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I am curious if anyone has taken the DNA test to help with their genealogy search and what type of information it provided. I have hit a brick wall that seems as big as the Wall of China and kicking around the idea of trying DNA. Any info. would help!

I found a 109 marker match. The only way you are going to find out if there
is a match to your DNA is by getting a test yourself.

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:06 PM, wrote:

> I am curious if anyone has taken the DNA test to help with their genealogy
> search and what type of information it provided. I have hit a brick wall
> that seems as big as the Wall of China and kicking around the idea of
> trying DNA. Any info. would help!

My brother tested his YDNA for my genealogy research in 2005. My father was born in Tepatitlan and I've traced his family back to the early 1700's in Tepatitlan in the church records posted online at Familysearch.org. My father's YDNA Haplogroup is J2b1. I expect it will help confirm male members of his family. So far, I have not found any men with that Haplotype who trace their families back to Tepatitlan or have similar ancestry. Though I check with all the online databases I'm aware of, I have not found a match from anywhere -- yet. I believe that when more people test, I will find matches. Meanwhile, I continue with regular genealogy research. DNA can be used to confirm your paper research, but it will not do your research for you.

You can test your YDNA and to help confirm your paper research, which is the most basic test. You can also test with a FamilyFinder test and/or with a company like 23andMe and find out more about yourself. Both will help find matches. It's best to check the different companies and the type of tests they do and the results you can expect to get before jumping in. Many people have been disappointed because of their unrealistic expectations. When you know what you are looking for in a DNA test, you will know which one to choose. I've done several.

I didn't mention my mtDNA because my mother was born in the Dakota's of European ancestry. It is of no use for my research in Mexico. I have an accurate and long history of her family back to the first settlers in the United States and to Europe.

Linda Romero

Linda.....what are the origins of  J2b1, and whom did you use for the testing.
Thank you.

________________________________
From: Linda
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org; resco16@sbcglobal.net
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 6:40 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA Test

My brother tested his YDNA for my genealogy research in 2005.  My father was born in Tepatitlan and I've traced his family back to the early 1700's in Tepatitlan in the church records posted online at Familysearch.org.  My father's YDNA Haplogroup is J2b1.  I expect it will help confirm male members of his family.  So far, I have not found any men with that Haplotype who trace their families back to Tepatitlan or have similar ancestry.    Though I check with all the online databases I'm aware of, I have not found a match from anywhere -- yet.  I believe that when more people test, I will find matches.  Meanwhile, I continue with regular genealogy research.  DNA can be used to confirm your paper research, but it will not do your research for you.

You can test your YDNA and to help confirm your paper research, which is the most basic test.  You can also test with a FamilyFinder test and/or with a company like 23andMe and find out more about yourself. Both will help find matches.  It's best to check the different companies and the type of tests they do and the results you can expect to get before jumping in.  Many people have been disappointed because of their unrealistic expectations.  When you know what you are looking for in a DNA test, you will know which one to choose.  I've done several.

I didn't mention my mtDNA because my mother was born in the Dakota's of European ancestry.  It is of no use for my research in Mexico.  I have an accurate and long history of her family back to the first settlers in the United States and to Europe.

Linda Romero

Linda.....what are the origins of  J2b1, and whom did you use for the testing.
Thank you.

________________________________
From: Linda
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org; resco16@sbcglobal.net
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 6:40 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA Test

My brother tested his YDNA for my genealogy research in 2005.  My father was born in Tepatitlan and I've traced his family back to the early 1700's in Tepatitlan in the church records posted online at Familysearch.org.  My father's YDNA Haplogroup is J2b1.  I expect it will help confirm male members of his family.  So far, I have not found any men with that Haplotype who trace their families back to Tepatitlan or have similar ancestry.    Though I check with all the online databases I'm aware of, I have not found a match from anywhere -- yet.  I believe that when more people test, I will find matches.  Meanwhile, I continue with regular genealogy research.  DNA can be used to confirm your paper research, but it will not do your research for you.

You can test your YDNA and to help confirm your paper research, which is the most basic test.  You can also test with a FamilyFinder test and/or with a company like 23andMe and find out more about yourself. Both will help find matches.  It's best to check the different companies and the type of tests they do and the results you can expect to get before jumping in.  Many people have been disappointed because of their unrealistic expectations.  When you know what you are looking for in a DNA test, you will know which one to choose.  I've done several.

