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Hi,
my name is Veronica Lopez. My parents and most of my grandparents come from
JALPA, ZACATECAS. I understand from reading previous posts that the records
for that town are very skimpy.

My maternal grandfather's name was Juvenal VIRAMONTES. He had at least 3
siblings (Benjamin, Ramiro, Enriqueta) but from what I understand, they were
raised by an aunt and uncle. According to my mother's birth certificate, my
grandfather's father's name was Benjamin Viramontes and his mother's name
was Antonia RENTERIA.

My paternal grandmother's name was Concepcion MAGALLANES and she was the
daughter of Concepcion Magallanes (father) and Simona BECERRA. Simona's
father (my gg grandfather) was Lino BECERRA.

My paternal grandfather's name was Prudenciano LOPEZ, son of Anastacio Lopez
and Clara GONZALEZ.

Most of what I know is from my father's memory and most of what he remembers
(surprisingly well) are names of many cousins and aunts and uncles.

I'm not sure where to start, so I'd appreciate any help.

Veronica

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Hi Veronica,
What is your fathers name. I came across a Juvenal Viramontes that is the Ancestry Border Crossings. He was born in Jal. Zac, but it also states that his father's name is also Juvenal and that is mothers name is Carmen Mendez.

Yvonne

One my maternal grandfather Jorge Carlos from Huejucar, had a sister named Sixta Carlos who married into the Viramontes family. May be there's a connection?
Descendants of José Marcos Viramontes

1 José Marcos Viramontes - 1893
.. +María Trinidad Caldera - 1893
........ 2 Teodoro Viramontes 1864 -
............ +Ma. Ladislao Alvarez - 1893
........ *2nd Wife of Teodoro Viramontes:
............ +Sixta Carlos 1867 - 1908
................... 3 Regino Viramontes 1905 -
........ 2 José Silvestre Viramontes - 1898
............ +Josefa LARES 1847 - 1911

José Carlos de León

Please remember to keep in mind that not everyone from the same place with the same surname is related. Some are Espanol and others were Indio, Mulato or Mestizo who were given or took the surnames. Also don't discard surnames spelled differently. In my own records I had to make the choice of spelling it Miramontes or Viramontes since the records for the same families contained both. I ended up putting all Miramontes/ Viramontes in Jerez Zacatecas as Miramontes with the resource record giving the other spelling, I try to include resource records on all entries.

Happy hunting, Linda in Everett

Veronica Lopez wrote:

Those names don't sound familiar. But we are probably related, as are all Viramontes probably. I need to do some research.

That's interesting. That sounds like it could be my uncle. I have an uncle who is named Juvenal Viramontes, like my maternal grandfather. My maternal grandmother's name was Carmen Valles, but her half-siblings were all Mendez. I think her mother remarried a Mendez. My uncle is still alive and living in Mexico, though not in Jalpa, zacatecas.

Very cool! I looked in Ancestry border crossings and found original documents for my uncle as well my grandmother and my mother. It seems that my grandmother would bring her kids across the border from Juarez in the 1940s. One says my mother is 7 years old. Another has a picture of all of them. I didn't really learn anything new but it's still pretty neat.

Yes Veronica, and there is a card for the ones who crossed with her.
I don't know if you got those names,
Carmen crossed in 1941
Elvira crossed twice as well
and there is an Estela

Yvonne

yes, Estela is my mother. She got very sentimental when I told her I had
found these.

Veronica

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I don't think you should go into the Huanusco films yet... Because eventhough Los Soyates was like 5 mins from as Im told from Jalpa, it really borders it. Most Soyates people did go to Tabasco. -Dániel

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Did Juevenal Viramontes die in California? I have some info on this Juvenal not sure if it's him though?The records for Jalpa aren't SkimpY! THERE ALL IN TABASCO! As I know Jalpa wasn't always Jalpa, it used to be part of Huanusco and Tabasco. But later the GOv't made Jalpa its own municipio. There wasnt a church at the TIME! SO they had to build one. pre-that and even still records are in Tabasco or Huanusco.

Juvenal VIRAMONTES?

