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I made a table about the Mendoza family showing how they married into several prominant spanish families and the many surnames they created. I think it could help us look at the big picture. I've never knew how important this family was. Just today, i found 4 mor Mendoza lines conncecting back to Toribio and Isabel, that brings me to a total of 14 and I have about 3 more that Im trying my best to connect but no luck. This table hopefully helps someone in the group. This shows the many "Mendoza surnames" that were created all from the original Hurtado de Mendoza. Also, I included what I believe are Toribio and Isabel's parents. I have some research and work done. Toribio grandmother "was" according to me Catalina Hurtado de Mendoza the daughter of the Duke Mendoza which would make Toribio and Isabel second cousins. Is it by chance that their daughters have the same names as Toribio's grnadmothers. Catalina, Isabel, Juana, Anna and also their grandchildren' The names keep repeating in the family. I know that Toribio was a relative to the Ramírez de Arellano of Los Altos and to Cortes' wife. I think the Hernández de Arellano was created by Thoribios "parents" (the one i believe to be) His father is the son of the Duke of Hijar and his mother is the Count of Aguilar (Los Arellanos) Hence Hernández de Arellano. I have better evidence that could support it. This is taken from Los Altos system of two important families merging names. If it's not them I know it someone in the family I found in the Arellanos and Hijars; this is pretty darn close. It should be them. The file is in my file folder. Daniel Méndez del Camino

I believe that the infomation that you had on toribio is correct except I have a few questions. was the father's name Juan or luis, i have found 2 sites with the same info as to the wife but one has juan fernandez de hijar and the other has Luis fernandez de hijar . The second may have been a mistake because they list the previous son as also named luis.

The second question is regarding isabel's parents. you list her father as diego hurtado de mendoza can you give me more info and show how they are related There are many diego hurtado de mendoza's I need info to distinguish them.
Thanks
R.A.Ricci

Now I can see why I did not make the connection with the fernandez de hijar and the ramirez arellano.
In my notes there are questions because two websites have him named our possible father of toribio differently one juan the otherLuis with the same name for the mother. I never did get around to checking on his information on more reliable sources. I still haven't and need to find out the correct name
The main reason that I did not make the connection is that I had erroneously copied some information from a sharr journal listing Isabel as being the daughter of Inigo Hurtado de mendoza and in a different time frame than toribios's parents altogether. After checking out this information it is obvious that she is not the daughter of Inigo and that now that I can put her in the right time frame she matches up with the chidren of Juan/Luis fernandez de hijar

R.A.Ricci

It supposed to be Juan because he married Juana Ramírez de Arellano, hence the surname Hernandez Arellano but we have the right family. About Isabel and Diego, I go that from a message on the genealogy boards but now I that I have learned a bit more, its impossible for her to be Diego's daughter. All of his kids are well known and there is no Isabel. We should remove the Diego part from the tree. About Toribio, not sure how his last name form, obviously his dad was Fernández (Hernández) de Híjar and his mom was Juana Ramírez de Arellano but did he combine the names when he arrived in Mexico or did the scribe just put him as Toribio Hernández Arellano which was also common to do. Because tecnically the noble women would usually drop the first part of the last name in our case Juana dropped Ramírez and should have just used Juana de Arellano. Maybe since Toribio was younger he dropped the Híjar because that prob went to the line who inherited the title of Conde. Not sure. I do think Isabel and Toribio were distant cousins though.

Whats the websites you found this family? -Many Thanks

-Daniel Camino

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Hi Daniel,

My lomelini data is put away right now. I have tremendous material that I am working that has to be sorted out in regards to the lomellini. there are many different branches and a lot of it is in italian. I have to learn a little bit more italian before I make any speculations on the family. I believe that I should have been quiet about my research on this family but I could not resist letting people know that information will be forthcoming. Sadly I won't even touch until the summer for many reasons.

I go by Rick, Ricardo, Or Ricci any are fine. I never did like Richard though some people call me that and I do not correct them.

On the mendoza table I spoke too soon. I went back and went over my notes. That reason that I said that Inigo Mendoza was not likely to be her father based on notes that I written. I went back and looked at the rest of my notes in more detail and understand the situation a little better now. The original thesis that he was the father was from a shhar journal. The problem was not that the dates did not coincide but that there was a lack of dates and sources other than to say that the author had gone to salt lake city and studied extensive records of the mendoza family. The author gave no specific sources on which I may check the data. Inigo may be the father, I do not know. He actually makes a good candidate since another daughter came to mexico and his wife also descended from that family and their is an emphasis on the family to not let go of the hurtado de mendoza name. In contrast to this work, we see the work that is being done on the Ornelas family with many dates and a critical search for sources to back up claims. I would love to have the chance to go to salt lake and do more research on this matter.
Going back to toribio hernandez. In my past notes I have that he also used santillana in his surname. If you look at the new tree put together his great great grandfather Is the Marquis de Santillana which he was named late in life and was a source of pride for his descendents.

Hi Ricci, I was wondering which Iñigo you are talking about there are several of them Mendoza? Do you know where the source said they arrived in New Spain? Thanks. -Daniel

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Inigo Mendoza, 2nd conde de Tendilla who was married to Maria Laso de Fuentes, his first cousin once removed (she was a 1st cousin to his father)
I still have not corroborated this information. The easiest way to find out would be to go spend a couple weeks at salt lake since that is where the source for this information was. He claimed that this material was not filmed.

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From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of Daniel M?ndez del Camino
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] mendoza

Hi Ricci, I was wondering which Iñigo you are talking about there are several of them Mendoza? Do you know where the source said they arrived in New Spain? Thanks. -Daniel

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I have long suspected that Toribio Hernandez de arellano was a member of the ramirez de arellano line. There are many!!! other reasons to agree with this line!!! I spent a lot of time and effort working fruitlessly when the answer was right under my nose. When working on his tree I made the simple mistake of not remembering that hernandez and fernandez are interchangeable in this period of time.I have done much work on the fernandez de hijar line without even thinking to connect it with toribio Hernandez .I would have come to this same conclusion a long time ago if I had only opened my eyes.
I am a little confused about isabel mendoza parents. I have not spent any time or effort working on this line because I had believed that her father was inigo Hurtado de mendoza? I did not know that there was a questiion about her parents.

R.A.Ricci

R.A.Ricci
I am sorry to bother yo but I could not bfind the table in your files. I found a table that did not have toribio hernandez de arellano's ancestors. I am new to the group and may not be attempting access correctly. Can you help me?

Thanks

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