
> ago and asked for help , unfortunately in those days they were not as eager as
> they are today to help a non member of the church so they sent me off to the
> micro-film room and showed me the cabinet of films and basically said how bout .
> Didn't get very far and became discouraged and left .
> Years later I tinkered some more but still no luck , I asked Pop about some
> things but he always seemed not to remember . I asked my aunt , his sister and
> she always painted a real sweet , beautiful picture in my mind about how it used
> to be , nothing else .
> Now , 5 yrs. ago I sold one of my two companies and decided that I would go to
> Monterrey , Mexico for one year and quickly do all my family research , thinking
> , since I will be in Monterrey and Pop is from there it should be a breeze ,
> right ... WRONG ! Guess again .
> There are files in the archives that are damaged beyond repair , people who
> outright refuse to deal with you because to them you're still a gringo .
>
> Grant you there are many many very good people , it just seems that the meanies
> all work for the goverment or the church . I've had to adjust alot and now know
> that most of it is Culture shock . Once you recognize it you can manage it much
> easier . I have been helped by some very nice people and I have had problems
> with others .
> I visited the Mormon church here and asked for help , they were very helpful and
> still are , I think they consider me a potential future member of the church ;-)
> Once they showed my how to navigate the familysearch web sight , things began to
> happen . I was befriended by Gregorio who is the person in charge of helping the
> stakes or Family History Centers to get thier genealogy centers moving . I
> assist him every once in awhile to these centers and do what I can to teach the
> members how to start thiere PAF's and in return I get help from them on my
> research .
> I don't have much experience with other groups , I have heard about some but
> from my own experience NuestrosRanchos seems to me to be very professional and
> detailed for the serious genealogist . I admire Joseph and respect him very much
> for having this sight for people like me and all the others .
> I kinda already answered your second question on , is it easier here or there
> but just incase I wasn't clear I would say no , it's not that much easier the
> people here are like the ones back home , pretty much not interested in thiere
> genealogy . I come from a family of 9 , six boys and three girls and I'm the
> only one interested in the search . I keep everybody posted on new finds and
> usually get responses like hmmm that's nice , HEY how bout them Lakers .
> I am in no way saying not to come and visit the places of your ancestors by any
> means , I'm just saying it's nice here there are some drawbacks but more good
> than bad . I have had the honor of visiting Zacatecas , Zacatecas but
> unfortunately I was unable to do any research there. I plan on going back there
> this coming new year and staying a few days .
>
> I have met several historians here like Isarel Cavazos , Arq. Jose Garza
> Carrillo , Gregorio Martinez and several others who have been helpful and have
> invited me to some of their meetings . Things are looking up here and one of the
> biggest things to have happened to me is to become a member of the
> NuestrosRanchos group from the other side , go figure I had to come to Mexico to
> become a member of a group from the states to advance in my search for my family
> , you gotta love it !
>
> If anyone in the group is ever in Monterrey , PLEASE look me up , it would be a
> pleasure and an honor to meet you and to help you any way I can .
>
> Your friend from the other DOWN UNDER ,
> Welester
>
> P.S. My grandfather was Carrillo from Chihuahua , Juarez . Arq.Jose Garza
> Carrillo says that two Carrillo brothers' came from Zacatecas , one went toward
> Nuevo Leon and the other to Chihuahua . I'm trying to connect those dots as well
> .
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 11:09:57 -0800> From: alliecar@pacbell.net> To:
> research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Bienvenido Juan> >
> Juan,> > Bienvenido a Nuestros Ranchos!! Desde que Arturo tomo lo que era
> anteriormente el Grupo de Yahoo llamado "Ranchos" y lo convirtio en lo que hoy
> es "Nuestros Ranchos" han ingresado mas integrantes Mexicanos, o sea que son
> residentes de Mexico. He tenido la curiosidad de preguntar el porque se han
> interesado mas gentes de Mexico en ingresar a un grupo que funciona mas de 75%
> en ingles? Tambien he querido preguntar si es que existe un grupo semejante
> dentro de Mexico? Si es que existe, sera posible que los que andamos perdidos
> por el USA podriamos ser miembros de tal grupo?> > Ahora otra pregunta a todos
> los que viven en Mexico, creen ustedes que porque viven en Mexico se les
> facilita la busqueda de sus ancestros? Tienen mas recursos en cuestion de los
> Archivos Parroquiales y registros civiles o usan principalmente los archivos
> microfilmados de La Iglesia de Los Mormones? Que ventaja tienen los residentes
> Mexicanos que no tienen los que viven fuera de Mexico? Espero que no les moleste
> que haga semejantes preguntas y que no crean que es falta de respeto porque no
> es mi intencion. Es que he pensado que algun dia me gustaria pasar un par de
> meses en Mexico en mi tierra natal para dedicarme a los estudios genealogicos y
> no se si el esfuerzo seria valioso o no.> > Mi nombre es Alicia Carrillo y como
> has de saber en Los Estados Unidos Americanos la mujer deja su apellido para
> tomar el de su esposo. Carrillo es el apellido de mi esposo. Mi nombre de
> nacimiento es Alicia Avelar, Olmos, Aguayo, Ruiz y hasta hoy la mayoria de mis
> ancestros provienen de Nochistlan Zacatecas, Jalpa Zacatecas y Pabellon Rincon
> de Romos Aguascalientes y sus alrededores mas cercanos. Si es que creen que sea
> fructifero el estar en Mexico para hacer los estudios en Mexico, quizas
> intentaremos pasar unos meses durante el verano y visitar los archivos de dichos
> pueblos o ciudades.> > Muchas Gracias y disculpe mi gramatica en espa

