I got to admit you may be right, the usual discussion is Los Altos,any alteno people those who married into Aguascalientes, and Zacatecasmaybe Guanajuato. IT seems were all around the topic of Los Altosde Jalisco, the keystone perhaps.
Regards,Daniel

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> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:06:05 -0700
> From: alicebb@att.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santelices, Valderrama...
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> --- On Mon, 3/15/10, Alice Blake wrote:
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> From: Alice Blake
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santelices, Valderrama...
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 9:10 PM
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> I'm sending this out again. I'm not sure that it got out, because I received zero response. Am I to believe that no one in this group has any info on these ancestors? Although the group is for those researching in the three MX states, after three years of membership, I get the feeling that unless you're from Los Altos, Jalos, Lagos de Moreno (just a few townships that come to mind), you're out of luck. I believe I've tried all resources on line and at the FHC, but I'm not sure, that's why I ask for the group's expertise. Thanks again for your help, Alice
>
> Dear Group,
> This research done on my maternal grandmother, Agustina Santelices, was done through FHC microfilms and their online resources. I've never found a connection with
> anyone in the group, but I remind myself that we hear from only a small portion of our approximate 400 members. Being a novice, and not as knowledgable as our active members,
> I'm hoping that some of the following names will make a connection. Any help or advice,
> is very welcome.
>
> My maternal grandmother Agustina Santelices was married to Luis Onate.
> I've been unable to find any information on either their marriage or the Onates. None of my
> known family members are interested in genealogy, so like many of you, I've
> had to do this on my own.
>
> Agustina Santelices born 05/25/1886 Vetagrande, Zacatecas daughter of:
> f. Francisco Santelices m. Maria Valderrama married 04/20/1882 Panuco, Zac
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> Paternal Side:
> Francisco Santelices b. ? Can't find this info
> f. Jose Maria Santelices b. 09/18/1801 Queretero, Queretero
> gf. Juan Fermin N Santelices b. date unknown, Santander, Castilla, Spain
> gm. Maria Luisa Sepulbeda b. date unknown, San Juan Del Rio (all it said. Queretero?)
> ggf. Tomas de Santelises b. nothing known, but probably Spain
> ggm. Antonia Ybanes b. nothing known, probably Spain
> ggf. Jose Gregorio Zepulbeda b. nothing known
> ggm. Maria Manuela Morales b. nothing known
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> Jose Ma Santelices and Ma Agustina Rubio married 04/12/1823 Santiago, Queretero
> Ma Luiza Sepulbeda and Juan Fermin Santelises married 02/27/1793 Queretaro, Que
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> Francisco Santelices b. ?
> m. Maria Agustina Rubio b. 05/05/1806 Tequisquiapan, Queretero
> gf. Domingo Antonio Rubio b. 04/08/1765 Huichapan, Hidalgo, Mexico
> gm. Juana Lizundia b. ?
> ggf Domingo Rubio b. ?
> ggm Petra de Anaya Villagran b. ?
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> Maternal Side of Agustina Santelices:
> m. Maria Valderrama b. ?
> g f. Manuel Valderrama b. ?
> gm. Maria Amada Diaz b. ?
> ggf. Jose Camilo Balderrama b. 07/14/1779 Asientos de Ibarra, Aguascalientes
> ggm Rafaela Valdez b. ?
> gggf. Juan Manuel Balderrama b. ?
> gggm. Maria Nicolasa Calderon b.?
> ggf. Pilar Diaz b. ?
> ggm. Juana Lozano b. ?
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> Thank you so much for your consideration and I hope to hear from you soon. Alice
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Alice,

Hang in there .... I know it seems frustrating but we all have lines that we
can't seem to connect to anyone in the group. We just have to keep trying.

