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Una rama de mis ancestros Santoyo-Macias que vivian en la region de Ojuelos me lleva por la parte materna a Pedro Nolasco Macias que se caso con: Maria de los Reyes Aranda, el 6 de Julio de 1710, en Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco. En la copia del acta de matrimonio aparencen listados los padres de Pedro: Sebastian Masias Valades y Juana de Hermosillo, que debieron haber nacido alrededor de 1690, y a partir de esos datos encuentro que los abuelos paternos fueron Juan Macias Valades y Juana Dominguez, y los abuelos maternos: Diego Alonso de Hermosillo y Juana Alderete.
Para Maria de los Reyes Aranda, solo se que sus padres fueron Antonio Aranda y Antonia Martin que debieron haber nacido alredor de 1690-1700. No he podido encontrar informacion anterior. Agradeceria mucho si alguien tiene informacion al respecto.

Gracias
Jaime

Jaime,

Talvez te interese la siguiente información:

1.. Juan Macías Valadez era hijo de Joseph Macías Valadez y Catalina de la Vega. Juana Domínguez era hija de Juan Hernández y Ana Domínguez. Juana tomó el apellido de su madre, cosa común en aquellos tiempos.
2.. Juan Macías Valadez casó con Juana Domínguez el 12 de junio de 1683 en la Parroquia de la Asunción de Aguascalientes (fuente: LDS Film 0299823 Marriages 1663-1702 Aguascalientes, Ags. México).
3.. Los padres de Diego Alonso de Hermosillo fueron Diego Alonso del Pedroso y Hermosillo y Paula de Torres. Los padres de Juana de Alderete fueron Francisco de Alderete y Elvira de Padilla.
4.. Diego Alonso de Hermosillo casó con Juana de Alderete el 19 de febrero de 1669 en la Parroquia de Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche (fuente: LDS Film 0639754 Marriages 1637-1669 Teocaltiche, Jal. México).

Saludos,

Bill Figueroa

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaime Alvarado"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:24 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Massias (Macias) Valades con De Hermosillo deCienega de Mata, Ojuelos

Una rama de mis ancestros Santoyo-Macias que vivian en la region de Ojuelos...

Hi Bill:

Lines #3 and #4 of your message to Jaime sent me looking through my
database...

I don't have Diego Alonso de Hermosillo , Married to Juana Alderete, as
being the son of Diego Alonso del Pedroso y Hermosillo. I do believe your
source, it just struck me kind of funny that he had a brother named Diego
Alonso Ramirez de Hermosillo.

I do have a Diego Alonso Ramirez de Hermosillo, married to Luisa Muñoz de
Nava, as a son of Diego Alonso del Pedroso y Hermosillo

For siblings of Diego Alonso Ramirez de Hermosillo I have the following:

Capt. Agustin Garcia de Hermosillo
Matias Gonzalez
Maria de Hermosillo
Isabel Ramirez
Paula Torres
Nicolas Ramirez.

I guess now I can add: Diego Alonso de Hermosillo to the list.

Any comments?

Gracias.

John Gonzalez
1gnzlz@verizon.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Figueroa"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 21:20
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Massias (Macias) Valades con De
HermosillodeCienega de Mata, Ojuelos

Jaime,

Talvez te interese la siguiente información:

1.. Juan Macías Valadez era hijo de Joseph Macías Valadez y Catalina de la
Vega. Juana Domínguez era hija de Juan Hernández y Ana Domínguez. Juana
tomó el apellido de su madre, cosa común en aquellos tiempos.
2.. Juan Macías Valadez casó con Juana Domínguez el 12 de junio de 1683 en
la Parroquia de la Asunción de Aguascalientes (fuente: LDS Film 0299823
Marriages 1663-1702 Aguascalientes, Ags. México).
3.. Los padres de Diego Alonso de Hermosillo fueron Diego Alonso del
Pedroso y Hermosillo y Paula de Torres. Los padres de Juana de Alderete
fueron Francisco de Alderete y Elvira de Padilla.
4.. Diego Alonso de Hermosillo casó con Juana de Alderete el 19 de febrero
de 1669 en la Parroquia de Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche
(fuente: LDS Film 0639754 Marriages 1637-1669 Teocaltiche, Jal. México).

