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Juana Dominguez (Married to Juan Macias Valadez, 12 Jun 1683 in
Aguascalientes) was daughter of Juan Hernandez and Ana Dominguez. Juana had at least 6 siblings. In the baptismal records of one of these, Ana is listed as Ana Domingues de los Inojos (Hinojos). I've not been able to locate Juan & Ana's marriage record, to find the names of the Juana's grandparents, so I've hit a road block. However, I found a potential couple: Pedro Alonso de los Inojos and Ana Domingues (died 14 August 1675). Could these be Ana's parents and thus Juana's grandparents? Any help will be appreciated.

Jaime

I have an Antonia Gomez married to Diego Estrada on 20 Oct 1692 in Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México, Antonia's parent were Diego Gomez and Mensia Velasco de Espexo. Is this the same Diego and Mensia?

Joe Rubio

Joseph,
After experiencing a similar problem in another recent search (earlier dates suddenly appeared later), I tried looking forward and backward just in case. Unfortunately, I have not been able to locate records for 1683-84 in that film.

Jaime

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alvaradj@comcast.net wrote:
> Bill,
> I have spend several sessions browsing page by page the "Informaciones Matrimoniales" hoping to find additional information. Unfortunately, the records suddenly stop in 1682 just to begin again in 1685. Thus 1683-84 are missing! I am not sure whether these were absent from the church records, were not microfilmed, or that the images were not uploaded by mistake on the Pilot Site. I guess we have another interesting mistery.
>

I'm sure you know this already but for some of the others that might be
reading your interesting research I wanted to say that just because you
find a gap like that doesn't mean that later on in the film those
records might suddenly show up. i've looked at film that had a message
at the front or somewhere in the middle saying that the pages were not
in order. It could be that the original document was in such bad shape
that when the person doing the photography work went to do the work
he/she needed to only do it page by page as he/she found it. But I would
also not get my hopes up to high as the chances certainly are diminished
by finding a gap like this especially if the records had been orderly up
to that point and then continued orderly afterwards. Who knows what
might have happened during that gap of years.

joseph

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> Jaime
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Figueroa"
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> Jaime:
>
> Thanks for the scan of the marriage record of Juan Macias Valadez and Juana Dominguez. You're absolutely right, it does say "Gomes espejo". There is no mention of racial group as "españoles", "indios", "mestisos" or what have you, but we know they were "españoles". I have been through most 17th century church records of Aguascalientes and so far have not found anyone with the surname "Gomes Espejo" or "Gomes de Espejo". The compounded surname may have originated in Jalisco, where a Juana Gomez de Espejo married a Pedro Navarro Gaitan in Tepatitlan, Jal. 2 July 1697, and a Joana Gomez de Espejo who married Pedro Gonzalez in San Agustin, Ayo el Chico, Jal. 10 May 1700. The last one was the daughter of Diego Gomez de Espejo and Mensia de Velasco. The only suggestion I have is to check "Informaciones Matrimoniales" of Aguascalientes. I spent nearly two years looking for the parents of my 5th great-grandmother Josepha Iñiguez de Ulloa. Finally I ordered the microfilm with "informaciones matrimoniales" for 1703 and there it was, with great detail including the declarations by several witnesses. As far as I know, those who wished to get married had to undergo the scrutiny of the Catholic Church, whether they needed a "dispensa" or not. Both pretensos were interviewed, as well as their witnesses.
>
> Bill Figueroa
>
> Al Margen-- Ju(an) Macias Baladez con Ju(ana) Gomes espejo Casados y Velados
>
> En la Villa de Aguascalientes en doce dias del mes de Junio año de mil (seis) Cientos y ochenta i tres case i vele in facie ecletia a Juan Macias (Bala)dez, hijo lexitimo de Joseph Macias Baladez y de Catalina (de la) Vega Vesinos de esta Juridicion, Con Juana Gomez Espejo, hija (le)xitima d(e) Juan Hernandez, y de Ana Dominguez vesinos de dicha Juridicion aviendo precedido informacion Vastante de su (solteria) y las amonestaciones que dispone el Sto. Concilio en tres dias festivos inter missarum solemnia... Fueron testigos (al) expresar sus voluntades Diego Gonsales, Diego Presiado y los P(adrinos) que fueron Nicolas Ramirez y D Maria de Sordia...”
>

I have long suspected that Toribio Hernandez de arellano was a member of the ramirez de arellano line. There are many!!! other reasons to agree with this line!!! I spent a lot of time and effort working fruitlessly when the answer was right under my nose. When working on his tree I made the simple mistake of not remembering that hernandez and fernandez are interchangeable in this period of time.I have done much work on the fernandez de hijar line without even thinking to connect it with toribio Hernandez .I would have come to this same conclusion a long time ago if I had only opened my eyes.
I am a little confused about isabel mendoza parents. I have not spent any time or effort working on this line because I had believed that her father was inigo Hurtado de mendoza? I did not know that there was a questiion about her parents.

R.A.Ricci

.A.Ricci

You are correct, I also have this suspicion about Toribio, he is obviously related to the Ramirez Arellano, Toribio was said to be a distant relative of Tristan
de Luna y Arellano. If my guess is correct, Toribio should be son of Juan Fernandez de Hijar and Catalina Ramirez de Arellano. Not sure why he would combine his parents last name if this is correct? Which Inigo Mendoza are you talking about? -Daniel Camino
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Bill,
One more time thanks. Regarding Pedro Alonso de los Inojos -and maybe Daniel can contribute here as recently he mentioned Felipe Alonso de los Inojos as the great grandson of Lope Ruiz de Esparza. Do we know what is the relationship between Pedro and Felipe?

Jaime

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Figueroa"
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Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:08:01 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ana Dominguez de Inojos

Jaime,

You are correct. Pedro Alonso de los Inojos and Ana Dominguez married in Sierra de Pinos 3 May 1632 and had ten children before 1650. At least seven of them were baptized at the old "Parroquia de la Asuncion de Aguascalientes", including their daughter Ana Dominguez, who went by her mother's name. This Ana married twice. First, she married Juan Hernandez (I haven't found their marriage record either) who died Feb 1688 in Aguascalientes. After her husband died, she married Francisco Fernandez de Palos Dec 1688 at Las Peñuelas. They had no children, as Ana was already 49 years old. The parents of the first Ana Dominguez (who married Pedro Alonso de los Inojos) were Miguel Diaz and Maria Medel. You're probably wondering: Where does the name Ana Dominguez come from...? Well, it's not that complicated. Maria Medel was the daughter of Pedro Medel and Ana Dominguez. The name of this first Ana Dominguez was used for several generations by her descendants, which is typical of that period.

Hope this helps.

