There is book entitled "Haciendas of Mexico," published in 1886 that names the principal haciendas by state, along with the owner/proprietor, and the town where it is located.

The introduction is in English, and the rest of the book is just tables.

The book can be downloaded as a pdf from www.archive.org.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

There's a Jabonera in the municipio of San Juan de Los Lagos, population: 9

It's mapped here: http://www.microrregiones.gob.mx/catloc/contenido.aspx?refnac=140730282

This is a very handy website: http://www.microrregiones.gob.mx/catloc/Default.aspx

I posted this website earlier this year, which I prefer above all the other map search engines because this lists any and all populated areas in Mexico whether they are still populated or no longer active. I also like it because you search by name, rather than hunt around on a map. Maybe I'll make a separate post for it because it really is helpful.

This government site is excellent for looking up the locations of towns & ranchos including those *that may no longer exist*. You can find non-existent or very small, unmapped towns/ranchos by clicking first on the name of the state, then municipality, then on the name of the town/rancho you're looking for, and whether it's currently active or no longer inhabited, it will be listed and shown on a Google-type map including satellite imagery.

If you can't find a rancho in one municipality, remember local government lines have changed over the years from then to now, and while any town may have been in one municipality back when, it could be in a different one now, so look also in adjoining districts as well.

"Jabonera" can be a reference to what is made in the area, and in that area of Jalisco, I think soap is a concentrated industry. I think you find that all over Mexico, i.e., places called El Molino probably had a mill in the area/hacienda.

Sandra Velez

Luis Arturo Huerta Rodrìguez

Hi Alice!

There is another ranch named "La Jabonera" in Nochistlán, Zac. About 80km from San Juan. My mother was born there.

Now you say it, I realize I hadn't investigate what signifies the name, I live in México and for me it may signify soap store or soap factory more than soapdish.

Greetings!!

Hello Alice,

I do a lot of research for Lagos de Moreno which is where my family is
from. I don't remember ever seeing the hacienda La Jabonera mentioned in
records from Lagos de Moreno and it isn't in the books I have or PDF
documents I have. I don't see it as being in Lagos de Moreno on Google Maps
or PueblosAmerica http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/jalisco/lagos-de-moreno/
What did you use for the search in Google Maps? I have only seen La
Jabonera mentioned in the records for San Juan de Los Lagos and
PueblosAmerica
http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/jalisco/san-juan-de-los-lagos/

I have asked cousins and uncles that still live in Lagos where certain
ranches are but they aren't familiar with all of them, even though they
live there, which is why I had to use the books, PDFs, and PueblosAmerica
site.

Lagos de Moreno and San Juan de Los Lagos share a border and sometimes
people that lived in one city had land in the adjacent city. I do know that
my father, aunts, and uncles from Lagos de Moreno would visit haciendas in
San Juan de los Lagos. I went to one of them myself that is in San Juan de
los Lagos but owned by a family from Lagos de Moreno. I would also go to
another hacienda that I always thought was in Lagos de Moreno but is
actually in Unión de San Antonio according to the PDF documents which are
from the goverrnment. According to PueblosAmerica it is in Lagos de Moreno.
Either way I do remember very long drives to get to the hacienda. It was
owned by my aunt's husband and his brothers. Most of them live in Lagos and
León but some live or lived elsewhere such as Mexico D.F.

I uploaded the PDF files I have. They are searchable with CTRL+F and typing
Jabonera. Make sure you zoom to 100% or 150% on the ones that say Carta.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/a1i25ynt9vy5r6d/LAGOSDEMORENO_CARTA.pdf
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nmonfx41cya65ex/SANJUANDELOSLAGOS_CARTA.pdf
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vu3b1gw752jwwpl/Ranchos%2C%20small%20towns%20…

The Campos surname comes from some of the Martín del Campo family changing
the surname to Campos. I have Martin del Campo ancestors and two great
uncles married women with the Martin del Campo surname.

The number of people that confuse Lagos de Moreno and San Juan de los Lagos
is enormous. Most people are familiar with San Juan de Los Lagos because of
the virgin of San Juan.

Saludos,

Armando
On Aug 21, 2014 11:54 AM, "alice wissing" wrote:

> Some of the names of the ranches in Jalisco are rather interesting. My
> grandfather was identified as being from La Jabonera, San Juan de los Lagos
> when he married. I looked up the definition of La Jabonera and it means
> soapdish. I then saw on Google Maps that there was a La Jabonera in San
> Juan de Los Lagos, as well as Lagos de Moreno. This left me confused,
> because an aunt once told me our Campos family had land in Lagos de Moreno,
> yet christening/wedding records say La Jabonera, San Juan de Los Lagos. Did
> the people of Lagos de Moreno use the church in San Juan de Los Lagos?
> Also, does anybody know why a ranch would have a name like soapdish? I
> would love to figure out which is the right ranch and view it using Google
> Maps.
>
> Alice

There is another Jabonera near my parents hometown of El Bajio de San Jose, Jalisco which is in the municipio de Encarnacion de Diaz. My Dad told me that they used to make soap there and that is why it was named Jabonera.

Austin Perez

I have MA Delores Franco Campos who was baptized (1880) and married (1898) at San Juan Batista in San Juan de Los Lagos. I don't know if this is the same Campos family, or if it's of any help to you, but I do have siblings, parents, etc. all in San Juan de Los Lagos with some documents from the church records archived by Family Search.

You can contact me directly if you wish. Alejandro
AJB