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Hello - I am having a difficult time trying to find my great grandfather's family history. His name is Blas Gutierrez and he supposedly was born in Sauceda de la Borda, Zacatecas Mexico in 1844. He died in Los Angeles on September 1, 1911. He was married to Maria Zubiate Cisneros born 1859, she died Dec. 7, 1908 in Los Angeles, California. I found his internment record and tried to find more information through the mortuary with no luck.
I don't have another surname for Blas but my mom's oldest sister says she remembers that he might have had another first name of Cornelio. I haven't been able to find a Cornlio Blas Gutierrez yet. But I also wonder if Blas is a nickname for another first name, for example I have seen "Nelli" used as a nickname for Manuela",or "Cuca" for Refugia. He did have family in Los Angeles who came in the early 1900's and they were the Chavez's of Los Angeles. Perhaps I can search on the other first name.

I was hoping to have some success researching the Gutierrez line by following Blas Gutierrez's cousins.
The following people are related to Blas Gutierrez but I'm not exactly sure how he connects with them (1st cousin, uncle, brother). :

Maximo Gutierrez & Perfecta De La Rosa
Married Feb. 15, 1863 in San Juan Bautista,
Panuco Zacatecas, Mexico

Children:
Candelario Gutierrez & Anastasia Martinez
Married Jul 10, 1882, Sauceda de la Borda, Zacatecas Mexico

Maria Ynes Gutierrez & Gerardo Chavez
Married Feb. 4, 1884 San Juan Bautista, Panuco, Zacatecas Mexico
Gerardo age at Marriage: 19
Maria Ynes age at Marriage: 18

Thanks for any research recommendations on Zacatecas parishes or information on the Gutierrez/Chavez line from Zacatecas.
Yolanda

Yolanda:

If you have credible evidence that Blas Gutierrez was born in La Sauceda de la Borda, Zacatecas, then you should start by identifying what church he might have been baptized in. La Sauceda used to be a municipality in Zacatecas (look at the Cubas Diccionario Geografico from the links section of the site and look up simply "Sauceda"). There is no such municipality now, though from my meager research it looks like La Sauceda would now be part of Veta Grande.

If you look in the familysearch.org website and look up Sauceda de la Borda, you will note that the local parish is San Juan Bautista and that they have the following films for the region:

Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1861-1862, 1867- 1869, 1876-1884
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1884-1896
Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1896-1917
Información matrimonial 1869-1871, 1877-1880
Información matrimonial 1880-1884
Información matrimonial 1884-1889
Información matrimonial 1890-1900

That means that the parrish did not exist when your ancestor was born in 1844 and he would have had to been baptized in a nearby town's parrish... perhaps Panuco or Vetagrande?

Vetagrande's records begin in 1756 but they are missing baptism records for the 1840 and 1850s...

Panuco's records begin even earlier in 1684, but they are likewise missing baptism records for most of the 1840s...

I would suspect that your ancestor was in one of those two church's baptism records but they are now lost or destroyed and that is why you are having so much trouble finding him. Do you know if he was married in Mexico or the United States?

Blas is a full name, not a nickname. I also have an ancestor named Blas Gutierrez:

http://www.ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I414

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Hello there,
I see where you are looking for BLAS GUTIERREZ from Zacatecas. That;s a pretty "recent"
time, the mid 1800;s.

I , too, am looking for people in Zacatecas, but much from much earlier time, so that is
even harder. I am looking for people in the late 1600's! imagine that.

I will be home in Texas after the 13 of Jan. and I have some sources that I got from an Index
book here in Santa Barbara, Ca.in one of the libraries. They give the fax and telephone numbers for different government entities for several states, including Zacatecas, Jalisco, and
Tamaulpas..

I will be happy to pass on that information. Frankly, I have not communicated with any of those offices because I am "working" on several different families and I keep getting side-
tracked.

Good luck! I know the feeling. Once you start on genealogy it just gets in your blood and you just can;t quit or give up. I keep telling myself, "somewhere out there there is someone who knows about these people".I guess it's that "hope" that keeps one going.