I didn't mention my mtDNA because my mother was born in the Dakota's of European ancestry.  It is of no use for my research in Mexico.  I have an accurate and long history of her family back to the first settlers in the United States and to Europe.

Linda Romero

I had my husband test his DNA though FamilyDNA, and he is haplogroup T1. His ancestors were from Jalisco for many generations going back as far as I can trace them, to the late 1600s. T1 is very rare we were told--mesopotamian. We have not found a match to anyone except to one man in Texas. I have had no response from him. I guess no males with ancestors in Jalisco in this group don't have that haplogroup.

I guess my mtDNA is of no use to Mexico (or is it?). I am haplogroup C, Native American Pre-Colombian, and my female line is Pueblo Indian (Piro/Manso/Tewa) all from New Mexico.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> From: romero89@earthlink.net
> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 08:40:21 -0500
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org; resco16@sbcglobal.net
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA Test
>
> My brother tested his YDNA for my genealogy research in 2005. My father was born in Tepatitlan and I've traced his family back to the early 1700's in Tepatitlan in the church records posted online at Familysearch.org. My father's YDNA Haplogroup is J2b1. I expect it will help confirm male members of his family. So far, I have not found any men with that Haplotype who trace their families back to Tepatitlan or have similar ancestry. Though I check with all the online databases I'm aware of, I have not found a match from anywhere -- yet. I believe that when more people test, I will find matches. Meanwhile, I continue with regular genealogy research. DNA can be used to confirm your paper research, but it will not do your research for you.
>
> You can test your YDNA and to help confirm your paper research, which is the most basic test. You can also test with a FamilyFinder test and/or with a company like 23andMe and find out more about yourself. Both will help find matches. It's best to check the different companies and the type of tests they do and the results you can expect to get before jumping in. Many people have been disappointed because of their unrealistic expectations. When you know what you are looking for in a DNA test, you will know which one to choose. I've done several.
>
> I didn't mention my mtDNA because my mother was born in the Dakota's of European ancestry. It is of no use for my research in Mexico. I have an accurate and long history of her family back to the first settlers in the United States and to Europe.
>
> Linda Romero

My Felgueres Y-DNA ancestral line is T1, the old K2. The original Felgueres, Domingo Antonio Felgueres, came to Mezquitic, Jalisco as Lieutenant Governor of that area in 1790. Domingo Antonio was born in Villaviciosa, Asturias and baptized in the Iglesia San Salvador de Fuentes.

There is another Nuestros Ranchos member (Rodriguez, I believe) who is T1 also.

Edward Serros

You can see the message at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21013

More specifically, I will re-post it again, see below.

DNA Test - Emilie
Submitted by Edward Serros on Thu, 2012-10-11 20:27.

My Felgueres Y-DNA ancestral line is T1, the old K2. The original Felgueres, Domingo Antonio Felgueres, came to Mezquitic, Jalisco as Lieutenant Governor of that area in 1790. Domingo Antonio was born in Villaviciosa, Asturias and baptized in the Iglesia San Salvador de Fuentes.

There is another Nuestros Ranchos member (Rodriguez, I believe) who is T1 also.

Edward Serros

Hi Emilie,

I am also T1 and so are the Alcalá de Mendoza families from Los Altos, at
least. I've found and contacted many people that are from our same group
from all around the world, from Colombia, Panamá, Brazil, Australia, South
Africa, Turkey, Spain, Italy, and some more.

May I ask what your husband's last name is? If you want we can share our
results and compare them.

Thanks,

Rick

Hello Rick,

Thanks for your response. My husband's surname is Garcia, which has led me to a brick wall.

The farthest back I have gotten on his line is his gggg-grandfather Joseph Cayetano Garcia (espanol) born May 211, 1738 in Santa Barbara, Aguascalientes, and his second wife Anacleta Calzada (yndia) born on July 12, 1772 in San Juan de Los Lagos. Their son Jose Maria Garcia (espanol), was born Dec 12, 1796 on the Mariquita Hacienda in Jalisco. He married Maria Gregoria Morones, who was born on May 23, 1792 in Encarnacion de Diaz. Jose Maria and Gregoria had a son Estanislado de Jesus Garcia, born in 1825 in Enc; he married Antonia Ornelas, born March 1834 in Enc. Their son Simon was born in Enc on Oct 28 1864. He married Marciana Cervantes who was born in Enc on Oct 20, 1869. Their son Primitivo Garcia was born on June 10, 1890 in Enc and he married Maria Hinojosa de Guterrez who was born on June 6, 1893 in Zacatecas. Their son Enrique is my husband's father and he was born Sept 16, 1909 in El Paso Texas.