Birth Date:
27 Jul 1906

Death Date:
6 Apr 1989

Social Security Number:
550-96-0538

State or Territory Where Number Was Issued:
California
*You should start in the Jalpa films though, this can be used as a substitute if you ca't find any info
from the Jalpa films.Films for Catedral de Santa María de Mecatabasco, Tabasco, Zacatecas, México
Bautismos 1747-1776 - FHL INTL Film [ 1094622 ]Bautismos 1776-1793 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1094623 ]Bautismos 1793-1809 - FHL INTL Film [ 1094624 ]Bautismos 1809-1826 - FHL INTL Film [ 1094625 ]Bautismos 1826-1838 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1094626 ]Bautismos 1838-1861 - FHL INTL Film [ 1094627 ]Bautismos 1861-1869 - FHL INTL Film [ 1094628 ]Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1869-1873 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1094629 ]Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1873-1880 - FHL INTL Film [ 1094630 ]Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1880-1889 - FHL INTL Film [ 1094631 ]Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1889-1894 - FHL INTL Film [ 1094632 ]Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1894-1900 - FHL INTL Film [ 1094633 ]Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1900-1903 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1094634 ]Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1903-1907 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1094635 ]Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1907-1912 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1094636 ]Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1912-1919 - FHL INTL Film [ 1094637 ]Bautismos de hijos naturales 1859-1885 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1094638 ]Bautismos de hijos naturales 1885-1919 - FHL INTL Film [ 1094873 ]Confirmaciones 1868-1896,1901-1911,1916-1924 - FHL INTL Film [ 1094874 ]Matrimonios 1774-1782,1787-1835 - FHL INTL Film [ 1094875 ]Matrimonios 1835-1857,1862-1875 - FHL INTL Film [ 1094876 ]Matrimonios 1875-1894,1896-1901 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1094877 ]Matrimonios 1901-1909 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1094878 ]Matrimonios 1909-1920 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1094879 ]Información matrimonial 1842-1848 - FHL INTL Film [ 1094880 ]Información matrimonial 1848-1854 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1094881 ]Información matrimonial 1854-1856,1858-1863 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1094882 ]Información matrimonial 1861-1868 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1094883 ]Información matrimonial 1868-1872 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1094884 ]Información matrimonial 1872-1874 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1094885 ]Información matrimonial 1875-1877 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1094886 ]Información matrimonial 1878-1882 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1094887 ]Información matrimonial 1882-1886 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1094888 ]Información matrimonial 1887-1890 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1094889 ]Información matrimonial 1890-1897 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1094890 ]Información matrimonial 1897-1898 - FHL INTL Film [ 1094891 ]Información matrimonial 1899 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1094892 ]Información matrimonial 1900 - FHL INTL Film [ 1095010 ]Información matrimonial 1901 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1095011 ]Información matrimonial 1902-1903 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1095012 ]Información matrimonial 1903-1904 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1095013 ]Información matrimonial 1904 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1095014 ]Información matrimonial 1905 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1095015 ]Información matrimonial 1906-1907 - FHL INTL Film [ 1095016 ]Información matrimonial 1908-1909 - FHL INTL Film [ 1095017 ]Información matrimonial 1910 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1095135 ]Información matrimonial 1911-1912 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1095136 ]Información matrimonial 1912 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1095137 ]Información matrimonial 1913 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1095138 ]Información matrimonial 1914-1916 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1095139 ]Información matrimonial 1916-1919 - FHL INTL Film [ 1095140 ]Información matrimonial 1918-1919 - FHL INTL Film [ 1095141 ]Información matrimonial 1920-1921 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1095142 ]Defunciones 1774-1788 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1095143 ]Defunciones 1814-1833 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1095144 ]Defunciones 1833-1853,1861-1868 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1095145 ]Defunciones 1869-1919 - FHL INTL Film [ 1095146 ]

Films for The Refugio Parish Capilla in Tabasco, (Same city different Church)
Información matrimonial 1864-1893 - FHL INTL Film [ 1506883 Items 3-6 ]Información matrimonial 1893-1917 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1506884 ]Información matrimonial 1917-1924, 1927 - VAULT INTL Film [ 1506935 Items 1-3 ]

-Dániel Méndez del Camino
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Veronica:

Welcome to the group. I am sure you will find plenty of people here willing to help.

As far as Jalpa records, you are correct in that they are skimpy. There appears to have been loss of most of the records probably in a war or a fire. If you do a search on the site, there are members who have been able to research genealogy and microhistory nevertheless.

I think given the approximate dates of the ancestors for whom you have details, you should be able to find some records. Jalpa does not appear to be indexed (given the late years and paucity of the records). So that means you will basically have to look through the films.

Your great-grandparents appear to have been born around 1880 and probably married around 1900 so their baptisms might not be in the church records, but your grandparents likely are. Many baptism records post-1820 or so and nearly all civil registry records include grandparents' names so your grandparents' baptisms/birth registry will list your great-grandparents and great-great grandparents' names.

