message #10 vol 74 issue 16: It is an article in the magazine called SHARR vol 4, 1998. Try ordering it thru USA interlibrary loan system; some journals are on microfische, others can zerox what you want.

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  1. Hernando de Haro hijo de Juan Miramontes -    Tlaltenango
      (claudiacasillas@gmail.com)
  2. Nueva Galicia Genealogical Conference (lbouett@yahoo.com)
  3. Info on Juan Montanez and Maria De Sotomayor??
      (aflore2855@gmail.com)
  4. Help Here??on Juan Montanez and Maria De    Sotomayor
      (aflore2855@gmail.com)
  5. Info on Juan Montanez and Maria De Sotomayor??
      (enrique_agraz94@hotmail.com)
  6. Info on Juan Montanez and Maria De Sotomayor??
      (aflore2855@gmail.com)
  7. HUIZAR y GUIZAR mismo apellido? (beutelsp@hotmail.com)
  8. Assistance with terminology (gpf13@aol.com)
  9. Re: Assistance with terminology (Erlinda Castanon-Long)
  10. Does anyone know where i can get this book???
      (aflore2855@gmail.com)
  11. Rangel's of Aguascalientes in the 1600's
      (ron_robinson3326@yahoo.com)
  12. Re: Assistance with terminology (David P. Delgado)
  13. Re: Assistance with terminology (Emilie Garcia)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 15:27:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: claudiacasillas@gmail.com
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hernando de Haro hijo de Juan Miramontes -
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Hi all--

I am looking for documentation on Jose Hernando de Haro, who was the son of Juan Miramontes.  Hernando was married to Francisca Flores de la Torre (hija de CAP Luis Flores de la Torre and unknoown female) sometime in the last quarter of 1600s.

If you have any sources for Hernando de Haro, please advise. Thanks!

Claudia
www.guadalajaradispensas.com

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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 15:37:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: lbouett@yahoo.com
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nueva Galicia Genealogical Conference
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Alicia,

I plan to be there (at the conference in Sacramento).  I'm looking forward to meeting some of the folks who will be attending, as well as (possibly) the speakers.

Sincerely,
Lawrence Bouett

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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:22:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: aflore2855@gmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Info on Juan Montanez and Maria De
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Salvador,

Hola salvador si me puedes dar ayuda en buscando los ancestros de Juan Montanez y De Maria De Sotomayor?

Hopefully this makes sense.

                  (Abram)............

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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:57:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: aflore2855@gmail.com
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help Here??on Juan Montanez and Maria De
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Correct me if im wrong Juan Montanez Married Maria De Sotomayor?Juan's father is Juan Montanez and his mother is Ana Bisente?He married twice and his first wife was Sebastiana Diaz.?

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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:46:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: enrique_agraz94@hotmail.com
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Hi Abram,

I wrote my message in Spanish because for me is easier and also because I know Armando understands it. Sorry about that, hope you have understanded it.
The info. I have is that Juan Monta?ez was native of Salamanca, Spain and yes he was the son of Juan Monta?ez and Ana Vicente. Firstly he married Sebastiana D?az Medel and secondly to Mar?a de Sotomayor. Mar?a was daughter of Andr?s de Mart?n Camacho and Mar?a de las Ruelas, who lived in Sierra de Pinos and were previously mentioned by Armando. My question to him was if Mar?a de las Ruelas was a relative to the Philippines' governor Guido de Lavezares, because I saw that information once.

Enrique

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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:05:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: aflore2855@gmail.com
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Salvador

Thanks 1 million times Salvador and Armando for all the help thank you thank you.Is Maria De Las Ruelas the same one as Maria De Sotomayor?Do you know where i can get that book on him you mentioned on the other thread?