Saludos,

Bill Figueroa

Hi John,

The information was provided by Jaime Holcombe about 15 years ago. According
to his information, the Diego Alonso de Hermosillo who married Luisa Muñoz
de Nava on 23 Feb 1645 is the same Diego Alonso Gonzalez de Hermosillo who
married Juana de Alderete on 19 Feb 1669. I have it as a second marriage,
but would like to confirm it by looking at the actual records. Perhaps
someone in the group has the microfilm on permanent loan and could check for
this for us. The film number is LDS film No. is 0639754 Marriages 1637-1669
Teocaltiche, Jal. México. Hopefully someone has already researched this
family.

Bill

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:28 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo

Hi Bill:

Lines #3 and #4 of your message to Jaime sent me looking through my
database...

Thank you Bill:

I think I am going to wait before I add him to my database until we have
something definite. Like you said, maybe somebody else has already
researched this family.

Thank you.

John Gonzalez

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Figueroa"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 15:12
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo

Hi John,

The information was provided by Jaime Holcombe about 15 years ago.
According...

Jaime,

Entre los muchos errores de transcripción que he encontrado en los Registros
IGI de FamilySearch, me parece haber visto el nombre Yldephonso confundido
con Alonso. Esto muchas veces se debe a que los microfilmes están gastados,
borrosos o los mismos libros de registro están en mal estado.
Definitivamente el apellido era Alonso de Hermosillo.

El Tomo II del libro "Retoños de España" de Mariano González-Leal contiene
mucha información sobre esta familia, empezando con Juan González de
Hermosillo, casado con María Muñoz. De ellos provienen las familias
Hermosillo, González de Hermosillo, Muñoz de Hermosillo, Camacho-Riquelme,
Aceves, Gutierres de Hermosillo, y las de los descendientes de Diego Alonso
del Pedroso y Hermosillo y Paula de Torres, que son González de Hermosillo,
Ramírez de Hermosillo y García de Hermosillo. El libro contiene varios
esquemas genealógicos de estas familias, los cuales son bastante útiles.
También en el mismo libro encontrarás información de los descendientes de
Francisco de Alderete y Elvira de Padilla.

No he tenido tiempo de verificar que el Diego Ramírez de Hermosillo que
contrajo matrimonio con Luisa Muñoz de Nava en 1645 es el mismo que contrajo
matrimonio con Juana de Alderete en 1669, pero talvez en ese libro se
encuentre la respuesta. Si no, habrá que revisar el registro de matrimonios
de Teocaltiche, y si eso aún no es suficiente siempre quedan los registros
de informaciones matrimoniales de la misma feligresía. Me imagino que
muchos de los miembros de "Nuestros Ranchos" ya tienen esa información, así
que talvez alguien pueda ayudarnos...?

Saludos,
Bill Figueroa

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaime Alvarado"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 9:05 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gracias a todos por la informacion Macias
Valades

Bill, John y Daniel,

Muchas gracias por lo informacion. Respecto a Diego Alonso de Hermosillo,
tambien lo tengo registrado com Diego Yldelphonso de Hermosillo con Juana
Alderete. Me pregunto si se trata del mismo matrimonio.

Jaime R. Alvarado

Hello John. I actually made copies of about 90-95% of Jaime H research if you need me to check. I the source number and page #.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Gonzalez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo

Thank you Bill:

I think I am going to wait before I add him to my database until we have
something definite. Like you said, maybe somebody else has already
researched this family.

Thank you.

John Gonzalez

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Figueroa" >
To: >
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 15:12
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo

Hi John,

The information was provided by Jaime Holcombe about 15 years ago.
According...

Hi Miguel:

We appreciate your help in trying to help us solve this "mystery" :

We need to know if Diego Ramirez de Hermosillo, married to Luisa Muñoz de
Nava y Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba, is the same person listed as:
Diego Alonso de Hermosillo, married to Juana Alderete. If it is, is this
his second marriage? it look like it could be.

Where did you find Jaime Holcombe's research data? It sounds like you have
almost all of it!

Thank you.

John

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Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 14:58
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo

> Hello John. I actually made copies of about 90-95% of Jaime H research if
> you need me to check. I the source number and page #.