Bill Figueroa

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ana Dominguez de Inojos

Juana Dominguez (Married to Juan Macias Valadez, 12 Jun 1683 in Aguascalientes) was daughter of Juan Hernandez and Ana Dominguez. Juana had at least 6 siblings. In the baptismal records of one of these, Ana is listed as Ana Domingues de los Inojos (Hinojos). I've not been able to locate Juan & Ana's marriage record, to find the names of Juana's grandparents, so I've hit a road block. However, I found a potential couple: Pedro Alonso de los Inojos and Ana Domingues (died 14 August 1675). Could these be Ana's parents and thus Juana's grandparents? Any help will be appreciated.

Jaime

Hi Jaime, from the "dispensa" if you read my last funny story it wasnt a dispensa but a warning from the Pope and the church. This is what I have Felipe Alonso de los Hinojos hijo legítimo de José Alonso de los Hinojos y Teresa Ruiz de Esparza...porque dice Josepha Márquez de Ulloa (she was alive and swore all this info was correct she herself was a granddaughter of Lope) Porque de tronco es Lope Ruiz de Esparza quien tuvó a María y Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza, Jacinto tuvó a Teresa Ruiz de Esparza madre del pretensoy mi madre María prima de ella. Yo tuvé Leonor de Villagrán y Ulloa madre de la pretensa (Agueda de Estrada. Felipe's father (José Alonso de los Hinojos was son of Pedro Alonso and Ana Domínguez if im correct. Maybe Bill can sustain my statement? ALso. There is a Leonor Sánchez de Hinojos how does she fit in is she a daughter of Pedro? Where does Sánchez come from. Eventually the last bit of the dispensa says something about no debéis estar juntos ni veros along the lines basically a warning.

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Jaime,

Felipe Alonso de los Inojos was the grandson of Pedro Alonso de los Inojos and Ana Dominguez. Felipe's parents were Jose Alonso de los Inojos and Teresa Ruiz de Esparza. Felipe was baptized 25 May 1672 at "Parroquia de la Asunción de Aguascalientes".

Bill

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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ana Dominguez de Inojos

Bill,

One more time thanks. Regarding Pedro Alonso de los Inojos - and maybe Daniel can contribute here as recently he mentioned Felipe Alonso de los Inojos as the great grandson of Lope Ruiz de Esparza. Do we know what is the relationship between Pedro and Felipe?

Jaime

Thanks again Bill,
I also found some information that you may be interested in (although you may already have it). I located and downloaded the jpg files for the burial records of the following:
1. Pedro Alonso de los Inojos, buried March 23 1660 in Aguascalientes
2. Ana Dominguez (wife of Pedro Alonso de los Inojos) buried in Aguascalientes August 14, 1675

I also found the baptism record of: Juana Dominguez (April 11, 1665), daughter of Juan Hernandez and Ana Dominguez.

Now, this is when it gets interesting, and you may be able to provide some insight. In the marriage record of Juan Macias Valades, son of Joseph Macias Valades and Catalina de la Vega, with Juana, on June 12, 1683 in Aguascalientes, Juana Dominguez is listed as Juana Gomez Espejo, legitimate daughter of Juan Hernandez and Ana Dominguez. Any idea where does the "Gomez Espejo" comes from and why would she be given that surname at her wedding? In the marriage of their son Sevastian Macias Valades to Juana Gonzalez Hermosillo, she is simply listed as Juana Dominguez.

Jaime

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:48:42 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
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Jaime,

Felipe Alonso de los Inojos was the grandson of Pedro Alonso de los Inojos and Ana Dominguez. Felipe's parents were Jose Alonso de los Inojos and Teresa Ruiz de Esparza. Felipe was baptized 25 May 1672 at "Parroquia de la Asunción de Aguascalientes".

Bill

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Bill,

One more time thanks. Regarding Pedro Alonso de los Inojos - and maybe Daniel can contribute here as recently he mentioned Felipe Alonso de los Inojos as the great grandson of Lope Ruiz de Esparza. Do we know what is the relationship between Pedro and Felipe?

Jaime

Hello Jaime, Its Daniel I believe Juan Hernández is in fact Hernández y Gamiño, the only way a Gómez de Espejo could be produced, there were MANY Juana Gómez de Espejos the last name always passed down maternally. Also if possible I would love a copy of Pedro's and Ana;'s burial record if possible! -Daniel Camino
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I have a strong feeling Juan is son of Domingo Hernández yGamiño and Juana Gómez de Espejo? But need to verify it with documentation! This is my take of a possible take on it. Once again only a possibility, there was a Juan but have no marriage info or such! They were from Ayo El Chico to go all the way to aguas to get married is interesting if he is Gamiño. Taking the time frame Domingo "el mayor" from Trujillo, Spain was the patriarch, so its possible this is the Juan, but we need a marriage or from familysearch or something.

Diego Gómez de Espejo-----Antonia ????
|
Domingo Hernández y Gamiño------Juana Gómez de Espejo
|
Juan Hernández y Gamiño------------Ana Domínguez
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Juan de Macías y Valadés------Juana Gómez de Espejo
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Sebastián de Macías y Valadés------------Juana González de Hermosillo

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AQUI MENCIONAS QUE JUAN HERNANDEZ ES HIJO DE DOMINGO HERNANDEZ GAMIÑO
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Jaime,

Please double-check the marriage record of Juan Macias Valades with Juana Dominguez (aka Juana Gomez). I only have the extraction, and I believe the word after "Gomez" is "esps" which is the usual abbreviation for "españoles". I could be wrong, but I've never seen the surname "Espejo" in any records of Aguascalientes. The extraction I made of the original reads as follows:

12 Junio 1683.- Juan Macias Baladez, hijo legitimo de Joseph Macias Balades y de Catalina Vega, vecs. de esta jurisdicion, con Juana Gomes, esps. hija legitima de Juan Hernandez y de Ana Dominguez, vecs. de dha jurisdicion. Testigos Diego Gonsales, Diego Presiado y los padrinos que fueron Nicolas Ramirez y D. Maria de Siordia.

The record is poorly written, but I interpret it as saying "Juan Macias Baladez con Juana Gomes, españoles". I don't know where the Gomez comes from, maybe from her father's side...? I will check the microfilm I have on permanent loan at the FHC and email you a scan if you don't already have it. The FHC near my home only opens on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and half day Thursdays.

