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Family History Center "Under Pilot Search" I am searching for Andres Tinajero and Macsimiana Huerta. when I entered Andres Tinajero "Jose Evaristo Tinajero" his son pulls up and it says that Andres and Mcsimian are the parents which is good however....it does not lists Andres parents. Then I go to Family History and put in the Batch Number or the Film numbre it brings up a list of people but Jose Evaristo nor Andress nor Macsimia pull up. Shouldn't they pull up.

Hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

Here is the info I got from Pilot Search. please help

Record Info.

Jose Evaristo Tinajero Huerta
Male
Nov 7 1844
San Felipe Apostol San Felipe Gto
Andres Tinajero
Macsimiana Huerta
C04152-5
Mexico-Easy
644385

Maria:

You are going to have to order the film from a family history center since whomever extracted the records did not list the grandparents' names in the children's baptism records nor the parents' names in the marriage records.

You should get in the habit of reading the actual records regardless (even when the information is online). You will be surprised how often the information is transcribed incorrectly or better yet how much more information there is in the actual record, such as padrino's names, short tidbits of information about the people, etc. which will not be in the extractions online.

Maria,

Your best bet is to order the film for Maria Eufemia Tinagera Huerta, film #0646894.
It should say who her parents and grandparents are.  You can also order marriages for San Felipe, Guanajuato, M608934, film # 0644414.  It covers years 1836-1843; since their first child was born there.  Also check and see if there is a "Informacion Matrimonial" for that time period. 
Also I did find a Jose Andres Tinagero Cruz, ch. 9 Nov 1817, Jaumave, Tamaulipas, Mex.
Good luck in your search. 
--Esther

Yes I had the names of Andres and Maximian Huerta's children and I did see that 
he married Maximiana Lopez in 1840 but that is kind of strange don't you think? 
 

Both named Maximiana!!  It seems like the marriage did not last because his 
first child with Maximiana Huerta was born in 1841 (Maria Eufemia Tinajear 
Huerta born in 1841) and his first marriage was in 1840.  Unless this Maximiana 
is the same person.  It has to be because he married on 02/24/1840 and had his 
first child 03/28/1841 that's 13 months and 9 months pregnant that leave 4 
month in between just enough for her to get pregnant.

what do you think...now this is confusing.

I'm still trying to find Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Huerta's parents 
though.

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Maria, I also had the same situation. I went to Advance Search....then entered the batch
number in Vital Records...and was able to
secure the information.
Hope this works for you...

--- On Tue, 9/1/09, maria.cortes@trin.net wrote:

From: maria.cortes@trin.net
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cortez Alvarado
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 8:33 AM

Need help with Pilot Search.

Family History Center "Under Pilot Search"  I am searching for Andres Tinajero and Macsimiana Huerta.  when I entered Andres Tinajero "Jose Evaristo Tinajero" his son pulls up and it says that Andres and Mcsimian are the parents which is good however....it does not lists Andres parents.  Then I go to Family History and put in the Batch Number or the Film numbre it brings up a list of people but Jose Evaristo nor Andress nor Macsimia pull up.  Shouldn't they pull up.

Hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

Here is the info I got from Pilot Search.  please help

Record Info.

Jose Evaristo Tinajero Huerta
Male
Nov 7 1844
San Felipe Apostol San Felipe Gto
Andres Tinajero
Macsimiana Huerta
C04152-5
Mexico-Easy
644385

The record in the film indicated often sometimes list the Paternal and
Maternal Grand Parents so you need to always look at the film for additional
information. You can also find notes in the margins that might lead you to
more sources.

When the extraction took place from whence the data comes from often the
Grand parents names were omitted even though they were on the record.

Good luck Maria,

Saludos desde Lago Salado
Eduardo H Seoane

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:33 AM, wrote:

> Need help with Pilot Search.
>
> Family History Center "Under Pilot Search" I am searching for Andres
> Tinajero and Macsimiana Huerta. when I entered Andres Tinajero "Jose
> Evaristo Tinajero" his son pulls up and it says that Andres and Mcsimian are
> the parents which is good however....it does not lists Andres parents. Then
> I go to Family History and put in the Batch Number or the Film numbre it
> brings up a list of people but Jose Evaristo nor Andress nor Macsimia pull
> up. Shouldn't they pull up.
>
> Hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
>
> Here is the info I got from Pilot Search. please help
>
> Record Info.
>
> Jose Evaristo Tinajero Huerta
> Male
> Nov 7 1844
> San Felipe Apostol San Felipe Gto
> Andres Tinajero
> Macsimiana Huerta
> C04152-5
> Mexico-Easy
> 644385
>

Maybe I'm not understanding but for example:

Andres Tinajero's son (Jose Evaristo Tinajero Huerta) was born in the year 1844 so that means that Andres could have been born between 1820 and 1825. When I extract using the batch number C04152-5 the people that come up have a Christian Birth day between 1840 and 1843 so they can't be the paternal or maternal grandparents right?
Should it pull paternal and maternal grandparents with years between 1800 and 1820?

Sorry if I'm not understanding.

Also show paternal grandparnts will they be Evaristo of Andres?

