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This evening I posted the next file for the index of Aguascalientes matrimonial investigations for the period 1721-1730.

It is posted under Aguascalientes Matrimonial Investigations in the references section of NR at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18014

There are only 2 entries for 1721, and none for 1722; I suppose these records are lost.

The file is a searchable pdf, and includes information on more than 700 marriages, and is just over 100 pages. The file presents the data in chronological order. The reference citation (for example "Volume 1723: image 87") gives the year of the volume as indicated at Family Search, and the image number is of the first page of the investigation.

Some records were difficult to read. If I thought I could read the name, but was not certain, it is indicated as "Juan?". If I could not read the name at all, it is given as "-?-", there are not many of these, but there are a few.

Do not take the index as the definitive word, but look at the original documents. There is more information in the documents than I have indexed.

If anyone should find any errors, please let me know through NR, my user name is gpf13.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Lee Castillo
Thank you very much. They are quite helpful. Sometimes to show that the record isn't there.

I spent the last few days looking through the microfilm for the marriage of Francisco Luebana and Maria Ruiz de Esparza looking for their parents. I checked both your previous files for them but looked in the microfilm hoping that maybe the record was too hard to read. Did not find them. Using your new records I was able to confirm some other marriage records for that time period. Thank you!

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>Lee Castillo
>Thank you very much. They are quite helpful. Sometimes to show that the record isn't there.
>
>I spent the last few days looking through the microfilm for the marriage of Francisco Luebana and Maria Ruiz de Esparza looking for their parents. I checked both your previous files for them but looked in the microfilm hoping that maybe the record was too hard to read. Did not find them. Using your new records I was able to confirm some other marriage records for that time period. Thank you!

Lee,

The parents of Francisco Luevana and Maria Ruiz de Esparza (married 10 Aug 1705 in Aguascalientes) were Juan de Luevana Alvarado and María Delgado Tiscareño for Francisco, and Nicolas Ruiz de Esparza and Antonia de Huerta for Maria. Their marriage information can be checked online [Informacion Matrimonial, 1705 Image 96 of 180]. (Las informaciones matrimoniales mencionan dos impedimentos, uno de tercero con cuarto grado y el otro de cuarto, ambos de consanguinidad; y el acta de matrimonio dice que fueron dispensados en el tercer grado de consanguinidad para dos partes. Testigos al casamiento Phelipe de Esparza, Antonio González y otros muchos.)

BILL FIGUEROA

Lee Castillo

Bill, thank you! And that accounts why I didn't find them. I started 1704 through 1701 in both the marriage and marriage information records. I will read the entire record in a couple of days after my eyes rest and it was quite a trek. It looks like there were some earlier impediments which delayed the marriage.

Bill and Lee,
According to my records, the consanguinity between Francisco Luebano and Maria Ruiz Esparza can be explained as follows: Juan de Luebana III (Luevano) and Nicolas Ruiz Esparza, the respective parents of Francisco and Maria, were first-cousins, grandchildren of Juan de Luevano I and Maria Lopez de Elizalde (Lisardi). From Juan Luebano I and Maria Lopez de Elizalde came Juan Luevano II, who married Maria de Alvarado, the parents of Juan III, and Juana Lopez de Elizalde (Luevano) who married Jacinto Ruiz Esparza, the parents of Nicolas. Now, Nicolas Ruiz Esparza and Maria Delgado Tiscareño were cousins, because Jacinto Ruiz Esparza and Lorenza Ruiz Esparza (the grandmother of Maria Delgado Tiscareño) were siblings, the children of Lope Ruiz Esparza and Ana Francisca Gabai.

I hope I got it right.

Sincerely

Jaime Alvarado

Lee and Bill,
Just remember that by coincidence I came across the dispensa matrimonial de la Diocesis de Guadalajara for Francisco Luebana and Maria Ruiz Esparza:

It can be found in Guadalajara\Diocesis\Matrimonios 1700-1705, Imagen 040 francisco luebana & maria ruiz de esparza / aguascalientes.

Unfortunately, and similar to most dispensas from Aguascalientes, it does not give the names of the ancestors, but just the relationship between them, which although helpful, never as useful as if the names had been specified.

Jaime Alvarado

With the work that Claudia Reynoso is doing, there will be an index to the dispensation in the (hopefully!) not too distant future. That will make finding these documents much easier. The dispensations in the matrimonial investigations most often give the degree of relationship only, with the details being in the files in the Diocese.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Lee Castillo
Lucas Martinez de Sotomayor married Teresa (Lopez) Esparza Flores whose parents are Nicolas Ruiz de Esparza & Catalina de Flores.

I find information (see below) for Nicolas Lopes and Catalina Flores. I am not finding a marriage record.
My question is this Nicolas Ruiz de Esparza (Lopes de Elizalde) the son of Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza and Juana de Elizalde who was married first to Antonia de Huerta? If not who are the parents. Thank you.