Bill

Bill,
I checked the marriage record. I have transcribed the information putting in parentheses inferred information that cannot be read. Also placing a question mark within brackets [?] is that information that I am not certain. It reads as follows:

Al Margen-- Ju(an) Macias Baladez con Ju(ana) Gomes espejo[?] Casados y Velados
En la Villa de Aguascalientes en doce dias del mes de Junio año de mil (seis) Cientos y ochenta i tres case i vele in facie coletig[?] a Juan Macias (Bala)dez, hijo lexitimo de Joseph Macias Baladez y de Catalina (de) Vega Vesinos de esta Juridicion, Con Juana Gomez Espejo[?], hija (le)xitima d(e) Juan Hernandez, y de Ana Dominguez vesinos de dicha Juridicion aviendo precedido informacion Vastante de su (solteria) y las amonestaciones que dispone... Fueron testigos (de) expresar sus voluntades Diego Gonsales, Diego Presiado y los P(adrinos) que fueron Nicolas Ramirez y D Maria de Sordia...”

There are two important aspects that I want to underscore. First, the comma in your extraction after "Juana Gomes" is not there. Instead it is after Espejo[?]. Second, I checked the usage of racial profile in other records in the same document, and for some reason, this priest would only record the racial group for the individual that belong to castas other than español: morisca, mestizo(a), indio. I need to verify whether there is a consistent practice for other couples by the same priest: Dr. Baltazar Fernando Altami(ra?)no del Castillo.

Finally, I am sending you directly a copy of the record so that you can check it out.

Jaime

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:50:04 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ana Dominguez de Inojos

Jaime,

Please double-check the marriage record of Juan Macias Valades with Juana Dominguez (aka Juana Gomez). I only have the extraction, and I believe the word after "Gomez" is "esps" which is the usual abbreviation for "españoles". I could be wrong, but I've never seen the surname "Espejo" in any records of Aguascalientes. The extraction I made of the original reads as follows:

12 Junio 1683.- Juan Macias Baladez, hijo legitimo de Joseph Macias Balades y de Catalina Vega, vecs. de esta jurisdicion, con Juana Gomes, esps. hija legitima de Juan Hernandez y de Ana Dominguez, vecs. de dha jurisdicion. Testigos Diego Gonsales, Diego Presiado y los padrinos que fueron Nicolas Ramirez y D. Maria de Siordia.

The record is poorly written, but I interpret it as saying "Juan Macias Baladez con Juana Gomes, españoles". I don't know where the Gomez comes from, maybe from her father's side...? I will check the microfilm I have on permanent loan at the FHC and email you a scan if you don't already have it. The FHC near my home only opens on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and half day Thursdays.

Bill

Thanks for the scan of the marriage record of Juan Macias Valadez and Juana Dominguez. You're absolutely right, it does say "Gomes espejo". There is no mention of racial group as "españoles", "indios", "mestisos" or what have you, but we know they were "españoles". I have been through most 17th century church records of Aguascalientes and so far have not found anyone with the surname "Gomes Espejo" or "Gomes de Espejo". The compounded surname may have originated in Jalisco, where a Juana Gomez de Espejo married a Pedro Navarro Gaitan in Tepatitlan, Jal. 2 July 1697, and a Joana Gomez de Espejo who married Pedro Gonzalez in San Agustin, Ayo el Chico, Jal. 10 May 1700. The last one was the daughter of Diego Gomez de Espejo and Mensia de Velasco. The only suggestion I have is to check "Informaciones Matrimoniales" of Aguascalientes. I spent nearly two years looking for the parents of my 5th great-grandmother Josepha Iñiguez de Ulloa. Finally I ordered the microfilm with "informaciones matrimoniales" for 1703 and there it was, with great detail including the declarations by several witnesses. As far as I know, those who wished to get married had to undergo the scrutiny of the Catholic Church, whether they needed a "dispensa" or not. Both pretensos were interviewed, as well as their witnesses.

Bill Figueroa

Al Margen-- Ju(an) Macias Baladez con Ju(ana) Gomes espejo Casados y Velados

En la Villa de Aguascalientes en doce dias del mes de Junio año de mil (seis) Cientos y ochenta i tres case i vele in facie ecletia a Juan Macias (Bala)dez, hijo lexitimo de Joseph Macias Baladez y de Catalina (de la) Vega Vesinos de esta Juridicion, Con Juana Gomez Espejo, hija (le)xitima d(e) Juan Hernandez, y de Ana Dominguez vesinos de dicha Juridicion aviendo precedido informacion Vastante de su (solteria) y las amonestaciones que dispone el Sto. Concilio en tres dias festivos inter missarum solemnia... Fueron testigos (al) expresar sus voluntades Diego Gonsales, Diego Presiado y los P(adrinos) que fueron Nicolas Ramirez y D Maria de Sordia...”

International Genealogical Index / Mexico - 20

Hiya Bill and Jaime ,

I thought this might be of interest to the two of you . In Family Search I just put the last name Espejo and the state of Aguascaliente and these names showed up .

Welester G. Alvarado

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1. MARIA BONIFACIA ESPEJO ALONZO - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 07 JUN 1864 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

2. EUGENIA DEL REFUGIO ESPEJO AGUILAR - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 17 NOV 1829 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

3. NATALIA ESPEJO ALONZO - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 03 DEC 1869 El Senor Del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

4. RAMONA ESPEJO SOLIS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 03 SEP 1861 El Senor Del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

5. JOSE FERNANDO CALLETANO ESPEJO AGUILAR - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 01 JUN 1826 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

6. JOSE VICTORIANO ESPEJO VILLALOVOS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 24 MAR 1852 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

7. JOSE HIPOLITO ESPEJO LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 18 AUG 1853 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

8. CANDIDA ESPEJO ALONSO - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 07 OCT 1867 El Senor Del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

9. JUSTA DE JESUS ESPEJO LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 07 AUG 1855 El Senor Del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

10. SEVERA ESPEJO SOLIZ - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 09 NOV 1859 El Senor Del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

11. Fernando Espejo - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: About 1835 Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

12. EMILIANA ESPEJO LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 08 JUL 1862 El Senor Del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

13. Alejandro Espejo - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 24 APR 1857 Triana, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

14. Aristeo Espejo - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 03 SEP 1860 Triana, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

15. Fernando Espejo - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: About 1835 Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

16. FERNANDO ESPEJO - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 20 MAR 1867 El Senor Del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

17. JOSE FERNANDO ESPEJO - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 14 FEB 1844 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

18. HIPOLITO ESPEJO - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 24 MAY 1879 El Senor Del Encino, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

19. Fernando Espejo - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: About 1855 Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico

20. Fernando Espejo - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: About 1855 Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico
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Hi Lester,

Thanks for the info. I also searched for "Espejo" in Aguas and found the
same 20 records. However, they're from 19th century (1826-1879) and the
person we are looking for was married some 200 years earlier, in 1683. I
have been through some 50 films with records from Aguascalientes in the last
five years, and never before encountered that surname.

