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Hace tiempo llevo investigando a Lucas de Contreras, nacido alrededor de 1665, quien contrajo matrimonio con Juana Macías Valadez, originaria de Teocaltiche e hija de Diego Macías Valadez y Tomasa Fragoso de Chávez.

Todos los hijos de esta pareja nacieron en Nochistlán. Sin embargo no he podido localizar el origen de Lucas de Contreras. Sé que tuvo una hermana llamada Josefa de Contreras, casada con Diego Macías Valadez, hermano de la ya citada Juana Macías.

No se sabe si Lucas era originario de Teocaltiche al igual que su esposa, o de Nochistlán donde nacieron sus hijos y murió éste, o de plano de otro lado. En Nochistlán hay solo un par de Contreras en la época. El único casado más o menos en esas fechas fue un José de Contreras, quien era hijo de Diego de Contreras y de Francisca Sánchez Montes de Oca, originarios de Aguascalientes, y éste a su vez de Juan de Contreras y Mariana Ruiz de Aldana.

Sé que el multinombrado libro de Genealogías de Nochistlán hace varias menciones de Lucas de Contreras, pero no he podido revisarlo para ver qué dice exactamente.

Agradezco de antemano cualquier información.

Saludos!

Hello,
I must say that I have no documental proof to confirm Juana Maria Macias's parents but I came to that conclusion based on some facts:

There are no Macias Valadez in Nochistlan around 1670, which makes me thing Juana was native of other town. My best guess is Teocaltiche, where there were plenty of them.

Her son Bernardo de Contreras married in Teocaltiche.

Tomasa de Chavez was the godmother to Lucas and Juana's daughter Rosa Maria on Sep 14 1706.

Tomasa's son Diego Macias married Josefa de Contreras, a sister of Lucas. The couple lived and died in Nochistlan, as well as Lucas and Juana (siblings married to siblings?)

Lucas and Juana's son Diego de Contreras named after his grandfather Diego Macias?

Lucas and Juana's daughter Rosa de Contreras named after Juana's sister Rosa Macias?

I know these is not proven but I am pretty sure we are on te right track.

Hi Raquel, Juana using Gonzalez is the one thing doesnt fit in this theory. However, in my research I have found a thousand of reasons a person could use another surname. Probably it came from the Macias Valades line, as I do not know who Diego Macias' parents were.
Have you looked into Jose Luis Vazquez book? I havent been able to find the book and I am sure it will be of huge help to my research.

PS I apologize for my English, I havent had the chance to practice it often.

Alejandro

I am unfamiliar with the author you mentioned. What is the name of the book? I am still confused about the parentage of Lucas Contreras. I can't locate anything that connects him to Nicolas Perez de Contreras and Maria de Lomelin y Benavides. From what I can locate, their children were Geronimo, Juana, Nicolasa, Nicolas, Pedro y Micaela. No Lucas nor Josefa. How do you know Josefa and Lucas are siblings

Your English is great. Much better than my Spanish.

Raquel

I am unfamiliar with the author you mentioned. What is the name of the book? I am still confused about the parentage of Lucas Contreras. I can't locate anything that connects him to Nicolas Perez de Contreras and Maria de Lomelin y Benavides. From what I can locate, their children were Geronimo, Juana, Nicolasa, Nicolas, Pedro y Micaela. No Lucas nor Josefa. How do you know Josefa and Lucas are siblings?

Your English is great. Much better than my Spanish.

Raquel

Raquel,

The book is Genealogia de Nochistlan by Jose Luis Vázquez y Rodríguez de Frías. I know that Lucas de Contreras is listed in the book several times, but I haven't seen it yet.

Now I am not very sure our Lucas was related to Nicolas de Contreras. But if they were related, he was likely his grandson and not his son, as Lucas was born around 1674. I didn't have Geronimo, Nicolas and Pedro as Nicolas Perez de Contreras' sons. Do you have their baptismal dates? One of them could be Lucas' father.

Lucas de Contreras died on March 15 1708, leaving a last will and the order to pay for "doscientas misas pagadas". I bet that document would solve the mistery of his parentage, if it still exists.

By the way, I am his descendant by his son Santiago de Contreras, married to Francisca Becerra.

Alejadnro

I'm sorry I didn't recognize the author--I own the book, however, right now I've lent it to a primo. Unfortunately, it does not help us. Two of the references for Lucas Contreras concern when he was the padrino, and the third concerns a debt someone owed him.

I could not locate Lucas's death record. Did he die in Nochistlan?

I have added your Santiago--I did not have him. I am assuming he and Diego, baptized 28 Feb 1697, are different sons. Do you have a baptismal date for him?

Pedro Contreras is listed on pg 409, Tomo V, Vol 2 of Retonos. Only his birth year is mentioned-1655. He married Juana Estrada de la Mora. Geronimo's birth year is listed as 1644 and Nicloas as 1650. I found them online, with no further info.
Raquel

Prima

Here you have Lucas's death record (with its original grammar):

LUCAS CONTRERAS. ESPAÑOL CASADO.

En el puo. de Nochistlan en quince de marso de setesientos y ocho as. di sepultura eclesiastica a LUCAS CONTRERAS, español y vesino que fue de este partido y marido que fue de Doña Juana Masias, y murio de tavardillo y resivio todos los sacramentos, penitencia, eucaristia y estrema unsion, y en su testamento...con misa de cuerpo presente y dejo poder para testar...se le digan dosientas misas resadas y para que conste lo firme.

I don't have a baptismal record for Santiago Contreras. I got his parents' name on his marriage record to Francisca Becerra on Feb 29 1740 in Nochistlan. They had at least two daughters, Ana Maria and Maria Gertrudis.

Once you get your book back, may I give you a couple of names to look into it? Living in Monterrey it's impossible to get it from a US public library and no one out here seems to have it.

Best Regards
Alejandro

Primo,
Thank you for death record.

I am in the same position with Bernardo, a mg record but no baptismal.

I'd be happy to look up some names for you. I will be getting it back in late December. You can send me the names anytime.

Raquel Ruiz

Me puede decir como usted sabe que los padres de Juana Macias Valadez eran Diego Macias Valadez y Tomasa Fragoso de Chavez? Yo descendo por el hijo, Bernardo Contreras y su esposa, Feliciana Alonzo de Ynojos.
Can you tell me how you know that Juana Macias Valadez's parents were Diego Macias Valadez and Tomasa Fragoso de Chavez? I descend from Bernardo Contreras and his wife, Felicana Alonzo de Ynojos.
Raquel Ruiz

Victor M Gomez

Hola

Lucas de Contreras es hijo del criollo nacido en la ciudad de Mexico hacia 1618 Nicolas Perez de Contreras y de Maria de Lomelin de Benavides, entre otros hijos son Geronimo, Nicolas, Nicolasa, Pedro y Micaela.

Victor,
I have never been able to find the ancestry of Lucas Contreras and Juana Macias Valades, my 7th ggpts. Could you tell me how you linked Lucas to Nicolas Perez de Contreras and Maria de Lomelin de Benavides?

Nunca he podido encontrar los antepasados de Lucas Contrera y Juana Macias. Me puede decir como conecto Lucas con Nicolas Perez de Contreras y Maria de Lomelin de Benavides?

Raquel Ruiz

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