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wow. that's a mouthful. Do you have any dates and resource info for these? -----Original Message-----From: "R. A. Ricci" [rricci@lausd.net]Date: 02/19/2009 12:24 PMTo: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.orgSubject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Marin de la Pena losa Juan marin and Elbira Juarez de Penalosa are the parents of another Juan Marin who married 9/Jan/1583 in Mexico City to Cathalina Arenas the daughter of Juan Gonzalez and Luisa De la Cuevas. Juan Marin and Cathalina Arenas were the parents of at least 2 children: Juan Marin De la Pena losa and Catharina (Cathalina) Marin de la Penalosa Catharina de la penalosa married Joseph de Alba Retamosa, son of Alonso De Alba and Leonor de Retamosa Leonor de Retamosa was the daughter of Nicolas Macias Valadez and, her namesake Leonor Reramosa. Joseph de alba and catharina Marin de la penalosa Arenas (she sometimes reversed the surnames) were the parents of at least 2 siblings, Cristobal de alba y arenas and Ildefonso (Alonso) De A
lba You already have Cristobal's info. Ildefonso married jacinta juana Jimenez on the 17/may/1653 in Aguascalientes source299421. I have not had a chance to pull it up yet. if you do can you please let me know what it says. Ildefonso and jacinta Juana are the parents of Juan antonio de alva who married Maria Valdivia daughter of Manuel alderete Valdivia and Maria de la mora (Zamora) Ihave this line if you need it Juan antonio and maria valdivia were the parents of Teresa De Alba who married her distant cousin Manuel Marin de la pena losa, son of Nicolas Marin de la pena losa and Teresa de Chavez Nicolas was the son of Melchor Marin de la pena losa and Lucrecia Ocampo (Perez) (Lucrecia has a half brother, same father with the last name Perez- I will follow up on this lead later to get her parents.) Melchor was the son of Juan Marin de la pena losa and ana herrera. Juan Marin de la Pena losa is the brother of Catharina Marin de la Pena Losa and son Of Juan Marin de la p
ena losa and Cathalina Arenas Manuel and teresa were the parents Maria Joseph Potenciana Marin de la pena losa arenas (she is mistakenly referred to Martin in one record- she went a wide variety of last names) Ma.Jpha Potenciana married Jose Manuel Cardenas son of Juan Marcos Cardenas y Mendoza and Gertudis Esquibias ( I have the ancestry worked out, it is extensive and is part of the book that I am writing on the rodriguez de hijar family Jose Manuel Cardenas and Josefa were the parents of Maria Thomaza Cardenas Arenas Marin de La Pena Losa who married Jose Antonio Franco Casillas, son of Carlos Juan Antonio Franco de paredes and Ma. Magdalena de santa rita Cassilas y Cabrera (y de la torre) They had many children who are my ancestors over and over again. I am sorry i did not provide more dates and locations, as time permits I will learn to upload my data to my file folder. R.A.Ricci -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List To po
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Because of the marriage date there is a question regarding the identity of Josefa's maternal grandmother. I reviewed all my notes and have confimed her parents, paternal grandparents and their ancestry, her maternal grandfather antonio de alva and his ancestry.

I need to do more research on Teresa De Alba's mother Maria Valdivia de la Mora for I did not have enough information in my notes to confirm her identity.On the contrary, I believe that I have made a mistake here or Maria Valdivia and teresa de alva were having kids at 10-11 years old which does not sound right.
R.A.Ricci

Teresa de Alba's parents are Juan Antonio De Alba and Maria Valdivia. I do not have confirmed dates as to their marriage but someone submitted an IGI record for Juan De alba and maria valdivia marrying about 1705 in Aguascalientes, with Maria Valdivia being born about 1684. This would make teresa 13 to 14 years old when she got married which is young but common in those times.
The problem is that Maria Valdivia is not the daughter of Manuel Valdivia Alderete and Maria de la Mora. Manuel Alderete and Maria de la Mora were married 2/feb/1698 in Tepa with Maria de la Mora being baptized on20/Feb/1683 also in Tepatitlan.

I am sorry for the confusion.
R.A.Ricci

A little more research has added even more to the confusion. It seems that antonio was a popular name that was used over and over again for siblings. Juan antonio de alba, Francisco Antonio de Alba, and also cuts across generations of de albas. This may have added to the confusion as to who teresa de albas mother and maternal grandparents are......We also need to make sure we have the same antonio as the father and not one of the siblings.

R.A.Ricci

yes I do have dates and sources but like you said it is a mouthful. I will upload my data later. if someone ask for info I would like to give it to them as soon as possible. To write everything down when someone ask for help is to write a book everytime...

By the way I did the research and have not seen this branch with this information in any book.

Most genealogist have taken the mistaken "martin" in one record and had a deadend. They did not folllow the correct Marin line.

R.A.Ricci

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