-Angelina-

Alice, I'd really try but I didn't get another information like yours don't worry be patient.. I'm in the group many time ago and I still have 3 of my 4 lines only in my ggreatfather.. like 1890 can you Believe that? many people of here like me have searches in many places, Oaxaca, Chihuahua, Guanajuato, Monterrey, Campeche, Tamaulipas, Veracruz...but if I don't found anything I don't send a message..be sure many people are searching for your lines with your same luck. sorry about my english Lety Reynoso

>
> From: Alice Blake
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santelices, Valderrama...
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 9:10 PM
>
>
> I'm sending this out again. I'm not sure that it got out, because I received zero response. Am I to believe that no one in this group has any info on these ancestors? Although the group is for those researching in the three MX states, after three years of membership, I get the feeling that unless you're from Los Altos, Jalos, Lagos de Moreno (just a few townships that come to mind), you're out of luck. I believe I've tried all resources on line and at the FHC, but I'm not sure, that's why I ask for the group's expertise. Thanks again for your help, Alice
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I found these two entries online on *Pares.mcu.es* These might be your
ancestors. it would be really awesome if they were because one of the
documents is a suite over Hidalguia and the other is a suite over property.
Anyway good luck! There is probably additional info. I just don't have time
to keep on looking. This search took about ten minutes already. You'll have
to do some more research to find out if these are your ancestors or not.

Texto de búsqueda Tomas santelices , del Archivo Archivo de la Real
Chancillería de Valladolid , dentro de la unidad Real Audiencia y
Chancillería de Valladolid

*RESUMEN:*
Título de la unidad: "Pleito de Manuela de Santelices, de Santander
(Cantabria)
José de Santelices, de Santander (Cantabria)
Tomás de Santelices, de Santander (Cantabria)
José Antonio de Ulibarri, de Santander (Cantabria) Sobre Restitución a
Manuela, José y Tomás de Santelices, hijos de José de Santelices, de los
bienes de Plácida de Santelices, su hermana, fallcida en edad pupilar, en
virtud de las capitulaciones matrimoniales de sus padres."
Archivo: Archivo de la Real Chancillería de Valladolid
Signatura: PL CIVILES,PÉREZ ALONSO (F),CAJA 2699,1

Imprimir

[image: indicador de lista abierta] ÁREA DE IDENTIFICACIÓN
Código de Referencia:
ES.47186.ARCHV/1.1.3.2.1//PL CIVILES,PÉREZ ALONSO (F),CAJA 2699,1
Titulo Nombre atribuido:
Pleito de Manuela de Santelices, de Santander (Cantabria)
José de Santelices, de Santander (Cantabria)
Tomás de Santelices, de Santander (Cantabria)
José Antonio de Ulibarri, de Santander (Cantabria) Sobre Restitución a
Manuela, José y Tomás de Santelices, hijos de José de Santelices, de los
bienes de Plácida de Santelices, su hermana, fallcida en edad pupilar, en
virtud de las capitulaciones matrimoniales de sus padres.
Fecha Creación:
1757 - 1759
Nivel de Descripción:
Unidad Documental Compuesta
Signatura Histórico:
PL CIVILES. PÉREZ ALONSO (F). LEGAJO 0531

[image: indicador de lista cerrada] ÁREA DE CONTENIDO Y ESTRUCTURA
Alcance y Contenido:
Restitución a Manuela, José y Tomás de Santelices, hijos de José de
Santelices, de los bienes de Plácida de Santelices, su hermana, fallcida en
edad pupilar, en virtud de las capitulaciones matrimoniales de sus padres.
Estado de Conservación:
Bueno

[image: indicador de lista cerrada] ÁREA DE CONDICIONES DE ACCESO Y
UTILIZACIÓN
Índices de Descripción:
Capitulación matrimonial
Herencia

[image: indicador de lista abierta] ÁREA DE NOTAS
Notas:
Pleito civil. Escribano Francisco A. Zamora Salamanca.