Juanita G., Delgado

Hello - I am having a difficult time trying to find my great grandfather's family history. His name is Blas Gutierrez and he supposedly was born in Sauceda de la Borda, Zacatecas Mexico in 1844. He died in Los Angeles on September 1, 1911. He was married to Maria Zubiate Cisneros born 1859, she died Dec. 7, 1908 in Los Angeles, California. I found his internment record and tried to find more information through the mortuary with no luck.
I don't have another surname for Blas but my mom's oldest sister says she remembers that he might have had another first name of Cornelio. I haven't been able to find a Cornlio Blas Gutierrez yet. But I also wonder if Blas is a nickname for another first name, for example I have seen "Nelli" used as a nickname for Manuela",or "Cuca" for Refugia. He did have family in Los Angeles who came in the early 1900's and they were the Chavez's of Los Angeles. Perhaps I can search on the other first name.

I was hoping to have some success researching the Gutierrez line by following Blas Gutierrez's cousins.
The following people are related to Blas Gutierrez but I'm not exactly sure how he connects with them (1st cousin, uncle, brother). :

Maximo Gutierrez & Perfecta De La Rosa
Married Feb. 15, 1863 in San Juan Bautista,
Panuco Zacatecas, Mexico

Children:
Candelario Gutierrez & Anastasia Martinez
Married Jul 10, 1882, Sauceda de la Borda, Zacatecas Mexico

Maria Ynes Gutierrez & Gerardo Chavez
Married Feb. 4, 1884 San Juan Bautista, Panuco, Zacatecas Mexico
Gerardo age at Marriage: 19
Maria Ynes age at Marriage: 18

Thanks for any research recommendations on Zacatecas parishes or information on the Gutierrez/Chavez line from Zacatecas.
Yolanda

Hi, again,
Have you tried looking for Blas Gutierrez in the US census - in the state of California. I found
interesting information in the Texas censuses last year in looking for some of my people. In some libraries you can access that site free, otherwise, the Ancestry.com people come in wanting you to join. Of course, it might be worth it, but you might try an LDS library where they have that site free.

good luck

Juanita g. delgado

juanita delgado wrote:
Hello there,
I see where you are looking for BLAS GUTIERREZ from Zacatecas. That;s a pretty "recent"
time, the mid 1800;s.

I , too, am looking for people in Zacatecas, but much from much earlier time, so that is
even harder. I am looking for people in the late 1600's! imagine that.

I will be home in Texas after the 13 of Jan. and I have some sources that I got from an Index
book here in Santa Barbara, Ca.in one of the libraries. They give the fax and telephone numbers for different government entities for several states, including Zacatecas, Jalisco, and
Tamaulpas..

I will be happy to pass on that information. Frankly, I have not communicated with any of those offices because I am "working" on several different families and I keep getting side-
tracked.

Good luck! I know the feeling. Once you start on genealogy it just gets in your blood and you just can;t quit or give up. I keep telling myself, "somewhere out there there is someone who knows about these people".I guess it's that "hope" that keeps one going.

Juanita G., Delgado

Hello - I am having a difficult time trying to find my great grandfather's family history. His name is Blas Gutierrez and he supposedly was born in Sauceda de la Borda, Zacatecas Mexico in 1844. He died in Los Angeles on September 1, 1911. He was married to Maria Zubiate Cisneros born 1859, she died Dec. 7, 1908 in Los Angeles, California. I found his internment record and tried to find more information through the mortuary with no luck.
I don't have another surname for Blas but my mom's oldest sister says she remembers that he might have had another first name of Cornelio. I haven't been able to find a Cornlio Blas Gutierrez yet. But I also wonder if Blas is a nickname for another first name, for example I have seen "Nelli" used as a nickname for Manuela",or "Cuca" for Refugia. He did have family in Los Angeles who came in the early 1900's and they were the Chavez's of Los Angeles. Perhaps I can search on the other first name.

I was hoping to have some success researching the Gutierrez line by following Blas Gutierrez's cousins.
The following people are related to Blas Gutierrez but I'm not exactly sure how he connects with them (1st cousin, uncle, brother). :

Maximo Gutierrez & Perfecta De La Rosa
Married Feb. 15, 1863 in San Juan Bautista,
Panuco Zacatecas, Mexico

Children:
Candelario Gutierrez & Anastasia Martinez
Married Jul 10, 1882, Sauceda de la Borda, Zacatecas Mexico

Maria Ynes Gutierrez & Gerardo Chavez
Married Feb. 4, 1884 San Juan Bautista, Panuco, Zacatecas Mexico
Gerardo age at Marriage: 19
Maria Ynes age at Marriage: 18

Thanks for any research recommendations on Zacatecas parishes or information on the Gutierrez/Chavez line from Zacatecas.
Yolanda

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