Hiya Cuz ,

Sure , I will try to get in touch with Don Israel and ask him on the info that he has , I'm not sure but he may want a little dinero but like I said I will ask him . There are a group of people here that I can also ask one of them is Arq. Jose Garza Carrillo he has been helping me quite a bit .
Give me til after the new year when the dust settles and I will venture out for you .

My very best to you and your family ,

Welester

> From: eaherold@att.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 05:34:24 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Israel Cavazos Garza> > Welester,> > If you are in Monterrey and know Israel Cavazos Garza, could you do me a favor? Israel lives in Ciudad de Guadalupe I believe? He wrote book on the ciudad. Israel devotes a chaper in the book to El Tierra Dura in San Rafael I bielieve. The property belonged to the Sepulveda family. Israel mentions the will of Vicente SEpulveda Garza made in 1818. Vicente Sepulveda is my great great great grandfather.My grandfather Arturo Ayala y Robles was the son of Yldefonso Ayala y Spulveda and Porfiria Robles y Rivas and was born in Saltillo in 1868. His cousin was Vito Alessio RObles. Yldefonso Ayala was the son of Ramon Ayala and Refugia Sepulveda y Garza and born 1837 in Monterrey. Refugia was the daughter of Vicente Sepulveda y Garza and his second wife Maria Josefa Garza y Yslas a nd born in 1804 in Guadalupe Vicente Sepulveda was baptized in 1745 in Salinas Victoria. I would dearly like to have a copy or translation of the will. COuld you talk to him about getting a copy of> the w> ill? Also I am stuck on Maria Josefa Garza' father. I know his name was Joaquin Garza. I don't know the genealogy of Joaquin Garza. I know he married Antonia Margarita Yslas y Palacios f rom Lampazos. Anything to help me out with Joaquin Garza would be nice. I guess that is a big wish list.> > Welester, I don't know if you have time for this but let me know if you can help or not. I would appreciate anything.> > > Thanks bvery much,> Esther> --> Esther A. Herold> > > -------------- Original message from Lester Alvarado : -------------- > > > > Hi Alicia , > > > > I'm Welester and I am currently living in Monterrey , Mexico however I am > > American and was born and raised in Los Angeles , Calif. and up until I moved to > > Monterrey I lived in Marina del Rey , Ca. > > I started my family research when I was 9 yrs. old I say this because it started > > with my name ( Welester ) growing up in L.A. was not easy for a little mexican > > boy in East L.A. at first til I was in the 7th grade . All the kids would make > > fun of me cuz name wasn't Paul , Tommy , George or whatever and sometimes had to > > fight because of my name so, one day I asked my dad whom I called POP " Where > > did my name come from " and as fast as I asked him , he snapped back at me and > > said " WHY DON'T YOU LIKE IT ! " I sunk back into my seat and said " yea I like > > it " and that was that ! > > Believe it or not this is what made my want to learn more about the family . > > > > Now , to get to some of your questions on , is the grass greener on the other > > side . I went to the Mormon church on Santa Monica Blvd. in L.A. about 27 yrs > > ago and asked for help , unfortunately in those days they were not as eager as > > they are today to help a non member of the church so they sent me off to the > > micro-film room and showed me the cabinet of films and basically said how bout . > > Didn't get very far and became discouraged and left . > > Years later I tinkered some more but still no luck , I asked Pop about some > > things but he always seemed not to remember . I asked my aunt , his sister and > > she always painted a real sweet , beautiful picture in my mind about how it used > > to be , nothing else . > > Now , 5 yrs. ago I sold one of my two companies and decided that I would go to > > Monterrey , Mexico for one year and quickly do all my family research , thinking > > , since I will be in Monterrey and Pop is from there it should be a breeze , > > right ... WRONG ! Guess again . > > There are files in the archives that are damaged beyond repair , people who > > outright refuse to deal with you because to them you're still a gringo . > > > > Grant you there are many many very good people , it just seems that the meanies > > all work for the goverment or the church . I've had to adjust alot and now know > > that most of it is Culture shock . Once you recognize it you can manage it much > > easier . I have been helped by some very nice people and I have had problems > > with others . > > I visited the Mormon church here and asked for help , they were very helpful and > > still are , I think they consider me a potential future member of the church ;-) > > Once they showed my how to navigate the familysearch web sight , things began to > > happen . I was befriended by Gregorio who is the person in charge of helping the > > stakes or Family History Centers to get thier genealogy centers moving . I > > assist him every once in awhile to these centers and do what I can to teach the > > members how to start thiere PAF's and in return I get help from them on my > > research . > > I don't have much experience with other groups , I have heard about some but > > from my own experience NuestrosRanchos seems to me to be very professional and > > detailed for the serious genealogist . I admire Joseph and respect him very much > > for having this sight for people like me and all the others . > > I kinda