Also your great grandparents' marriage records are likely in the informacion matrimonial films from Jalpa and those will likewise list your great-great-grandparents' names. In fact, because the informacion matrimonial goes back to 1864, you should be able to find even your great-great-grandparents' marriages from which you can get their parents' names. Then there is a 36 year gap which you may or may not be able to overcome but you can cross that bridge when you get to it... seems like you have plenty to work with for now.

From http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp

JALPA CHURCH RECORDS
Bautismos 1909-1919 VAULT INTL Film 1158671
Confirmaciones 1880-1900 FHL INTL Film 1158672 Item 1
Información matrimonial 1864-1875 FHL INTL Film 1511832 Items 3-4
Información matrimonial 1874-1897 VAULT INTL Film 1511824
Información matrimonial 1898-1904 VAULT INTL Film 1511825
Información matrimonial 1905-1923 VAULT INTL Film 1511833
Información matrimonial 1923-1924 FHL INTL Film 1506870 Item 1
Información matrimonial 1944 FHL INTL Film 1158673 Item 3
Matrimonios 1827-1838, 1913-1918 FHL INTL Film 1158672 Items 2-4
Matrimonios 1917-1920 FHL INTL Film 1158673 Items 1-2
Defunciones 1814-1917 FHL INTL Film 1158673 Items 4-5

JALPA CIVIL REGISTRY
Nacimientos 1896-1898 VAULT INTL Film 773877
Nacimientos 1899-1902 VAULT INTL Film 773878
Nacimientos 1903-1905 VAULT INTL Film 773879
Nacimientos 1906-1909 VAULT INTL Film 773880

Hello! My parents from Huanusco a city next to Jalpa, we've done some, little research on the Viramontes family! They came from Los Soyates, it's a rancho now but used to be part of our Hacienda before the Revolution. I hopw something I have will help you mines mostly from 1850-1890's period. Also note that people from Jalpa also went to Tabasco, ZAcatecas to baptise their children or the chapel in Ciudad Huanusco or even Capillas of La Palma or our's which is called LA Luz. The viramontes originally came from Calvillo before going to Jalpa. I guess there's many possibilities where you ancestors could have been baptized, Tabasco was the most likely because it was the Cathedral, the Main Parish in that area. Ive looked through many Tabasco films and found many Viramontes. I only got the Viramontes that were related to me. Later I found they were all related! GOSH, I should have got all of them. I knew it. It's possible we might be related. Since almost everyone in Calvillo, Tabasco and Huanusco and Jalpa intermarried for hundreds of years, too the point where everyone was related today. In my case the Hacienda de Nuestra Señora de la Lúz del Camino (Note "Camino" is my last name! )It's really funny to me.) Was started by 7 or so spanish families I only descend from 6. These families intermarried for A LONG TIME, sometimes within their own own family like Camino married a Camino and a Vasquez married a Camino
then the first Camino's son married the second Vasquez/camino couple's daughter, and so on. We had a "rulebook" on how the children were to marry. It's complicated, I dont really want to get into on this topic since it's totally off topic. Maybe another time. -Dániel Méndez del Camino
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I have a number of Viramontes cousins within my family. They all seem to have come from Jalpa or Aguascalientes. As you may know yourself or if you visit Jalpa there is an abundance of Viramontes living there. My email is tehuima2@yahoo.com

Veronica Lopez wrote:
Hi,
my name is Veronica Lopez. My parents and most of my grandparents come from
JALPA, ZACATECAS. I understand from reading previous posts that the records
for that town are very skimpy.

My maternal grandfather's name was Juvenal VIRAMONTES. He had at least 3
siblings (Benjamin, Ramiro, Enriqueta) but from what I understand, they were
raised by an aunt and uncle. According to my mother's birth certificate, my
grandfather's father's name was Benjamin Viramontes and his mother's name
was Antonia RENTERIA.

My paternal grandmother's name was Concepcion MAGALLANES and she was the
daughter of Concepcion Magallanes (father) and Simona BECERRA. Simona's
father (my gg grandfather) was Lino BECERRA.

My paternal grandfather's name was Prudenciano LOPEZ, son of Anastacio Lopez
and Clara GONZALEZ.

Most of what I know is from my father's memory and most of what he remembers
(surprisingly well) are names of many cousins and aunts and uncles.

I'm not sure where to start, so I'd appreciate any help.

Veronica

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16506

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