[image: indicador de lista cerrada] ÁREA DE CONTROL DE LA DESCRIPCIÓN
Fecha de la Descripción:
2003-03-15

[image: indicador de lista cerrada] SOPORTE Y VOLUMEN
4 Piezas con Tamaño: Otros

Texto de búsqueda Tomas santelices , del Archivo Archivo de la Real
Chancillería de Valladolid , dentro de la unidad Real Audiencia y
Chancillería de Valladolid

*RESUMEN:*
Título de la unidad: "Pleito de José y Tomás de Santélices Guerra, vecinos
de Santander (Cantabria)"
Archivo: Archivo de la Real Chancillería de Valladolid
Signatura: SALA DE HIJOSDALGO,CAJA 1299,24

Imprimir

[image: indicador de lista abierta] ÁREA DE IDENTIFICACIÓN
Código de Referencia:
ES.47186.ARCHV/1.1.5.3//SALA DE HIJOSDALGO,CAJA 1299,24
Titulo Nombre atribuido:
Pleito de José y Tomás de Santélices Guerra, vecinos de Santander
(Cantabria)
Fecha Creación:
1772
Nivel de Descripción:
Unidad Documental Compuesta

[image: indicador de lista cerrada] ÁREA DE CONTENIDO Y ESTRUCTURA
Estado de Conservación:
Bueno

[image: indicador de lista cerrada] ÁREA DE CONDICIONES DE ACCESO Y
UTILIZACIÓN
Índices de Descripción:
Hidalguía

[image: indicador de lista abierta] ÁREA DE NOTAS
Notas:
Pleito de hidalguía.

[image: indicador de lista cerrada] ÁREA DE CONTROL DE LA DESCRIPCIÓN
Fecha de la Descripción:
2003-03-26

[image: indicador de lista cerrada] SOPORTE Y VOLUMEN
1 Piezas con Tamaño: Otros

This might be information on your Francisco Santelices Good luck!
Saludos desde Lago Salado,
Eduardo H Seoane

Name: Jose Maria De Jesus Fransisco Santeliz Rubio
Gender: Male
Christening date: 08 Feb 1842
Christening place: SANTIAGO, QUERETARO, QUERETARO, MEXICO
Residence: Queretaro, Queretaro, Mexico
Birth date:
Birthplace:
Death date:
Name note:
Race or color (expanded):
Father's name: Jose Maria Santeliz
Father's birthplace:
Father's age:
Mother's name: Agustina Rubio
Mother's birthplace:
Mother's age:
Paternal grandfather's name:
Paternal grandmother's name:
Maternal grandfather's name:
Maternal grandmother's name:
Batch number: C64174-3
Date range: 1840 - 1847
Record group: Mexico-VR
Film number: 247929
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

and these two might be a sisters?

Groom's name: Trinidad Santelices
Groom's birth date: 1833
Groom's birthplace:
Groom's age in years: 25
Bride's name: Concepcion Chinchon
Bride's birth date: 1833
Bride's birthplace:
Bride's age in years: 25
Marriage date: 07 Oct 1858
Residence: Querétaro, Querétaro, Mexico
Marriage place: Santa Ana, Querétaro, Querétaro, Mexico
Groom's father's name: Jose Maria Santelices
Groom's mother's name: Agustina Rubio
Father of bride's name: Francisco Chinchon
Mother of bride's name: Manuela Camacho
Groom's race or color (expanded):
Marital status:
Groom's previous wife's name:
Bride's race or color (expanded):
Bride's marital status:
Bride's previous husband's name:
Batch number: M01982-6
Date range:
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 248555
Collection: Mexico Marriages 1700-1900
Name: Maria Del Pueblito Tranquilina Santelices Ruiz
Gender: Female
Christening date: 06 Jul 1839
Christening place: SANTIAGO, QUERETARO, QUERETARO, MEXICO
Residence: Queretaro, Queretaro, Mexico
Birth date: 05 Jul 1839
Birthplace:
Death date:
Name note:
Race or color (expanded):
Father's name: Jose Maria Santelices
Father's birthplace:
Father's age:
Mother's name: Agustina Ruiz
Mother's birthplace:
Mother's age:
Paternal grandfather's name:
Paternal grandmother's name:
Maternal grandfather's name:
Maternal grandmother's name:
Batch number: C64174-2
Date range: 1830 - 1840
Record group: Mexico-VR
Film number: 247928
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900