Hey steven: This sounds really interesting. I have many relatives or almost every single one of them who
married a cousin. Any many could help me extend my own genealogy. I noticed in the dispensa
films theres like 700 and although Luz Montejano Hilton;s book is a wealth of info, it doesnt not include
all the dispensas. Im looking for a dispensa from 1772, theres 7 films with that year. Im so tempted
to order all 700, If I was rich! Ive always dreamed of Ranchos to take this project own. Like Guillermo
Tovar says we are a team an equipo and must work together! These dispensas would be help
to all genealogist! How long are the films? I might order one just for the heck of it to check it out.
Thats crazy how yours is 40 pages long, are all like these for espanoles? Id probably just copy
the tree down and make a copY! thanks

Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: PacoHernandez73@msn.com
> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:31:31 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tercero con cuarto grado de consanguinidad
>
> Just like everyone has already mentioned this just means that the bride and groom were related. One was a great-great-grandchild and the other was a great-grandchild of the tronco. Plus there is the "grado de afinidad". Here are the notes I have for exactly one of those...
>
> My ancestor Ignacio Hernández and his second wife, María del Carmen Velásquez (who was not my ancestor...his third wife Francisca Guzmán was) were married on Monday, 16 Apr 1810, in the Parroquia Santa María de Guadalupe, Arandas, Jalisco, México. They required a dispensation for a "parentesco de consanguinidad en cuarto con tercer grado de Afinidad"...
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> This dispensation was the missing link that helped me connect this branch of the Hernández Gamiño family to the main tronco. The dispensa is 40 pages long and is found in the Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara, Jalisco, México, Microfilm # 0168154, for the town of Arandas, written between 27 Nov 1809 and 28 Mar 1810. In it Ignacio Hernández states: "dixo llamarse José Ygnacio Hernández español de este Partido en el Carrisal, hijo lexítimo de Don Juan de Dios Hernández Gamiño y de Doña María Rosalía del mismo Apellido, Viudo de Doña María Lugarda Hernández Gamiño sepultada en esta Parroquia hace nueve meses y días, de treinta años de edad. . . ." He is marrying María del Carmen Velásquez who states: "dixo llamarse María del Carmen Velásquez española de este Partido en el Rincón de los Ocotes, hija lexítima de Don José Gabriel Velásquez y de Doña María Guadalupe Aguirre, Difunta, que es de veinte y tres años cumplidos de edad, Viuda de Don Francisc
> o Hernández Gamiño sepultado en esta Parroquia hace un año y ocho meses. . . ." The reason they needed a dispensaton to marry was because they had "tres parentescos de afinidad por copula lícita", because Ignacio Hernández and Francisco Hernández, María del Carmen's deceased husband, were related by blood. The summary of their relationships are as follows:
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> Tronco
> Cristóbal Hernández Gamiño [& María de Velasco]
> Hijos . . . . . . . . . . Domingo Hernández y José Hernández . . . . . . . . . 1º Grado
> Nietos . . . . . . . Domingo Hernández . y Cristóbal Hernández . . . . . . 2º Grado
> Bisnietos . . . . . . . Rosalía Hernández y Francisco Hernández . . . . . . . 3º Grado
> Ternietos . . . . . Ygnacio Hernández . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4º Grado
>
> Tronco
> Cristóbal Hernández Gamiño [& María de Velasco]
> Hijos . . . . . . . . . . Miguel Hernández y José Hernández . . . . . . . . 1º Grado
> Nietos . . . . . . . Juan Hernández . y Cristóbal Hernández . . . . . . . . 2º Grado
> Bisnietos . . . . Juan de Dios Hernández y Francisco Hernández . . . . 3º Grado
> Ternietos . . . . . Ygnacio Hernández . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4º Grado
>
> Tronco
> Salvador (sic, Juan) Valdivia [& Petrona Gutiérrez de Hermosillo]
> Hijos . . . . . . . . . . . María Valdivia y Mariana Valdivia . . . . . . . . . 1º Grado
> Nietos . . . . . . . Domingo Hernández y Cristóbal Hernández . . . . . . 2º Grado
> Bisnietos . . . . . . Rosalía Hernández y Francisco Hernández . . . . . . 3º Grado
> Ternietos . . . . . Ygnacio Hernández . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4º Grado
>
> Thus the father of Juan de Dios Hernández was Juan Hernández Gamiño (married to Nicolasa Efigenia Vásquez de Lara in 1725) and the father of Rosalía Hernández was Domingo Hernández Gamiño (married to María Josepha Navarro Gaytán y Orozco on 22 May 1735, in Ayo el Chico).
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>
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> Steven Francisco Hernández López

Do you have films for dispensas at your FHC?

Daniel Mendez de Camino y Garcia de Leon

> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:01:07 -0400
> From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Consanguidad
>
> I believe "tercero con cuatro" means that the male was 3 generations from
> the shared ancestor and the female was 4 generations, so the shared ancestor
> was his ggpt and her 2ggpt. I don't know whether
> Aguascalientes dispensations were still sent to Guadalajara by 1772. I can
> look it up for you if you send the the names involved. -Raquel
>