i agree interesting information I KNOW esparza is of navarro descent.

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> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 16:55:34 -0700
> From: alice wissing
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> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Questions Re: Pares and Inquisition
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> I have two questions. First, does anybody know if the Pasajeros a Indias
> information that appears in the Pares search engine is complete? I saw a
> reference to a person as appearing in the Pasajeros books, but when I
> looked him up on Pares, he wasn't there.
>
> Second, a friend gave me a list of surnames of people investigated by the
> Inquisition, and the surname Ruiz de Esparza is there. It occurred to me
> that the surname is there because of the "prueba" that was done on Lope
> Ruiz de Esparza in Aguascalientes (the one that mentions Petronila de
> Moctezuma as his wife's ancestor). Whoever put together that list must have
> a source for the Ruiz de Esparza surname occurring on it. I think it was
> prepared by John Schmal and was being circulated in the Genealogia de
> Mexico group (Google groups). Maybe this can help us track down the
> Limpieza de Sangre for Lope Ruiz de Esparza.
>
> Alice
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> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:08:45 -0700
> From: Jose Legaspi
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> I would suggest we organize this meeting at the time that might bring as
> many people as possible. Can you help with that. See my phone number below
> in the event we need to talk. Thank you.
>
> *Very sincerely yours,*
>
> *Jos? de Jes?s Legaspi*
> *(323) 728 8455 x212*
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>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:11 PM, pnettleship@lasenora.org <
> pnettleship@lasenora.org> wrote:
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> > One of La Senora Research Institute Academic Fellow is an expert on these
> > Codices. Dr. John Pohl is his name. When Mexico was celebrating its
> 150th
> > year John got the Museo to mount a major exhibition at the Getty. It was
> > phenomenal and John walked around our Patron Members Small Group Tour and
> > explained everything that was in the exhibit. But it was LACMA's exhibit
> > on Quatzequatel a few months later that most pertained to the Codices.
> > There are very, very few copies in existence....John was able to get the
> > Bodleian Library at Oxford to loan their copy because they said his
> > exhibit was the very first time the Codices had ever been displayed in
> the
> > context of what they meant.
> > If there's a serious interest in the Codices on the part of enough of
> you,
> > I could arrange for Dr. Pohl to come to LA and give a talk on this. Our
> > theater/auditorium seats 55 people. It would not be until Spring as La
> > Senora remains 'dark' during the winter months so that we have time to do
> > additional research. Right now we are hard at work on Jose Mojica re:
> both
> > his time in Santa Monica California and after he built his mother Villa
> > Santa Monica in San Miguel de Allende and founded the orphanage there.
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> > > Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 10:24:28 -0700
> > > From: Jose Legaspi
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> > > I am aware of them. I have a couple re-prints of them, including one
> for
> > > the Nueva Galicia. They shed tremendous info on the conquista as well
> as
> > > pre-hispanic history.
> > >
> > >
> > > *Very sincerely yours,*
> > >
> > > *Jos? de Jes?s Legaspi*
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> > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:06 PM, wrote:
> > >
> > > > Are any of you familiar with "codices of Mexico" They are very old
> > > > drawings from the time ancient times of Mexico and also colonial
> times.
> > > > There are so many of them as I am looking at them.
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> > > Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 10:24:28 -0700
> > > From: Jose Legaspi
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> > > I am aware of them. I have a couple re-prints of them, including one
> for
> > > the Nueva Galicia. They shed tremendous info on the conquista as well
> as
> > > pre-hispanic history.
> > >
> > >
> > > *Very sincerely yours,*
> > >
> > > *Jos? de Jes?s Legaspi*
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:06 PM, wrote:
> > >
> > > > Are any of you familiar with "codices of Mexico" They are very old
> > > > drawings from the time ancient times of Mexico and also colonial
> times.
> > > > There are so many of them as I am looking at them.
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> > > Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 10:48:12 -0700 (PDT)
> > > From: edgar_eemo@hotmail.com
> > > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petronila de Moctezuma
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> > > Edgar Olguin Diaz
> > > hola armando
> > > me haber confundido con los comentarios
> > >
> > > una pregunta puede ser confiable la informacion donde se mencionan los
> > > ascendencia de petronila de moctezuma? aunque no tengo la fuente de
> > dicha
> > > informacion?
> > >
> > > puedo hacer un anexo en mis archivos?
> > >
> > > tienes informacion de los padres de martin navarro gabay?
> > > y de diego arias de sotelo?
> > >
> > > en un comenctario se mencionaron los padres de martin pero yano los
> > > encontrer la publicacion y lo sde diego dicen es son su padres antonio
> > > sotelo y uzenda nu?ez
> > >
> > > esta informacion es correcta?
