Yes! They are the same, Perez de Camino and Camino, apprarently the history of the family is
very interesting. I can send the stuff I have on them. But we come from Manuel Silvestre Perez
de Camino who married into the House of Altamira. These early Caminos didnt really have a
"home", per se they did live in Mexico City in the 1700s but they had haciendas everywhere.
Their estates ranged from Queretaro, Mexico, Puebla, Jalisco, Guanajuato, Zacatecas,
Chihuahua, Nuevo Leon. Several books, articles and reports have been published on
don Manuel Silvestre, its funny Manuel is totally a family name that repeats almost every generation.
Im surprised no one has really wrote an extensive book on the mayorazgo of the Caminos, I know
this topic always sparks the Rincon Gallardo and their massive estate but the Camino also had a huge one.
He was a caballero de la Orden de Santiago, Governor of la Nueva Vizcaya, Royal Tresurer of New Spain,
he did had a coat of arms and did have a "probanza de nobleza" I have copies of all this stuff that I can
send. We need to meet one day and just sit down there is so much info. I havent really tallied the number
of haciendas, estancias, puestos etc they owned I so far have reasearched the "big" 7 ones that includes
the El Maguey in Zacatecas, someone in the group asked about it. It was given to the Caminos by real decrato.
I have a copy of that too.

Yup, we did not own La Luz, but as you said we did start purchasing parcels of lands, I know my
great grandparents and his father Celso Camino,Manuel's brother bought some, and also my great
grandma and her parents bought lots too. Her father Eugenio Camino de Soto, Celso and Manuel's
brother, (I am Camino twice, your like three
times I assume) worked in the mining operations and was a owner of something in Guadalajara,
he did strike plata and brought back some money, I assume this is how he bought the land in La Luz,
since it was around the same time. I am a descendant of the Diaz de Leon family, many of us on Ranchos
are, they were like many influential in Aguascalientes and Pinos, they eventually spilled into southern
Zacatecas and Jalisco. Thats funny you mentioned Tabasco, my Celso and Eugenio also had homes in
Tabasco, I wonder if it was a vacation home? Because otherwise why would they have all these homes?
my great grandma's parents had a house in Guadalajara, Tabasco and of course in La Luz.

Daniel Mendez de Camino

> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: dirtyworklandscape@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 11:18:24 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Perez del Camino
>
> Daniel
>
> Thanks for sending that Saldivar report. I will let you know what I find, once I get in touch with my aunt.
>
> As for Camino or Perez del Camino, how are these the same? Where/when did they drop the Perez part of del Camino if they are the same families?
>
> We know they didn't own La Hacienda de La Luz and surrounding Haciendas right? One of my aunts still have "escrituras" where it says the original owner of her home was (wich is one part of La Hacienda when they split it up) Manuel Escobedo. This was confirmed by the current owner(owns La Casa Grande part)
>
> If recall correctly, I think he said they sold it to "Diaz de Leon" family in the early 1900's. A few years back one of their descendants came down to see if he could purchase the whole Hacienda or at least "La Casa Grande"...obviously they refused.
>
> The family there now bought the whole Hacienda after the Diaz de Leon had to leave for almost nothing, but made sure their most important people had a place to stay. My Great Grandparents (Maternal/Paternal) Manuel Camino de Soto (Capataz/Carpenter)and Romulo Renteria Garcia (Capataz)were too loyal to them that they refused to accept any part of the Hacienda. In a way they got forced to accept because the Hacendado had to sell or give up the Hacienda, and basically told them to take advantage or the locals were. I'm assuming it was in The Revolution years. My great grandfather Manuel Camino de Soto already had a home in Tabasco, so he didn't care much if he stayed or not.
>
> Have you researched the Escobedo and the Diaz de Leon families and their ties to these Haciendas? I would love to be linked to Caminos that owned the 7 Haciendas don't get me wrong, but let's find that link so we can all benefit from bragging about it...LOL!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Victor Renteria