Here's something else that may help.
Andres Tinajero y Macsimiana Huerta had the following children:
Jose Evaristo Tinajero Huerta, ch. 7 Nov 1844, San Felipe, Guanajuato
[C608916 (1843-1847) film 0644385];
Maria Melquiades Tinajero Huerta, ch. 17 Dec. 1842, San Felipe, Guanajuato
[C608915 (1840-1843) film 0644384];
Jose Feliz Tinajera Huerta, ch. 26 May 1850, San Isidro de Ocampo, Guanajuato
[C646896 (1845-1852) film 0646896];
Ma. Leonarda Tinajero Huerta, ch. 14 Nov 1847, San Isidro de Ocampo, Guanajuato
[C606823 (1845-1852) film 0646896];
Maria Eufemia Tinagera Huerta, ch. 28 Mar 1841, San Isidro de Ocampo, Guanajuato
[C606821 (1674-1845) film 0646894];
Jose RemigioTinagero Guerta, ch. 11 October 1846, San Isidro de Ocampo, Guanajuato
[C606822 (1845-1852) film 0646895];

I also found a marriage that may or may not be:  Andres Tinajero married Maximiana Lopez in San Felipe, Guanajuato on 24 February 1840 [M608934 (1836-1843) film 0644414.

The year works and so does the location.

Hope this helps.  -Esther

Need help with Pilot Search.

Family History Center "Under Pilot Search"  I am searching for Andres Tinajero 
and Macsimiana Huerta.  when I entered Andres Tinajero "Jose Evaristo Tinajero" 
his son pulls up and it says that Andres and Mcsimian are the parents which is 
good however....it does not lists Andres parents.  Then I go to Family History 
and put in the Batch Number or the Film numbre it brings up a list of people 
but Jose Evaristo nor Andress nor Macsimia pull up.  Shouldn't they pull up.

Hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

Here is the info I got from Pilot Search.  please help

Record Info.

Jose Evaristo Tinajero Huerta
Male
Nov 7 1844
San Felipe Apostol San Felipe Gto
Andres Tinajero
Macsimiana Huerta
C04152-5
Mexico-Easy
644385

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Yes I had the names of Andres and Maximian Huerta's children and I did see that he married Maximiana Lopez in 1840 but that is kind of strange don't you think?

Both named Maximiana!! It seems like the marriage did not last because his first child with Maximiana Huerta was born in 1841 (Maria Eufemia Tinajear Huerta born in 1841) and his first marriage was in 1840. Unless this Maximiana is the same person. It has to be because he married on 02/24/1840 and had his first child 03/28/1841 that's 13 months and 9 months pregnant that leave 4 month in between just enough for her to get pregnant.

what do you think...now this is confusing.

I'm still trying to find Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Huerta's parents though.

I couldn't quite make out the handwriting in the death record of a
young child, but after studying it I decided it could only be "murió de
ojo". That didn't make sense so I looked up the many definitions of
"ojo" and guessed it might mean suddenly without apparent cause. Then
my wife told me that "de ojo" or "mal de ojo" was a superstition that
someone could be killed by a look, an evil eye, a sort of witchcraft.
Has anyone else run across this?

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Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

My mother always told us the story about one of my sisters who she felt had died from this and had someone do a "remedy" to prevent her from being sick. I think there were many old wives tales in our culture years ago and even though she told the story I don't think she really believed it. Also, my sister did die but probably from something else!

Teri Romero

________________________________
From: Stuart Armstrong
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:48:41 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] murió de ojo

I couldn't quite make out the handwriting in the death record of a
young child, but after studying it I decided it could only be "murió de
ojo". That didn't make sense so I looked up the many definitions of
"ojo" and guessed it might mean suddenly without apparent cause. Then
my wife told me that "de ojo" or "mal de ojo" was a superstition that
someone could be killed by a look, an evil eye, a sort of witchcraft.
Has anyone else run across this?

--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

Stuart,

For what it's worth.  As a very young child I remember an old Mexican lady coming up to my younger brother, placing her finger in her mouth then placing that finger in my brother's mouth.   My mother, needless to say, jumped all over the woman.  She apoligized and explained she had the "Evil Eye" and this was  her way of  preventing any harm coming to my brother.   Surprisingly , my mother believed h er and later  expl ained to us  what happened and the superstition.

Ray Jauregui 

I think this is a very common belief. My mom tells a the story that
way back when she and her siblings were kids, one my grandfathers
workers thought one of my aunts was really cute and couldn't keep his
eyes off of her. Later that night she was really sick, according to
them the worker "le hiso ojo". They had to get him or the priest to
cure her.

Another story is that my mother as a teenager "le hiso ojo" to one of
her neighbors sons (who was 3 and dressed as a little charro or with a
cowboy hat and boots, very cute either way). He was very sick that
night and they called her to go cure him. Because of this my mother
always told us that when ever we looked at a child like that ("que se
te haga curiouso") to touch the top of their heads and their face so
that we wouldn't "hacerles ojo".

2009/9/22 Stuart Armstrong :
> I couldn't quite make out the handwriting in the death record of a
> young child, but after studying it I decided it could only be "murió de
> ojo". That didn't make sense so I looked up the many definitions of
> "ojo" and guessed it might mean suddenly without apparent cause. Then
> my wife told me that "de ojo" or "mal de ojo" was a superstition that
> someone could be killed by a look, an evil eye, a sort of witchcraft.
> Has anyone else run across this?
>
> --
> Best regards,
>  Stuart                            mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com
>

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