I. NICOLAS ESPARZA & CATALINA FLORES
NICOLAS ESPARZA m. CATALINA FLORES b. 1646.
1) YSIDRO (LOPEZ) ESPARZA FLORES baptized 7-31-1685 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
2) THERESA (LOPEZ) ESPARZA FLORES b. 7-6-1687.
3) NICHOLAS (LOPEZ) ESPARZA FLORES baptized 4-6-1694 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico..
4) MARIA MANUELA (LOPEZ) ESPARZA FLORES baptized 8-11-1696 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
5) BRIGIDA (LOPEZ) ESPARZA FLORES baptized 7-2-1698 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
6) LEONOR (LOPEZ) ESPARZA FLORES baptized 9-18-1701 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.

Nicolas Ruiz de Esparza (c. abril 11 1652, Aguascalientes), son of Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza and Juana Lopez de Elizalde, married to Antonia de Escovar y Huerta. I do not have record of him marrying twice. Now, Jacinto's brother Salvador married to Maria de Vielma had a son Nicolas Ruiz de Esparza (c. October 28 1626). Also, their brother Pedro, who married to Juana Lozano, had a child name Nicolas Ruiz Esparza (c. July 2 1639). By the timeline you provide, this could be the one. I am sure the other members of NR will provide additional information on the two children that I mention to verify whether they could be the one you are looking for.

Sincerely

Jaime Alvarado

The marriage record of Nicolás Ruiz de Esparza and Antonia de Escobar y Huerta does not mention their parents—A nuisance in various periods because of the lack of record keeping. Based on what I have and have been able to piece out slowly over time, I find that Nicolás who married Antonia de Huerta is unlikely (unless there is another document out there to prove this; unfortunately I have not found one) son of Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza and Juana López de Elizalde. The major reason for this was because by the time the two kids came around Pedro Ruiz de Esparza b. 14 Aug 1671 and Esteban Ruiz de Esparza b. 14 Apr 1675 he was only 17 years of age; something very rare. I have not seen too many couples who married at seventeen, only a handful.
Second, if I recall correctly there is a will in the Archivo Histórico de Estado de Aguascalientes for Nicolás López de Elizalde y Ruiz de Esparza who married Catalina Flores who sometimes appears as Catalina Flores de la Cruz or Catalina de la Cruz, as son of Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza and Juana López de Elizalde. Nicolás used his mother’s surname for reasons unknown. Though his mother was María López de Elizalde she was in fact a “Luévano,” daughter of Juan de Luévano and María López de Elizalde.

Daniel Méndez-Camino

Daniel,

You have it all wrong. Nicolas Ruiz de Esparza, who married Antonia de Huerta, was indeed the son of Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza and Juana Lopez de Elizalde.
The proof is in his father's final will and testament dated 19 April 1679 which includes this paragraph "- Yten declaro que al tiempo y cuando case al dicho mi hijo nicolas de esparsa con antonia de guerta le di por cuenta de su legitima cuarenta bacas paridas y veinte yeguas." Jacinto died three months later on 27 July 1679.

Nicolas (second with that name) was baptized 24 Aug 1646 at the Parochial Church of Nuestra Señora de la Asunción de Aguascalientes. He married Antonia de Huerta 1 Oct 1669, so he was 23 years old when they were married, and almost 25 when his son Pedro Ruiz de Esparza was born. Where did you get that he was 17 years old? That does not make any sense.

How did you conclude that Nicolas Lopez de Elizalde (aka Nicolas Lopez) who married Catalina Flores, was the same person as Nicolas Ruiz de Esparza, (aka Nicolas de Esparza) who married Antonia de Huerta? You probably made that assumption because of the mother of Nicolas Ruiz de Esparza was Juana Lopez de Elizalde, but Nicolas never took the surname from his mother.

Nicolas Ruiz de Esparza remained married to Antonia de Huerta for 26 years, from 1 Oct 1669 thru 11 Feb 1696. Nicolas Lopez de Elizalde and Catalina Flores had several children during that period of time. Where in the world did you get the information that there is a final will of Nicolas Lopez de Elizalde where he mentions that his parents were Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza and Juana Lopez de Elizalde?

The information you provided is not only wrong but very misleading to members of Nuestros Ranchos, especially to new members. Please stick to the facts.

BILL FIGUEROA

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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nicolas Ruiz de Esparza

The marriage record of Nicolás Ruiz de Esparza and Antonia de Escobar y Huerta does not mention their parents—A nuisance in various periods because of the lack of record keeping. Based on what I have and have been able to piece out slowly over time, I find that Nicolás who married Antonia de Huerta is unlikely (unless there is another document out there to prove this; unfortunately I have not found one) son of Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza and Juana López de Elizalde. The major reason for this was because by the time the two kids came around Pedro Ruiz de Esparza b. 14 Aug 1671 and Esteban Ruiz de Esparza b. 14 Apr 1675 he was only 17 years of age; something very rare. I have not seen too many couples who married at seventeen, only a handful.
Second, if I recall correctly there is a will in the Archivo Histórico de Estado de Aguascalientes for Nicolás López de Elizalde y Ruiz de Esparza who married Catalina Flores who sometimes appears as Catalina Flores de la Cruz or Catalina de la Cruz, as son of Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza and Juana López de Elizalde. Nicolás used his mother’s surname for reasons unknown. Though his mother was María López de Elizalde she was in fact a “Luévano,” daughter of Juan de Luévano and María López de Elizalde.

Daniel Méndez-Camino

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