Hello John, I have Diego Alonso b-abt 1628 Married to Luisa Muños de Nava b-abt 1628 is Son of Diego Alonso Ramirez del Pedrozo b-abt 1598 and Paula Torres b-abt 1602. Diego Alonso Ramires de Hermosillo b-abt 1646 m-Juana Alderete is son of Diego & Luisa. his brothers and sisters are Catarina,1648 Cap Juan1649,Francisco 1651,Gertrudis, de nava 1653,Andres Muñoz de Hermosillo 1655, Melchor (Cap) muñoz de Hermosillo 1658.
re why or how I have these copies. I found it less expensive to pay 25 cents per page -2 family sheets per page than the time wasted traveling back forth to LA family research library finding one at a time and getting into the printer searching again. I found that once I started inputing the info into my family tree, they were related. I still have about 20% not input into my tree. Lack of time. I can still find it if you locate the the source# and batch and page.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Gonzalez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo

Hi Miguel:

We appreciate your help in trying to help us solve this "mystery" :

We need to know if Diego Ramirez de Hermosillo, married to Luisa Muñoz de
Nava y Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba, is the same person listed as:
Diego Alonso de Hermosillo, married to Juana Alderete. If it is, is this
his second marriage? it look like it could be.

Where did you find Jaime Holcombe's research data? It sounds like you have
almost all of it!

Thank you.

John

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Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 14:58
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo

> Hello John. I actually made copies of about 90-95% of Jaime H research if
> you need me to check. I the source number and page #.

I have Diego Alonso as grandson of Juan González de Hermosillo and María Muñoz y Cabessa.
-Daniel
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I also have Diego Alonso b-1628 as grandson
----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel Mendez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo

I have Diego Alonso as grandson of Juan González de Hermosillo and María Muñoz y Cabessa.
-Daniel
_________________________________________________________________
The i’m Talkaton. Can 30-days of conversation change the world?
http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_ChangeWorld

I have Juan González de Hermosillo married to Maria Muñoz Montonia as being
the grandparents of Diego Alonso de Hermosillo.
Was "Cabessa" Maria's other last name?

Thank you.

John González

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Mendez"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 20:22
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo

I have Diego Alonso as grandson of Juan González de Hermosillo and María
Muñoz y Cabessa.
-Daniel

Yes
----- Original Message -----
From: John Gonzalez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:49 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Last name

Daniel:

I have Juan González de Hermosillo married to Maria Muñoz Montonia as being
the grandparents of Diego Alonso de Hermosillo.
Was "Cabessa" Maria's other last name?

Thank you.

John González

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Mendez" >
To: >
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 20:22
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo

I have Diego Alonso as grandson of Juan González de Hermosillo and María
Muñoz y Cabessa.
-Daniel

Hi Miggy:

Thank you for the information on Diego Alonso de Hermosillo. I didn't have
any of his siblings for Diego Alonso Ramirez de Hermosillo

I see where Borderlands Bookstore has two volumes of Jaime Holcombe's
research. I am just wondering how extensive was his coverage of the Los
Altos area. I get the impression that most of his research was concentrated
in the "North".

John González

----- Original Message -----
From: "Miggy GUTIERREZ"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 19:08
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo

Hello John, I have Diego Alonso b-abt 1628 Married to Luisa Muños de Nava
b-abt 1628 is Son of Diego Alonso Ramirez del Pedrozo b-abt 1598 and Paula
Torres b-abt 1602...

Hello,

I know I'm a few years late on this thread, but I recently established our parentesco with the Diego Alonso/Alfonso/Yldephonzo line, and I think it a good idea to connect the threads. The thread can be found here, with links to the IMs and records: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21940

Saludos,

Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jrefugioghermosillo

John,

The information provided by Miggy Gutierrez appears to be correct. It fits
the timeline better, although there is no solid documentation. We can be
sure if someone checks LDS Film 0639754 Marriages 1637-1669 Teocaltiche,
Jal. Mexico for both marriages, Diego Alonso Ramirez de Hermosillo to Luisa
Muñoz de Nava on 23 Feb 1645 and Diego Alonso de Hermosillo (their son) to
Juana de Alderete y Padilla on 19 Feb 1669, both at Parroquia de Ntra. Sra.
de los Dolores, Teocaltiche. Hopefully the parents are mentioned in the
records.

Bill Figueroa

---- Original Message -----
From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo

Hi Miguel:

We appreciate your help in trying to help us solve this "mystery" :

We need to know if Diego Ramirez de Hermosillo, married to Luisa Muñoz de
Nava y Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba, is the same person listed as:
Diego Alonso de Hermosillo, married to Juana Alderete. If it is, is this
his second marriage? it look like it could be....

Thank you for the information. I will be in Teocaltiche for a few days and
will take a run down to the Parroquia to see if I can double check the
records for Diego Alonso Ramirez de Hermosillo and Diego Alonso de
Hermosillo. I will let you know what I find as soon as I get back.

John Gonzalez

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Figueroa"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 21:58
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo

John,

The information provided by Miggy Gutierrez appears to be correct...

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