Bill

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lester Alvarado"
To: "Bill Figueroa"
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:16 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Espejo as a last name - Bill and Jaime

Hiya Bill and Jaime ,

I thought this might be of interest to the two of you. In Family Search I
just put the last name Espejo and the state of Aguascalientes and these
names showed up.

Welester G. Alvarado

International Genealogical Index / Mexico - 20 (...)

Bill,
I have spend several sessions browsing page by page the "Informaciones Matrimoniales" hoping to find additional information. Unfortunately, the records suddenly stop in 1682 just to begin again in 1685. Thus 1683-84 are missing! I am not sure whether these were absent from the church records, were not microfilmed, or that the images were not uploaded by mistake on the Pilot Site. I guess we have another interesting mistery.

Jaime

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Figueroa"
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Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:15:41 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ana Dominguez de Inojos

Jaime:

Thanks for the scan of the marriage record of Juan Macias Valadez and Juana Dominguez. You're absolutely right, it does say "Gomes espejo". There is no mention of racial group as "españoles", "indios", "mestisos" or what have you, but we know they were "españoles". I have been through most 17th century church records of Aguascalientes and so far have not found anyone with the surname "Gomes Espejo" or "Gomes de Espejo". The compounded surname may have originated in Jalisco, where a Juana Gomez de Espejo married a Pedro Navarro Gaitan in Tepatitlan, Jal. 2 July 1697, and a Joana Gomez de Espejo who married Pedro Gonzalez in San Agustin, Ayo el Chico, Jal. 10 May 1700. The last one was the daughter of Diego Gomez de Espejo and Mensia de Velasco. The only suggestion I have is to check "Informaciones Matrimoniales" of Aguascalientes. I spent nearly two years looking for the parents of my 5th great-grandmother Josepha Iñiguez de Ulloa. Finally I ordered the microfilm with "informaciones matrimoniales" for 1703 and there it was, with great detail including the declarations by several witnesses. As far as I know, those who wished to get married had to undergo the scrutiny of the Catholic Church, whether they needed a "dispensa" or not. Both pretensos were interviewed, as well as their witnesses.

Bill Figueroa

Al Margen-- Ju(an) Macias Baladez con Ju(ana) Gomes espejo Casados y Velados

En la Villa de Aguascalientes en doce dias del mes de Junio año de mil (seis) Cientos y ochenta i tres case i vele in facie ecletia a Juan Macias (Bala)dez, hijo lexitimo de Joseph Macias Baladez y de Catalina (de la) Vega Vesinos de esta Juridicion, Con Juana Gomez Espejo, hija (le)xitima d(e) Juan Hernandez, y de Ana Dominguez vesinos de dicha Juridicion aviendo precedido informacion Vastante de su (solteria) y las amonestaciones que dispone el Sto. Concilio en tres dias festivos inter missarum solemnia... Fueron testigos (al) expresar sus voluntades Diego Gonsales, Diego Presiado y los P(adrinos) que fueron Nicolas Ramirez y D Maria de Sordia...”

alvaradj@comcast.net wrote:
> Bill,
> I have spend several sessions browsing page by page the "Informaciones Matrimoniales" hoping to find additional information. Unfortunately, the records suddenly stop in 1682 just to begin again in 1685. Thus 1683-84 are missing! I am not sure whether these were absent from the church records, were not microfilmed, or that the images were not uploaded by mistake on the Pilot Site. I guess we have another interesting mistery.
>

I'm sure you know this already but for some of the others that might be
reading your interesting research I wanted to say that just because you
find a gap like that doesn't mean that later on in the film those
records might suddenly show up. i've looked at film that had a message
at the front or somewhere in the middle saying that the pages were not
in order. It could be that the original document was in such bad shape
that when the person doing the photography work went to do the work
he/she needed to only do it page by page as he/she found it. But I would
also not get my hopes up to high as the chances certainly are diminished
by finding a gap like this especially if the records had been orderly up
to that point and then continued orderly afterwards. Who knows what
might have happened during that gap of years.

joseph

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> Jaime
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> Jaime:
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> Thanks for the scan of the marriage record of Juan Macias Valadez and Juana Dominguez. You're absolutely right, it does say "Gomes espejo". There is no mention of racial group as "españoles", "indios", "mestisos" or what have you, but we know they were "españoles". I have been through most 17th century church records of Aguascalientes and so far have not found anyone with the surname "Gomes Espejo" or "Gomes de Espejo". The compounded surname may have originated in Jalisco, where a Juana Gomez de Espejo married a Pedro Navarro Gaitan in Tepatitlan, Jal. 2 July 1697, and a Joana Gomez de Espejo who married Pedro Gonzalez in San Agustin, Ayo el Chico, Jal. 10 May 1700. The last one was the daughter of Diego Gomez de Espejo and Mensia de Velasco. The only suggestion I have is to check "Informaciones Matrimoniales" of Aguascalientes. I spent nearly two years looking for the parents of my 5th great-grandmother Josepha Iñiguez de Ulloa. Finally I ordered the microfilm with "informaciones matrimoniales" for 1703 and there it was, with great detail including the declarations by several witnesses. As far as I know, those who wished to get married had to undergo the scrutiny of the Catholic Church, whether they needed a "dispensa" or not. Both pretensos were interviewed, as well as their witnesses.
>
> Bill Figueroa
>
> Al Margen-- Ju(an) Macias Baladez con Ju(ana) Gomes espejo Casados y Velados
>
> En la Villa de Aguascalientes en doce dias del mes de Junio año de mil (seis) Cientos y ochenta i tres case i vele in facie ecletia a Juan Macias (Bala)dez, hijo lexitimo de Joseph Macias Baladez y de Catalina (de la) Vega Vesinos de esta Juridicion, Con Juana Gomez Espejo, hija (le)xitima d(e) Juan Hernandez, y de Ana Dominguez vesinos de dicha Juridicion aviendo precedido informacion Vastante de su (solteria) y las amonestaciones que dispone el Sto. Concilio en tres dias festivos inter missarum solemnia... Fueron testigos (al) expresar sus voluntades Diego Gonsales, Diego Presiado y los P(adrinos) que fueron Nicolas Ramirez y D Maria de Sordia...”
>