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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 21:14:22 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] HUIZAR y GUIZAR mismo apellido?
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HUIZAR  y GUIZAR apellidos      (foro de discusi?n)  por: Dr. Moises B. Huizar  (16 de Marzo de 2012)        beutelsp@hotmail.com
En la escritura de datos genealogicos, encuentro que entre otros  errores que son  cometidos al llenar los manuscritos en los libros originales, pues  muchas veces vienen incompletos como por ejemplo el nombre (s) de los protagonistas del suceso, o muchos errores  ortogr?ficos de los escribanos, pero que tambi?n  ocurren durante la transcripci?n.  Este puede ser el caso del  apellido HUIZAR, que algunas veces es escrito como GUIZAR. Cual es el apellido original? o ambos apellidos son originales. Observese en el  documento abajo lo antes explicado.
El apellido HUIZAR lo encontramos en preponderantemente en  localidades cercanas a  Colotlan, Jalisco en colindancia con  poblaciones de Zacatecas,  pero tambi?n existe en Colima, Nayarit y Durango, de aqu? se ha extendido a toda la rep. Mexicana e inclusive a Texas y California, USA.
El apellido GUIZAR  se encuentra  preponderantemente en el Edo. De Michoacan principalmente en el Mpio. De Cotija y en pueblos colindantes del Edo. De Jalisco.
Hemos localizado el apellido HUIZAR en Peru y en el Caribe por ejemplo:
Rafael Huizar oo  Ma. Leocadia Orionda        hijos
Joseph Huizar Orionda  (19 SEP 1780 San Juan Bautista, Pomabamba, Ancash, Peru) oo Ma. Luisa Mendez
Humberto Antonio Huizar Montalvo - International Genealogical Index / CX
Gender: Male Birth: 05 DEC 1918 Central Moron, , , Caribbean
Por otro lado los HUIZAR y los GUIZAR nos preguntamos por el origen europeo del apellido, algnos opinan que es Espanol , sin embargo, yo no he encontrado originalmente estos apellidos en Espana, pero si he  encontrado el apellido GUIZAR en Francia :
Antoine Guizar
France Births and Baptisms, 1546-1896    christening:    07 Nov 1728    , CAVANAC, AUDE, FRANCE

death:    23 Nov 1728
   
       
    parents:    Francois Guizar, Marie Dalmas
   
Un dato curioso es que tambi?n en Francia hay otro apellido GUIZARD, que seg?n la pronunciaci?n en Frances, la D es muda, por lo tanto es posible que tenga el  mismo origen.
Historical Records results for >Name: huizar, Batch Number: C602865, C 602869
Maria Tomasa De Los Reyes Huizar
Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950    christening:    06 Jan 1794    COLOTLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO

       
    parents:    Vicente Romualdo De Huizar, Maria Ysidora Del Refugio
   
Maria Teodora Huizar
Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950    christening:    16 Nov 1796    COLOTLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO

       
    parents:    Vicente Polonio Huizar, Maria Ysidora
   
Jose Pioquinto Huizar Ribera
Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950    christening:    10 May 1790    COLOTLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO

       
    parents:    Vicente Polonio Huizar, Maria Ysidora Ribera
   
Jose Valentin Huizar Ribera
Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950    christening:    04 Mar 1792    COLOTLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO

       
    parents:    Vicente Polonio Huizar, Maria Ribera
   
Jose Marcelo Leandro Guizar Rivera
Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950    christening:    27 Feb 1799    COLOTLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO

       
    parents:    Bicente Polonio Guizar, Maria Ysidora Rivera
   
Petra Paula Guizar Rivera
Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950    christening:    10 Jul 1803    COLOTLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO

       
    parents:    Apolonio Guizar, Ysidora Rivera
   
Gorge De Jesus Guizar Rivera
Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950    christening:    01 May 1801    COLOTLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO

       
    parents:    Vizente Polonio Guizar, Maria Ysidora Rivera
   
Silveria Huizar Vargas
Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950    christening:    26 Jun 1837    COLOTLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO

       
    parents:    Valentin Huizar Ribera, Apolonia Vargas
   

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Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:40:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: gpf13@aol.com
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Assistance with terminology
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I have seen several death records from Asientos in the mid 1790s with a clause similar to "se entierro menor en fabrica de quatro pesos seis reales".

Other records are annotated "limosna," which I assume means the person was poor, and was buried without a donation or payment to the Church.

When I try a computer translation of this clause (such as with google), the result makes no sense.

Is this amount a donation, or is this what it cost to be buried by the Church.

George Fulton

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Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:43:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
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something I have found in some older burial records is a time limit of 5 years. Does that simply mean they can bury another person in that grave after 5 years? I was told in Jerez, Zac that in the old days more than one person could be buried in the same grave. The older bones were put to the foot of the grave.? Did this happen anywhere else other than Jerez?
Linda in Everett

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I have seen several death records from Asientos in the mid 1790s with a clause similar to "se entierro menor en fabrica de quatro pesos seis reales".

Other records are annotated "limosna," which I assume means the person was poor, and was buried without a donation or payment to the Church.

When I try a computer translation of this clause (such as with google), the result makes no sense.

Is this amount a donation, or is this what it cost to be buried by the Church.

George Fulton