Joeph Cayetano Garcia and Anacleta Calzada were married on Oct 5, 1791 in Encarnacion de Diaz, and their marriage record states that his father was a Nicolas Garcia married to Maria de San Juan (Belasco? Trillo?) Here is where I am stuck. There were so many Nicolas Garcia married to Maria San Juan that I followed a wrong lead and ended up with a couple in an indian village that were not his parents after all. It looks like the Maria Belasco Trillo could be his mother, but I can't find a records to prove that.

The only results FamilyDNA sent was that he is haplogroup T1 with a short explanation of what that indicated. When I got my mtDNA results, I got a list of 5-digit numbers with a letter at the end for "mutations". I don't see that under his kit number. Is that because his test was for a Y-12 test, and mine was for an mtDNA?

They did say he matched one person in Texas by the surname of Camacho whose ancestor was a Silva. I e-mailed that person for more info and got no answer.

It seems that the names are more Portuguese than Spanish?

Emilie

> From: rodriguezdefrias@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 01:23:07 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA Test - Emilie
>
> Hi Emilie,
>
> I am also T1 and so are the Alcalá de Mendoza families from Los Altos, at
> least. I've found and contacted many people that are from our same group
> from all around the world, from Colombia, Panamá, Brazil, Australia, South
> Africa, Turkey, Spain, Italy, and some more.
>
> May I ask what your husband's last name is? If you want we can share our
> results and compare them.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick
>

According to Eupedia T1 occurs in 2.5% of the population of Spain as well
as 2.5% of the population of Portugal.

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

Armando

On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Emilie Garcia
wrote:

>
> It seems that the names are more Portuguese than Spanish?
>
> Emilie
>
>

Hi Emilie,

I believe this is the Cayetano Garcia you're looking for:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NTV3-LBB

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Emilie
Garcia
Enviado el: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:20 PM
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA Test - Emilie

Hello Rick,

Thanks for your response. My husband's surname is Garcia, which has led me
to a brick wall.

The farthest back I have gotten on his line is his gggg-grandfather Joseph
Cayetano Garcia (espanol) born May 211, 1738 in Santa Barbara,
Aguascalientes, and his second wife Anacleta Calzada (yndia) born on July
12, 1772 in San Juan de Los Lagos. Their son Jose Maria Garcia (espanol),
was born Dec 12, 1796 on the Mariquita Hacienda in Jalisco. He married
Maria Gregoria Morones, who was born on May 23, 1792 in Encarnacion de Diaz.
Jose Maria and Gregoria had a son Estanislado de Jesus Garcia, born in 1825
in Enc; he married Antonia Ornelas, born March 1834 in Enc. Their son Simon
was born in Enc on Oct 28 1864. He married Marciana Cervantes who was born
in Enc on Oct 20, 1869. Their son Primitivo Garcia was born on June 10,
1890 in Enc and he married Maria Hinojosa de Guterrez who was born on June
6, 1893 in Zacatecas. Their son Enrique is my husband's father and he was
born Sept 16, 1909 in El Paso Texas.

Joeph Cayetano Garcia and Anacleta Calzada were married on Oct 5, 1791 in
Encarnacion de Diaz, and their marriage record states that his father was a
Nicolas Garcia married to Maria de San Juan (Belasco? Trillo?) Here is
where I am stuck. There were so many Nicolas Garcia married to Maria San
Juan that I followed a wrong lead and ended up with a couple in an indian
village that were not his parents after all. It looks like the Maria
Belasco Trillo could be his mother, but I can't find a records to prove
that.

The only results FamilyDNA sent was that he is haplogroup T1 with a short
explanation of what that indicated. When I got my mtDNA results, I got a
list of 5-digit numbers with a letter at the end for "mutations". I don't
see that under his kit number. Is that because his test was for a Y-12
test, and mine was for an mtDNA?

They did say he matched one person in Texas by the surname of Camacho whose
ancestor was a Silva. I e-mailed that person for more info and got no
answer.

It seems that the names are more Portuguese than Spanish?