Tengo estas páginas a ver si alguien le sirven, la primera tieme primeros pobladores deMéxico por estado ( no todos) y algunas haciendas y la segunda te contacta con apellidos italianos que inmigraron a América:
http://mx.geocities.com/genealogiademexico/menu/003primepob.html y www.apellidositalianos.com.ar saludos Leticia Reynoso
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Hi Leticia, this site is a good source of info! I found a Diego Hurtado de Mendoza, could this be the father of the famous Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza married to Toribio Hernández de Arellano? The time and place are really exact. I found it in the first Guadalajara section or Nochistlán. -Daniel Camino
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Daniel:
Good for you! maybe all of us have many branches where we don't Know the second name or husband of someone, or we have pedro Peres in Jalisco but the same arrived before in Oaxaca.. that can be useful,in a small source you have onother clues. I found today that Maria Zamora wife of Fernando De la Mora y Hurtado de Mendoza was Zamora y Solis.. excuse my english Leticia reynoso> From: mendezdelcamino@live.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:04:09 -0800> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] sitio interesante> > > Hi Leticia, this site is a good source of info! I found a Diego Hurtado de Mendoza, could this be the father of the famous Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza married to Toribio Hernández de Arellano? The time and place are really exact. I found it in the first Guadalajara section or Nochistlán. -Daniel Camino> _________________________________________________________________> Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail.> http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5g…; -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Hi Leticia, I have worked on the Zamora line of Zamora, Michoacán! How far have you gotten, Ive done some work on it. -Daniel
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Hi Daniel ,
I have two Maria Zamora's in my tree, in fact the onlys Zamora's I have, one in Ocotlan or Tepatitlan Jalisco vers 1655 married with Fernando de la Mora Hurtado de Mendoza parents of Juan de la Mora Hurtado de Mendoza married with Leonor Hermosillo, and the other one married also in Ocotlan with Alonso Romero de Chaves parents of Nicolas Romero de Chaves at same dates I don´t Know if is the same person..thanks Leticia Reynoso
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Hi to both of you, I was wondering if I could have a connection to your Zamora lines. I have a Maria de los Dolores Zamora (appears as Pimentel too) married to Ramon Silva. The dates I have are abt 1750/1745 (her/him). They had several children (I know about 6 of them) all born at Paso Blanco, Michoacan (accross the river in La Barca, Jalisco), mi direct ancestor from the was Maria del Carmen Silva born abt 1773 and married to Joseph Vicente Valdivia. I founf all this information in film from La Barca, Jal.

I wonder if you have any Ma de los Dolores ZAMORA in your records and/or any information about her parents?

(parents) Ramon Silva & Ma de los Dolores ZAMORA abt 1745/1750
(daugther) Ma del Carmen Silva Zamora born abt 1773 in Paso Blanco, Mich (La Barca, Jal records)
"married to" Joseph Vicente Valdivia on 18 Jun 1791 La Barca, Jal.

Hope to hear from you soon and see if there something you can help me. Thank you in advance for any assitance
LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA
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Sorry, I descend from the Zamoras but havent worked on it extensively, YET, these same Zamora should all be related, they settled in El Valle de Zamora a little bit north in Michoacán in the late 1500's. The original compuesto surname was Gutiérrez de Zamora. -Daniel Camino Hope sheds some light.
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Hola Rafa, que tal tu fin?
Yo fui con mi hermana y mi sobrinita a Ixtapan de la Sal desayunamos en el Marriot (antes era del Rey, te acuerdas que cuando trabajé en el casino ese nos llevaron a la apertura, me acordé que esa noche yo estaba atendiendo al diputado Felipe Calderón hoy Presidente, quien lo diría no?) el hotel sigue igual, luego pasamos al spa unos masajitos ricos, tina romana con agua apestosa a azufre, y de regreso pasamos a comer a Texcaltitlan, hay un restaurante con un lago y puedes pescar, no pesqué nada, comimos y llegamos a Tejupilco como a las 7:30.
Necesito saber si me vas a poder ver el miercoles.
Porfa avisame.
Te mando un abrazo grande.Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez
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Hello Jaime and Bill--
The Gómez de Espejo did originate in Jalisco, more specifically Ayo El Chico, Ocotlán and Tepatitlán and surrounding areas, They were seated in Ayo El Chico to begin with. All the Juana Gómez de Espejo, Bill had listed are grandchildren and descendants of Juana I Gómez de Espejo "La Mayor" her surname was very popoular with her descendants, several adopted it. Ive researched Ayo and some of the main families were Gómez de Espejo, Camarena, Ruiz de Velasco and Hernández Gamiño these married extensiveley before going to the north in main Los Altos area i.e. Jalos etc. This is very interesting I like Bill have never seen a Gómez de Espejo this early in Aguas, they must have come from Ayo or aroundto Aguas. The Diego Gómez de Espejo--Bill had mentioned, was son of Domingo Hernández y Gamiño and Juana Gómez de Espejo, Diego had adopted his maternal surname, which is something huge, Ive usually seen mostly women take maternal names unless the son if named after the maternal grandfather etc. The Espejo family is very interesting when marrying with the Velasco and Gamiños. Most of the time all the daughters would adopt Espejo while then sons adopted there father whether being Velasco or Gamiño. These 3 families were very close-knitted, often many 1st cousins married. And Mencia Ruiz de Velasco daughter of Pedro Ruiz de Velasco and Ana Núñez who came from México City to Ayo El Chico, Ive estimated between 1619-1625 or so when they left DF. I did find Pedro II Ruiz de Velasco baptism in Mexico City the main patriarch of Velascos Alteño.

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Thanks Daniel for the very interesting info. It would be great if we could establish the connection.

Jaime

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From: "Daniel M�ndez del Camino"
To: "Patty Hoyos"
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:16:17 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ana Dominguez de Inojos

Hello Jaime and Bill--
The Gómez de Espejo did originate in Jalisco, more specifically Ayo El Chico, Ocotlán and Tepatitlán and surrounding areas, They were seated in Ayo El Chico to begin with. All the Juana Gómez de Espejo, Bill had listed are grandchildren and descendants of Juana I Gómez de Espejo "La Mayor" her surname was very popoular with her descendants, several adopted it. Ive researched Ayo and some of the main families were Gómez de Espejo, Camarena, Ruiz de Velasco and Hernández Gamiño these married extensiveley before going to the north in main Los Altos area i.e. Jalos etc. This is very interesting I like Bill have never seen a Gómez de Espejo this early in Aguas, they must have come from Ayo or aroundto Aguas. The Diego Gómez de Espejo--Bill had mentioned, was son of Domingo Hernández y Gamiño and Juana Gómez de Espejo, Diego had adopted his maternal surname, which is something huge, Ive usually seen mostly women take maternal names unless the son if named after the maternal grandfather etc. The Espejo family is very interesting when marrying with the Velasco and Gamiños. Most of the time all the daughters would adopt Espejo while then sons adopted there father whether being Velasco or Gamiño. These 3 families were very close-knitted, often many 1st cousins married. And Mencia Ruiz de Velasco daughter of Pedro Ruiz de Velasco and Ana Núñez who came from México City to Ayo El Chico, Ive estimated between 1619-1625 or so when they left DF. I did find Pedro II Ruiz de Velasco baptism in Mexico City the main patriarch of Velascos Alteño.