already answered your second question on , is it easier here or there > > but just incase I wasn't clear I would say no , it's not that much easier the > > people here are like the ones back home , pretty much not interested in thiere > > genealogy . I come from a family of 9 , six boys and three girls and I'm the > > only one interested in the search . I keep everybody posted on new finds and > > usually get responses like hmmm that's nice , HEY how bout them Lakers . > > I am in no way saying not to come and visit the places of your ancestors by any > > means , I'm just saying it's nice here there are some drawbacks but more good > > than bad . I have had the honor of visiting Zacatecas , Zacatecas but > > unfortunately I was unable to do any research there. I plan on going back there > > this coming new year and staying a few days . > > > > I have met several historians here like Isarel Cavazos , Arq. Jose Garza > > Carrillo , Gregorio Martinez and several others who have been helpful and have > > invited me to some of their meetings . Things are looking up here and one of the > > biggest things to have happened to me is to become a member of the > > NuestrosRanchos group from the other side , go figure I had to come to Mexico to > > become a member of a group from the states to advance in my search for my family > > , you gotta love it ! > > > > If anyone in the group is ever in Monterrey , PLEASE look me up , it would be a > > pleasure and an honor to meet you and to help you any way I can . > > > > Your friend from the other DOWN UNDER , > > Welester > > > > P.S. My grandfather was Carrillo from Chihuahua , Juarez . Arq.Jose Garza > > Carrillo says that two Carrillo brothers' came from Zacatecas , one went toward > > Nuevo Leon and the other to Chihuahua . I'm trying to connect those dots as well > > . > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 11:09:57 -0800> From: alliecar@pacbell.net> To: > > research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Bienvenido Juan> > > > Juan,> > Bienvenido a Nuestros Ranchos!! Desde que Arturo tomo lo que era > > anteriormente el Grupo de Yahoo llamado "Ranchos" y lo convirtio en lo que hoy > > es "Nuestros Ranchos" han ingresado mas integrantes Mexicanos, o sea que son > > residentes de Mexico. He tenido la curiosidad de preguntar el porque se han > > interesado mas gentes de Mexico en ingresar a un grupo que funciona mas de 75% > > en ingles? Tambien he querido preguntar si es que existe un grupo semejante > > dentro de Mexico? Si es que existe, sera posible que los que andamos perdidos > > por el USA podriamos ser miembros de tal grupo?> > Ahora otra pregunta a todos > > los que viven en Mexico, creen ustedes que porque viven en Mexico se les > > facilita la busqueda de sus ancestros? Tienen mas recursos en cuestion de los > > Archivos Parroquiales y registros civiles o usan principalmente los archivos > > microfilmados de La Iglesia de Los Mormones? Que ventaja tienen los residentes > > Mexicanos que no tienen los que viven fuera de Mexico? Espero que no les moleste > > que haga semejantes preguntas y que no crean que es falta de respeto porque no > > es mi intencion. Es que he pensado que algun dia me gustaria pasar un par de > > meses en Mexico en mi tierra natal para dedicarme a los estudios genealogicos y > > no se si el esfuerzo seria valioso o no.> > Mi nombre es Alicia Carrillo y como > > has de saber en Los Estados Unidos Americanos la mujer deja su apellido para > > tomar el de su esposo. Carrillo es el apellido de mi esposo. Mi nombre de > > nacimiento es Alicia Avelar, Olmos, Aguayo, Ruiz y hasta hoy la mayoria de mis > > ancestros provienen de Nochistlan Zacatecas, Jalpa Zacatecas y Pabellon Rincon > > de Romos Aguascalientes y sus alrededores mas cercanos. Si es que creen que sea > > fructifero el estar en Mexico para hacer los estudios en Mexico, quizas > > intentaremos pasar unos meses durante el verano y visitar los archivos de dichos > > pueblos o ciudades.> > Muchas Gracias y disculpe mi gramatica en español. Aunque > > naci en Mexico, vivo en San José, Calif desde le edad de dos años. Nunca estudie > > el español y lo hablo y escribo malamente pero hago el intento, salga como > > salga.> > Atentamente,> Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo> > > > > > > ----- > > Original Message ----> From: Juan Luis Gomez > To: > > research@nuestrosranchos.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 11:33:42 PM> > > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Presentarme al grupo> > > Agradezco al grupo por > > aceptarme participar en nuestros ranchos; espero poder entender las reglas del > > grupo y aprender como puedo participar. > Muchas gracias. > Juan Luis Gomez> > > > __________________________________________________> Correo Yahoo!> Espacio para > > todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! > Regístrate ya - > > http://correo.yahoo.com.mx/ > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros > > Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> > > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> > > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Try amazing new 3D maps > > http://maps.live.com/?wip=51 > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List > > > > To post, send email to: > > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org > > > > To change your subscription, log on to: > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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