Emilie

> From: rodriguezdefrias@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 01:23:07 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA Test - Emilie
>
> Hi Emilie,
>
> I am also T1 and so are the Alcalá de Mendoza families from Los Altos,
> at least. I've found and contacted many people that are from our same
> group from all around the world, from Colombia, Panamá, Brazil,
> Australia, South Africa, Turkey, Spain, Italy, and some more.
>
> May I ask what your husband's last name is? If you want we can share
> our results and compare them.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick
>

Yes, thank you, Rick,

So it is Pedro Cayetano and not Joseph Cayetano. I had found a Joseph Garcia also born in 1738 whose parents were Nicolas Garzia and Maria Quiteria, but they were "indio" from "Puruano" and I didn't that that was the right one since everybody else was "espanol".

Emilie

> From: rodriguezdefrias@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 17:03:33 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA Test - Emilie
>
> Hi Emilie,
>
> I believe this is the Cayetano Garcia you're looking for:
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NTV3-LBB
>
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Emilie
> Garcia
> Enviado el: Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:20 PM
> Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA Test - Emilie
>
>
> Hello Rick,
>
> Thanks for your response. My husband's surname is Garcia, which has led me
> to a brick wall.
>
> The farthest back I have gotten on his line is his gggg-grandfather Joseph
> Cayetano Garcia (espanol) born May 211, 1738 in Santa Barbara,
> Aguascalientes, and his second wife Anacleta Calzada (yndia) born on July
> 12, 1772 in San Juan de Los Lagos. Their son Jose Maria Garcia (espanol),
> was born Dec 12, 1796 on the Mariquita Hacienda in Jalisco. He married
> Maria Gregoria Morones, who was born on May 23, 1792 in Encarnacion de Diaz.
> Jose Maria and Gregoria had a son Estanislado de Jesus Garcia, born in 1825
> in Enc; he married Antonia Ornelas, born March 1834 in Enc. Their son Simon
> was born in Enc on Oct 28 1864. He married Marciana Cervantes who was born
> in Enc on Oct 20, 1869. Their son Primitivo Garcia was born on June 10,
> 1890 in Enc and he married Maria Hinojosa de Guterrez who was born on June
> 6, 1893 in Zacatecas. Their son Enrique is my husband's father and he was
> born Sept 16, 1909 in El Paso Texas.
>
> Joeph Cayetano Garcia and Anacleta Calzada were married on Oct 5, 1791 in
> Encarnacion de Diaz, and their marriage record states that his father was a
> Nicolas Garcia married to Maria de San Juan (Belasco? Trillo?) Here is
> where I am stuck. There were so many Nicolas Garcia married to Maria San
> Juan that I followed a wrong lead and ended up with a couple in an indian
> village that were not his parents after all. It looks like the Maria
> Belasco Trillo could be his mother, but I can't find a records to prove
> that.
>
> The only results FamilyDNA sent was that he is haplogroup T1 with a short
> explanation of what that indicated. When I got my mtDNA results, I got a
> list of 5-digit numbers with a letter at the end for "mutations". I don't
> see that under his kit number. Is that because his test was for a Y-12
> test, and mine was for an mtDNA?
>
> They did say he matched one person in Texas by the surname of Camacho whose
> ancestor was a Silva. I e-mailed that person for more info and got no
> answer.
>
> It seems that the names are more Portuguese than Spanish?
>
> Emilie
>
>
>
> > From: rodriguezdefrias@gmail.com
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 01:23:07 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA Test - Emilie
> >
> > Hi Emilie,
> >
> > I am also T1 and so are the Alcalá de Mendoza families from Los Altos,
> > at least. I've found and contacted many people that are from our same
> > group from all around the world, from Colombia, Panamá, Brazil,
> > Australia, South Africa, Turkey, Spain, Italy, and some more.
> >
> > May I ask what your husband's last name is? If you want we can share
> > our results and compare them.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rick
> >
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Thanks Ed,

I will tell my husband. He will be pleased to know there are other T1s from Jalisco.

Emilie

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: ed@serros.net
> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 21:46:30 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA Test - Emilie
>
> You can see the message at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21013
>
>
>
> More specifically, I will re-post it again, see below.
>
>
> DNA Test - Emilie
> Submitted by Edward Serros on Thu, 2012-10-11 20:27.
>
>
>
> My Felgueres Y-DNA ancestral line is T1, the old K2. The original Felgueres, Domingo Antonio Felgueres, came to Mezquitic, Jalisco as Lieutenant Governor of that area in 1790. Domingo Antonio was born in Villaviciosa, Asturias and baptized in the Iglesia San Salvador de Fuentes.
>
> There is another Nuestros Ranchos member (Rodriguez, I believe) who is T1 also.
>
> Edward Serros
>
>
>
>

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