-Daniel Camino
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Hello Daniel,

Thanks for the info. Maybe we can find the direct link between Juan
Hernandez (who married Ana Alonso de los Inojos aka Ana Dominguez) and the
Gomez de Espejo of los Altos de Jalisco.

Bill

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Hello Jaime and Bill--

The Gómez de Espejo did originate in Jalisco, more specifically Ayo El
Chico, Ocotlán, Tepatitlán and surrounding areas...etc.

-Daniel Camino

R.A.Ricci
The Hernandez-Gamno family first settled in Aguascalientes. Domingo Hernandez-Gamino and Juana Gomez del Espejo had a few children born there. They moved to Leon where some of their children were married. They spread to Ayo el Chico and Arandas, with branches later extending to Jalostotitlan and San Miguel el Alto.
Brothers Juan and Blas Hernandez-Gamino married two Dominguez sisters.
Juan married Ana and they had a daughter named Juana who married Juan Macias-Valadez

Blas married Luisa on 19/jul/1654 in Aguascalientes, and had a daughter also named Luisa who married Niclas de los Santos y Bustos on 12/jun/1696 also in aguascalientes
Blas was also known as Blas Gomez Espejo

My wife and I both descend from the hernandez-Dominguez lines.
Feel free to ask me for more information. Steve hernandez wrote a very good article documenting his lines of the family. The work is incomplete as it focuses more on his personal lines but it is a good starting point for your research on the Hernandez-Gamino famiy and I highly recommend it.

Can you clarify who were the parents of Juan and Blas Hernandez-Gamino? Were they Domingo and Juana?

Jaime

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Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:07:36 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] hernandez-gamono & Dominguez Connection

R.A.Ricci
The Hernandez-Gamno family first settled in Aguascalientes. Domingo Hernandez-Gamino and Juana Gomez del Espejo had a few children born there. They moved to Leon where some of their children were married. They spread to Ayo el Chico and Arandas, with branches later extending to Jalostotitlan and San Miguel el Alto.
Brothers Juan and Blas Hernandez-Gamino married two Dominguez sisters.
Juan married Ana and they had a daughter named Juana who married Juan Macias-Valadez

Blas married Luisa on 19/jul/1654 in Aguascalientes, and had a daughter also named Luisa who married Niclas de los Santos y Bustos on 12/jun/1696 also in aguascalientes
Blas was also known as Blas Gomez Espejo

My wife and I both descend from the hernandez-Dominguez lines.
Feel free to ask me for more information. Steve hernandez wrote a very good article documenting his lines of the family. The work is incomplete as it focuses more on his personal lines but it is a good starting point for your research on the Hernandez-Gamino famiy and I highly recommend it.

Domingo Hernandez-Gamino and Juana Gomez del Espejo are the parents of Juan and Blas. Juan Hernandez Gamino used his father's last name more often but his brother interchangeably used Hernandez Gamino and GHomez de Espejo as his last name.I have more dates and info on parents and siblings if you want it.

R.A.Ricci

I am very interested in receiving additional information on this family. A few weeks ago, here in the Nuestros Ranchos, after I transcribed the marriage record of Juan Macias Valades and Juana Dominguez, we realized that the name listed for Juana at her wedding was Juana Gomez Espejo (as opossed to Domingues -as it later appears in christenings and weddings of her children). We began to wonder where the Gomez Espejo came from. The information you provided has shed light on that mistery.By the way, If you don't have it already and are interested, I can send you a jpg file of the marriage of Juan Macias Valades and Juana.

Jaime

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:47:22 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Domingo Hernandez-Gamino and Juana Gomez del Espejo

Domingo Hernandez-Gamino and Juana Gomez del Espejo are the parents of Juan and Blas. Juan Hernandez Gamino used his father's last name more often but his brother interchangeably used Hernandez Gamino and GHomez de Espejo as his last name.I have more dates and info on parents and siblings if you want it.

R.A.Ricci

Message for R.A.Ricci

I am puzzled about the information you provided about the "Hernández-Gamiño"
and "Gómez de Espejo" families of Aguascalientes. I have been extracting
information from many "Registros Parroquiales" of the 17th and early 18th
centuries (except for LDS Film #299423) but so far the only reference to the
"Gómez de Espejo" surname I have seen is the one mentioned by Jaime
Alvarado. You said that both Juan and Blas Hernández used the surnames
"Hernández-Gamiño" and "Gómez de Espejo" interchangeably. Could you name
some specific records where these compounded surnames were used? (in
Aguascalientes, of course).
Thank you.

Bill Figueroa

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Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Domingo Hernandez-Gamino and Juana Gomez del
Espejo

I am very interested in receiving additional information on this family. A
few weeks ago, here in the Nuestros Ranchos, after I transcribed the
marriage record of Juan Macias Valades and Juana Dominguez, we realized that
the name listed for Juana at her wedding was Juana Gomez Espejo (as opossed
to Domingues -as it later appears in christenings and weddings of her
children). We began to wonder where the Gomez Espejo came from. The
information you provided has shed light on that mistery.By the way, If you
don't have it already and are interested, I can send you a jpg file of the
marriage of Juan Macias Valades and Juana.

Jaime

To Jaime: I would love to have the picture and any aditional info you may send.

To Bill: I do not have all my records in front of me at the moment but I seem to recall that I first started looking for gomez de espejo when I read the SHHAR journal volume V, i think where Steven hernandez provided that information. I then used that information to springboard my own continuing investigations into the family.
A little added info:
Blas Hernandes married Luisa Dominguez on 16/jul/1654 in Aguascalientes
Juan Hernandez (Jr.) was baptized by Juan Hernandez and ana Dominguez on 9/may/1672 also in aguascalientes

My wife also descends from a Agustin Hernandez I have the film # but have not had a chance to order it
R.A.Ricci

Hi Bill and others that might know Steven,

Steven Hernandez is a member of the group though he has not been active
for several years. To find some of his work you can go to his folder in
the files area, here is that link: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14144

If anyone in the group is in contact with Steven please encourage him to
drop into the discussion occasionally as his genealogical depth can only
add to the rich knowledge base already found in the group.

joseph

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Bill Figueroa wrote:
> To: R.A.Ricci
>
> Thank you for your answer. Where can I find the SHHAR journal volume
> V? I would love to see Steven Hernández family tree.
>
> Bill
>

Are you stuck on the juan manuel romero married to mariana Casas line? I may be able to help you.
Rick

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From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of Joseph Puentes
Sent: Sun 2/15/2009 2:37 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] hernandez-gamino & dominguez

Hi Bill and others that might know Steven,

Steven Hernandez is a member of the group though he has not been active
for several years. To find some of his work you can go to his folder in
the files area, here is that link: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14144