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:08:45 -0700
> From: Jose Legaspi
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> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] codices of Mexico
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> I would suggest we organize this meeting at the time that might bring as
> many people as possible. Can you help with that. See my phone number below
> in the event we need to talk. Thank you.
>
> *Very sincerely yours,*
>
> *Jos? de Jes?s Legaspi*
> *(323) 728 8455 x212*
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:11 PM, pnettleship@lasenora.org <
> pnettleship@lasenora.org> wrote:
>
> > One of La Senora Research Institute Academic Fellow is an expert on these
> > Codices. Dr. John Pohl is his name. When Mexico was celebrating its
> 150th
> > year John got the Museo to mount a major exhibition at the Getty. It was
> > phenomenal and John walked around our Patron Members Small Group Tour and
> > explained everything that was in the exhibit. But it was LACMA's exhibit
> > on Quatzequatel a few months later that most pertained to the Codices.
> > There are very, very few copies in existence....John was able to get the
> > Bodleian Library at Oxford to loan their copy because they said his
> > exhibit was the very first time the Codices had ever been displayed in
> the
> > context of what they meant.
> > If there's a serious interest in the Codices on the part of enough of
> you,
> > I could arrange for Dr. Pohl to come to LA and give a talk on this. Our
> > theater/auditorium seats 55 people. It would not be until Spring as La
> > Senora remains 'dark' during the winter months so that we have time to do
> > additional research. Right now we are hard at work on Jose Mojica re:
> both
> > his time in Santa Monica California and after he built his mother Villa
> > Santa Monica in San Miguel de Allende and founded the orphanage there.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 6:09 PM, <
> > research-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org>
> > wrote:
> >
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> > > 1. Re: Codices of Ancient and Colonial Mexico (Jose Legaspi)
> > > 2. Re: Codices of Ancient and Colonial Mexico (Jose Legaspi)
> > > 3. Re: Petronila de Moctezuma (edgar_eemo@hotmail.com)
> > >
> > >
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> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 10:24:28 -0700
> > > From: Jose Legaspi
> > > To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
> > > Cc: "research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org"
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Codices of Ancient and Colonial Mexico
> > > Message-ID:
> > > > > POgRrA@mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >
> > > I am aware of them. I have a couple re-prints of them, including one
> for
> > > the Nueva Galicia. They shed tremendous info on the conquista as well
> as
> > > pre-hispanic history.
> > >
> > >
> > > *Very sincerely yours,*
> > >
> > > *Jos? de Jes?s Legaspi*
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:06 PM, wrote:
> > >
> > > > Are any of you familiar with "codices of Mexico" They are very old
> > > > drawings from the time ancient times of Mexico and also colonial
> times.
> > > > There are so many of them as I am looking at them.
> > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
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> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 10:24:28 -0700
> > > From: Jose Legaspi
> > > To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
> > > Cc: "research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org"
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Codices of Ancient and Colonial Mexico
> > > Message-ID:
> > > > > POgRrA@mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >
> > > I am aware of them. I have a couple re-prints of them, including one
> for
> > > the Nueva Galicia. They shed tremendous info on the conquista as well
> as
> > > pre-hispanic history.
> > >
> > >
> > > *Very sincerely yours,*
> > >
> > > *Jos? de Jes?s Legaspi*
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:06 PM, wrote:
> > >
> > > > Are any of you familiar with "codices of Mexico" They are very old
> > > > drawings from the time ancient times of Mexico and also colonial
> times.
> > > > There are so many of them as I am looking at them.
> > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
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> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 10:48:12 -0700 (PDT)
> > > From: edgar_eemo@hotmail.com
> > > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petronila de Moctezuma
> > > Message-ID:
> > > > > &nid=22463&pid=28003&cid=28012&uid=8314&tid=
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> > >
> > >
> > > Edgar Olguin Diaz
> > > hola armando
> > > me haber confundido con los comentarios
> > >
> > > una pregunta puede ser confiable la informacion donde se mencionan los
> > > ascendencia de petronila de moctezuma? aunque no tengo la fuente de
> > dicha
> > > informacion?
> > >
> > > puedo hacer un anexo en mis archivos?
> > >
> > > tienes informacion de los padres de martin navarro gabay?
> > > y de diego arias de sotelo?
> > >
> > > en un comenctario se mencionaron los padres de martin pero yano los
> > > encontrer la publicacion y lo sde diego dicen es son su padres antonio
> > > sotelo y uzenda nu?ez
> > >
> > > esta informacion es correcta?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:24:13 -0700 (PDT)
> From: zacatecano020@hotmail.com
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> Pretty interesting about the Inquistion which were terrible times. I
> tried looking it up and now see that many people of Nuevo Leon, Mexico were
> originaly from Portugal that were expelled from Portugal during the
> persecution of Crypt Jews:
>
> http://www.geni.com/projects/Archive-of-the-Inquisition/12658
>
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