If anyone in the group is in contact with Steven please encourage him to
drop into the discussion occasionally as his genealogical depth can only
add to the rich knowledge base already found in the group.

joseph

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Bill Figueroa wrote:
> To: R.A.Ricci
>
> Thank you for your answer. Where can I find the SHHAR journal volume
> V? I would love to see Steven Hernández family tree.
>
> Bill
>

I am still trying to get a copy of it for you. I went back to read it again and, combined with my notes have new info for you.
It seems that the Juan hernandez "el Escribano" arrived in Patzcuaro,Michoacan and bought property there: an hacienda named Tombendan where he also owned a trapiche (un molino de cana y asucar).
He is also shown to be a vecino de la villa de salamanca Guanajuato. I find his children baptisms in aguascalientes so I believe that he moved between these three places and settling most probably in leon gto because of the childrens marriage certificates.
steve states that he had 1 son and at least 4 daughters. He states that we descend from his son Domingo Hernandez Gamino who married Juana Gomez de Espejo. I am interested in finding the information on Domigo's sisters.

Domingo and Juana had at least 12 children:
Domingo Hernandez Gamino
Isabel Gomez de Espejo
Nicolas Gamino
Cristobal Hernandez Gamino m. Maria Ruiz de Velasco
Margarita de Espejo
Blas Hernandez Gamino (Blas Hernandez de Espejo)m. Luisa Dominguez
Juana Gomez del Espejo
Anna Gomez del Espejo (Ana o antonia Espejo)m. Luis antonio de Salcedo de los Reyes
Juan Hernandez de Espejo m. Anna Dominguez ( sister to Luisa)
Diego Gomez Gamino m. Mencia Ruiz de Velasco
Maria Gomez de Espejo
Tomas Hernandez Gamino m. Geronima Liebana
R.A.Ricci

I come from Blas Hernández y Gamiño and Margarita Gómez de Espejo.

I have a total of 13 kids for Domingo and Juana

(dont ask for sources all are from Familysearch with no film numbers just bunch of apprx. dates!)

Cristóbal HG

Antonia (Ana) G. d. E.

Tomás HG

Blas HG

Domingo HG

Diego G. d. E.

Catalina G. d. E

Juan HG

Isabel GDE

Nicolás HG

Margarita GDE

Juana GDE

María GDE

My lines:

Tronco Común: Domingo Hernández y Gamiño

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Blas Hernández y Gamiño Margarita Gómez de Espejo

Pedro Hernández y Gamiño Nicolasa Cortés

Cristóbal Hernández y Gamiño José Rubio de Borbón

José Gabriel Hernández y Gamiño Juan Manuel Rubio de Borbón

María Rita Juliana Hernández y Gamiño Ancelmo Rubio de Borbón

Juan José Manuel Rubio de Borbón (Bourbón) José Antonio Rubio de Borbón

Ancelmo Rubio de Borbón María Daría Atilana Refugio Rubio de Borbón

José Antonio Rubio de Borbón Lucía de Serrano

María Daría Atilana Refugio Rubio de Borbón Martín Méndez

Lucía de Serrano José Gabriel Méndez

Martín Méndez Daniel Méndez del Camino

José Gabriel Méndez

Daniel Méndez del Camino

By the way do you have anything on Antonio Cortés who married Margarita Gómez de Espejo around 1679 in Ayotlán? I do know Antonio died in 17 oct 1701. But not sure where

Ayo? Is there a well known Cortés family in Ayo El Chico? -Thanks

Daniel Camino

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Joseph, I spoke to Steven last week, we are supposed to get together as time allows for both of us to do some sharing and comparing. He is an amazing research machine. I will ask him if he is interested.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] hernandez-gamino & dominguez

Hi Bill and others that might know Steven,

Steven Hernandez is a member of the group though he has not been active
for several years. To find some of his work you can go to his folder in
the files area, here is that link: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14144

If anyone in the group is in contact with Steven please encourage him to
drop into the discussion occasionally as his genealogical depth can only
add to the rich knowledge base already found in the group.

joseph

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Bill Figueroa wrote:
> To: R.A.Ricci
>
> Thank you for your answer. Where can I find the SHHAR journal volume
> V? I would love to see Steven Hernández family tree.
>
> Bill
>

I have a copy of it. I will try to see how I can get another copy for you. I think he has done wonderful work. my trail of the hernandez tree makes me believe, because of the births and marriages that the family mainly first settled in Aguascalientes before moving on to Leon Gto(Marriage certificates) and then on to ayo el chico and arandas. they may have passed by there on their way to aguascalientes and decided to comeback to ayo el chico, i do not know. I do have the family in aguasclientes before I see them in leon. They seemed to stay long enough in leon for a couple of marriages if I remember correctly and then I find family in Ayo el chico. I did not work on this lin too much previously but have been doing so for the past weekss because I found that my mother in law descends from two of the hernandez gamino lines. She is probably a 5th or 6th cousin to steven hernandez. I havent work out their relationship yet.
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From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of Bill Figueroa
Sent: Sun 2/15/2009 1:32 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] hernandez-gamino & dominguez

To: R.A.Ricci

Thank you for your answer. Where can I find the SHHAR journal volume V? I
would love to see Steven Hernández family tree.

Bill

Domingo Hernandez-Gamino and Juana Gomez del Espejo are the parents of Juan and Blas. Juan Hernandez Gamino used his father's last name more often but his brother interchangeably used Hernandez Gamino and GHomez de Espejo as his last name.I have more dates and info on parents and siblings if you want it.

R.A.Ricci

Jaime,

You are correct. Pedro Alonso de los Inojos and Ana Dominguez married in Sierra de Pinos 3 May 1632 and had ten children before 1650. At least seven of them were baptized at the old "Parroquia de la Asuncion de Aguascalientes", including their daughter Ana Dominguez, who went by her mother's name. This Ana married twice. First, she married Juan Hernandez (I haven't found their marriage record either) who died Feb 1688 in Aguascalientes. After her husband died, she married Francisco Fernandez de Palos Dec 1688 at Las Peñuelas. They had no children, as Ana was already 49 years old. The parents of the first Ana Dominguez (who married Pedro Alonso de los Inojos) were Miguel Diaz and Maria Medel. You're probably wondering: Where does the name Ana Dominguez come from...? Well, it's not that complicated. Maria Medel was the daughter of Pedro Medel and Ana Dominguez. The name of this first Ana Dominguez was used for several generations by her descendants, which is typical of that period.

Hope this helps.

Bill Figueroa

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaime Alvarado"
To:
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:06 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ana Dominguez de Inojos

Juana Dominguez (Married to Juan Macias Valadez, 12 Jun 1683 in Aguascalientes) was daughter of Juan Hernandez and Ana Dominguez. Juana had at least 6 siblings. In the baptismal records of one of these, Ana is listed as Ana Domingues de los Inojos (Hinojos). I've not been able to locate Juan & Ana's marriage record, to find the names of Juana's grandparents, so I've hit a road block. However, I found a potential couple: Pedro Alonso de los Inojos and Ana Domingues (died 14 August 1675). Could these be Ana's parents and thus Juana's grandparents? Any help will be appreciated.

Jaime

Edgar Olguin Diaz
un cordial saludo jaime
una pregunta donde puedo encontrar el registro matrimonial de pedro alonso de los inojos con ana dominguez?
aqui mencionas la fecha 3 mayo 1632 y el lugar de sierra pinos
estuve checando en la pagina de familysearch.org lo busque en pinos zacatecas
y no aparece las microfilm de ese año .
me podria pasar el ling de la pagina o me podria decir donde buscarlo .
te lo agradeceria mucho
gracias

Edgar,
La informacion que mencionas fue aportada por Bill Figueroa en un mensaje que me envio a mi el 20 de Enero de 2009. No estoy seguro cual fue la fuente que el utilizo, ya que yo tampoco tengo ese film. Quiza Bill nos puede aclarar cual fue la fuente.

Saludos

Jaime Alvarado

Jaime, Edgar

La fecha del matrimonio de Pedro Alonso de los Inojos con Ana Dominguez lo encontré en la Página 2 del libro "San Gabriel Valley Families of Nueva Galicia" publicado en el año 2007 por Rosanne González-Hardy, el cual dice lo siguiente:

"Alonso de los Inojos, Pedro"

"He married Ana Dominguez on 3 may 1632 in
Sierra de Pinos, Zacatecas. He was buried on 23
March 1660 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes."

Rosanne obtuvo la información para su libro leyendo microfilms en un Centro de Historia Familiar antes que estos fueran digitalizados. Lamentable, yo no he tenido tiempo de verificar ese dato, pero la fecha coincide con el nacimiento de sus hijos. Rosanne es una genealogista muy capaz y con muchísima experiencia. Además, es miembro de Nuestros Ranchos y probablemente podría decirnos cual es el número del microfilm donde encontró ese dato.

Saludos,

BILL FIGUEROA

Yo también desciendo por dos lineas de esta pareja. Según Mariano
González-Leal en Retoños de España que por datos proporcionados por Mary
Lou Montagna el matrimonio transcurrió el 3 mayo 1620 en Sierra de Pinos y
tuvieron a una hija llamada María por 1621 que casó con Diego de Orozco el
14 de abril 1637 en Aguascalientes.

2013/6/1 Jaime R. Alvarado

> Bill,
> Muchas gracias por la cita referente al matrimonio de Pedro Alonso de los
> Hinojos y Ana Dominguez,
>
> Jaime

Estimado Armando,

No sé si tengo un dato erróneo, mas tengo en mis archivos que el capitán Pedro Alonso de los Hinojos y Ana Magdalena Domínguez casaron el dia 3 de mayo de 1632 en la parroquia de San Matías en Sierra de Pinos.

Caso sea útil, su hija María también fue conocida como María de Medal. Hubo otro hermano cuyo nombre era Diego de Medel bautisado el 19 de marzo de 1636 en Aguascalientes. Era clérigo en la Iglesia Católico cuyo cargo e oficio era Diácono. Lo siguiente se encuentra en mis archivos:

"Parece como Diego de Medel en 3 de feb de 1655 como padrino en el casamiento de Nicolás Masías, esclavo mulato de su padre don Pedro Alonso de los Hinojos, tambien parece como madrina su hermana Isabel Dominguez."

Espero que sea útil para sus investigaciones. Yo como otros dentro el foro soy descendiente del capitán Pedro Alonso de los Hinojos. Dos veces por mi padre y tres veces por lo materno.

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

Estimado Daniel,

Es un placer tener nueva comunicación contigo. Por el contenido de *Retoños
de España En La Nueva Galicia* le fecha de matrimonio de Pedro Alonso de
los Hinojos y Ana Domínguez fue el 3 de mayo de 1620. Si sabia que María
usó el apellido tal como parece en el registro matrimonial con Diego de
Orozco y Velasco* *el 14 de abril 1637 en Aguascalientes.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-52111-21?cc=1502404&…

Así como María casó en 1637 la fecha de matrimonio de sus padres debería de
ser, mínimo, catorce años anteriores, como lo fue 1620.

Los otros datos que aportas también vienen mencionados en *Retoños de
España En La Nueva Galicia *aún agradezco la ayuda.

Saludos,
Armando*

*
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2013/6/3 Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino

> Estimado Armando,
>
> No sé si tengo un dato erróneo, mas tengo en mis archivos que el capitán
> Pedro Alonso de los Hinojos y Ana Magdalena Domínguez casaron el dia 3 de
> mayo de 1632 en la parroquia de San Matías en Sierra de Pinos.
>
> Caso sea útil, su hija María también fue conocida como María de Medal.
> Hubo otro hermano cuyo nombre era Diego de Medel bautisado el 19 de marzo
> de 1636 en Aguascalientes. Era clérigo en la Iglesia Católico cuyo cargo e
> oficio era Diácono. Lo siguiente se encuentra en mis archivos:
>
> "Parece como Diego de Medel en 3 de feb de 1655 como padrino en el
> casamiento de Nicolás Masías, esclavo mulato de su padre don Pedro Alonso
> de los Hinojos, tambien parece como madrina su hermana Isabel Dominguez."
>
> Espero que sea útil para sus investigaciones. Yo como otros dentro el foro
> soy descendiente del capitán Pedro Alonso de los Hinojos. Dos veces por mi
> padre y tres veces por lo materno.
>
> Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
>

Hola a todos,

Logré comunicarme con doña Mary Lou Montagna y me envió una copia del registro matrimonial de Pedro Alonso de los Hinojos y Ana Domínguez. Dijo que ella misma se había ido a Pinos, Zacatecas hace 20 años y que el que era el encargado de los archivos, Ricardo Acosta Gómez, fue muy amable y servicial.

Parece que Rose Hardy había sacado la fecha de matrimonio de "The Genealogy of Juan Montañez and his descendants in Aguascalientes, San Luis Potosí and Zacatecas" editado por Mary Lou Montagna y por un error apuntó el año de matrimonio de María Medel con Diego de Orozco y Velasco en vez del año 1620 como lo fue.

Pedí el permiso de Mary Lou de publicar una copia aquí en Nuestros Ranchos y la subí a http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/21563

Saludos,
Armando

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